This sort of thing is why I dislike legislation that mandates the use of something very specific. Things change and it is better to create laws that don’t become outdated as fast as tech tends to.
What normally happens in most countries is the law would say something vague like “digital means or devices such as floppy disks or equivalent”.
Then the Executive makes and maintains the rules of application of that law according to the Hierarchy of Norms (things probably are organized differently in Common Law countries so I don’t know the English term but the principle is the same), which dictates in more detail how the law is to be applied (“please use a web form, or a USB keys for legacy processes”).
Sometimes the executive lags behind a bit but typically it’s just a ministry making decisions within the margin of the law, so it’s not too bad.
The law doesn’t even force USBC it just forces whatever the international standards working group recommends, if they change the recommendation it will change the port.
So we’re actually having our cake and eating it.
Also stuff like USB 5.0 specifications are designed to work on USBC port so again no actual upgrade will be required.
The EU regulation doesn’t say “USB-C”, but “industry standard charging port” or something. What’s industry standard is an executive decision of the EU commission, unless the USB-IF does something tremendously stupid the commission is just going to rubber-stamp any new standard they come up with.
The EU didn’t event want to legislate in the first place and would’ve preferred for manufacturers to get together and just be sensible, but, well, Apple. The only hold-out.
That’s not quite accurate. The EU doesn’t want anything, but the people involved in this decision absolutely wanted to regulate this. It’s been an issue for decades at this point.
It’s also not because of “well, Apple”. This law doesn’t apply to phones alone, it’s pretty much any mobile device.
It also, and this is one of the big and important parts, requires manufacturers to offer the option to NOT have chargers included. The goal here is to reduce the MASSIVE amount of e waste generated by tablets, phones, cameras, and even (especially in my mind, as these are often not compatible even amongst single manufacturers) laptop chargers. That’s an awesome part of the rule, even if it has a larger compliance window.
Lastly, while the law itself doesn’t require USB C, the legal annex absolutely and quite explicitly DOES state that manufacturers must use USB C. There is a provision that reports must be made every 5 years or so, and consideration will be made concerning the required standards (wireless is mentioned as not being able to effectively be regulated in this way as of yet).
This is a huge win in terms of the reduction in e waste, and the option to not receive a charger is, in my opinion, one of the best parts. I have way too many USB C cables that I can’t find a place to use them all, and I’ve got them in every room.
Nope. The members of the parliament and council want things. And unlike what the previous commenter said, the vast majority of them did want to regulate this, have wanted to regulate this, and desire regulation independent of Apple’s stubborn refusal to join the 2020s (and late 2010s truthfully).
This was my point. The EU isn’t an amorphous blob, and the individuals involved with this decision do and have wanted this.
That is kind of bordering on metaphysics. The will of the EU is what they agree upon. What they agree upon is decided by vote of its members.
Saying the EU doesn’t want something because technically it’s made of people is not saying much at all, imo. I could just as well claim that there is no free will at all, and we’d be stuck arguing it for 2000 years.
The EU doesn’t want anything, but the people involved in this decision absolutely wanted to regulate this.
I don’t know what kind of distinction you want to drive at, here. Yes, of course, EU regulations are passed by the parliament. The commission also wanted it in some form. Generally speaking there was no real stiff opposition as pretty much everyone in politics can get something out of it, Greens get their environmentalism, the rest of the parliament and the commission get positive publicity.
It’s also not because of “well, Apple”. This law doesn’t apply to phones alone, it’s pretty much any mobile device.
Apple was the one not switching their phones over, thus the EU (as in “it’s amorphous collective blob of decision-making”) came to see that they’d indeed needed to pass legislation, asking wasn’t enough.
It also, and this is one of the big and important parts, requires manufacturers to offer the option to NOT have chargers included.
Indeed.
Lastly, while the law itself doesn’t require USB C, the legal annex absolutely and quite explicitly DOES state that manufacturers must use USB C.
Yes that’s the starting point. It’s been a while since I looked at the text but the commission is empowered to update that part. That’s why it’s in an annex and not the legal text proper.
Luckily usb-c is probably gonna stick around for a while and it’s just a form factor. The standard itself has room to grow, and the EU left the rules open to change.
But I understand the concern, legislating tech sucks. On the other hand, when companies care almost exclusively about profit, not customers or the future of our planet, and won’t improve things themselves… not a lot of other options.
This sort of thing is why I dislike legislation that mandates the use of something very specific. Things change and it is better to create laws that don’t become outdated as fast as tech tends to.
It’s an argument of centralization vs. decentralization and there are pros and cons to each approach.
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That’s a Japan thing and a legislative failure.
What normally happens in most countries is the law would say something vague like “digital means or devices such as floppy disks or equivalent”.
Then the Executive makes and maintains the rules of application of that law according to the Hierarchy of Norms (things probably are organized differently in Common Law countries so I don’t know the English term but the principle is the same), which dictates in more detail how the law is to be applied (“please use a web form, or a USB keys for legacy processes”).
Sometimes the executive lags behind a bit but typically it’s just a ministry making decisions within the margin of the law, so it’s not too bad.
Without it we get a different iPhone charger every year that no other device is allowing to use
The law doesn’t even force USBC it just forces whatever the international standards working group recommends, if they change the recommendation it will change the port.
So we’re actually having our cake and eating it.
Also stuff like USB 5.0 specifications are designed to work on USBC port so again no actual upgrade will be required.
It’s just a brick with a USB socket. I still have 5W usb chargers from iPhones a decade ago that work with anything USB.
They didn’t change connectors on the cables frequently either. The old big one, lightning, and USB C are the only connectors iPhone used.
They also switched ten years ago saying it would be “the connector for the next decade” and now the newer phones are getting USB-C.
Anti-apple people are such pants-pissers.
So they held their word. A decade is ten years.
Exactly
Guess what the EU just did with USB-C?
The EU regulation doesn’t say “USB-C”, but “industry standard charging port” or something. What’s industry standard is an executive decision of the EU commission, unless the USB-IF does something tremendously stupid the commission is just going to rubber-stamp any new standard they come up with.
The EU didn’t event want to legislate in the first place and would’ve preferred for manufacturers to get together and just be sensible, but, well, Apple. The only hold-out.
That’s not quite accurate. The EU doesn’t want anything, but the people involved in this decision absolutely wanted to regulate this. It’s been an issue for decades at this point.
It’s also not because of “well, Apple”. This law doesn’t apply to phones alone, it’s pretty much any mobile device.
It also, and this is one of the big and important parts, requires manufacturers to offer the option to NOT have chargers included. The goal here is to reduce the MASSIVE amount of e waste generated by tablets, phones, cameras, and even (especially in my mind, as these are often not compatible even amongst single manufacturers) laptop chargers. That’s an awesome part of the rule, even if it has a larger compliance window.
Lastly, while the law itself doesn’t require USB C, the legal annex absolutely and quite explicitly DOES state that manufacturers must use USB C. There is a provision that reports must be made every 5 years or so, and consideration will be made concerning the required standards (wireless is mentioned as not being able to effectively be regulated in this way as of yet).
This is a huge win in terms of the reduction in e waste, and the option to not receive a charger is, in my opinion, one of the best parts. I have way too many USB C cables that I can’t find a place to use them all, and I’ve got them in every room.
The EU doesn’t want anything?
Nope. The members of the parliament and council want things. And unlike what the previous commenter said, the vast majority of them did want to regulate this, have wanted to regulate this, and desire regulation independent of Apple’s stubborn refusal to join the 2020s (and late 2010s truthfully).
This was my point. The EU isn’t an amorphous blob, and the individuals involved with this decision do and have wanted this.
That is kind of bordering on metaphysics. The will of the EU is what they agree upon. What they agree upon is decided by vote of its members.
Saying the EU doesn’t want something because technically it’s made of people is not saying much at all, imo. I could just as well claim that there is no free will at all, and we’d be stuck arguing it for 2000 years.
I don’t know what kind of distinction you want to drive at, here. Yes, of course, EU regulations are passed by the parliament. The commission also wanted it in some form. Generally speaking there was no real stiff opposition as pretty much everyone in politics can get something out of it, Greens get their environmentalism, the rest of the parliament and the commission get positive publicity.
Apple was the one not switching their phones over, thus the EU (as in “it’s amorphous collective blob of decision-making”) came to see that they’d indeed needed to pass legislation, asking wasn’t enough.
Indeed.
Yes that’s the starting point. It’s been a while since I looked at the text but the commission is empowered to update that part. That’s why it’s in an annex and not the legal text proper.
Luckily usb-c is probably gonna stick around for a while and it’s just a form factor. The standard itself has room to grow, and the EU left the rules open to change.
But I understand the concern, legislating tech sucks. On the other hand, when companies care almost exclusively about profit, not customers or the future of our planet, and won’t improve things themselves… not a lot of other options.
you’re incorrect. It doesn’t restricts itself to the USB-C
When needed, they can change it faster than Japan did.