District Judge Lewis Kaplan has said it multiple times: Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll in 1996. Kaplan wrote it in May 2023, when he presided over one of the trials against Trump. And he reminded jurors of the rape this week, during the latest proceedings in the multi-layered, winding rape and defamation cases brought against Trump by Carroll.

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    6 months ago

    Did she call him the rapist Donald J Trump? The same Donald Trump who raped E Jean Carroll? The woman who was raped by Donald Trump? The same rapist who also raped his wife? The same rapist Donald J Trump who described sexually assaulting woman on a radio show? The same rapist who spied on nude underage girls at his pageant? Because Donald Trump is a rapist as a matter of legal fact.

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      A rapist who is not only sickeningly still walking free, but is the frontrunner for the the Nazi party.

      I’d say that it’s a new low for the Nazi party, but we all know it’s not.

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    Fun fact: the UK defines rape as “penetration with his penis”, so, in the UK and legally speaking, a woman can’t rape a man.

    Instead, it would be sexual assault, which has the same sentencing range. However, we all know that female rape against males is not prosecuted as harshly, if at all.

    Not that women have better luck in court, mind. It’s all messed up, and it’s not like locking someone up actually stops them from doing it again as soon as they get out. Detention is not an effective deterrent - the most effective deterrent is the certainty of being caught. After that, rehabilitation is needed. But hey, private prisons need bums in cells.

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      Groovy, I grant your premise. Now lets discuss the fact that the president of the united states ONLY finger-fucked a complete stranger in a department store against her will. Youre fighting for the right to fish your own turd out of the toilet so you can smugly pocket it and claim victory. Pyrrhic victory indeed.

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        Youre fighting for the right

        Take your head out of your ass and stop looking for a fight. I’m not in any way supporting Trump nor any far right agenda.

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      Colloquially, we still call them rapists, even if the legal term is different. Similarly, we don’t call people common assaulted, even if that’s the legal term. They are attackers, etc.

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        “Colloquial rape”, unfortunately, doesn’t cut the mustard in a legal setting. This is, apparently, a particularly relevant subject when discussing rape law in NY.

        This also actually points to something I’ve used as a challenge for people who are hard lined right/vs/wrong:

        If someone robs a bank, but they aren’t caught, are they still a bank robber?

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          No, of course not. Legally it’s sexual assault. It still meets that criteria from all I’ve seen. We still call female perpetrators rapists, even though without a penis they don’t meet the criteria.

          You’re missing the point. Hes done something the judge considers rape. He’s a rapist. It also didn’t happen in the UK, so even with a penis it wouldn’t meet the criteria.

          However, if it had happened in the UK, he’d still face the same legal repurcussions and everyone would call him a rapist. Legally, though, h d be guilty of sexual assault rather than rape.

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            It also didn’t happen in the UK, so even with a penis it wouldn’t meet the criteria.

            No, it happened in NY, which happens to have a somewhat similar legal definition of rape requiring penetration with the penis - per the article.

            He was convicted in NY of sexual assault with his fingers, but the jury stopped short of a rape conviction involving his penis. If the same reasoning had been made in a UK court, then he would have had the same conviction.

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                Yes, a civil case in NY, in which a jury ruled that Trump had committed sexual assault.

                The fun part is that, while sexual assault is a crime and a court has ruled he did that, he’s still not actually convicted of the crime of sexual assault - we can say it’s more than 50% likely he did it, but we can’t quite say it’s more than 99%.

                It’s a bit like OJ Simpson, who got off on the criminal murder charge, but then lost the civil case for killing. Except in this case there was no criminal trial.

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        they gave him control over people’s lives, they deserve no better… he’s a rapist, and they chose to ignore it… fuck them…

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      Rape has a statute of limitations. Even if he came forward and said flat out that he raped her, he can’t be charged criminally for it. He can be charged civilly though, which is why he keeps claiming it never happened.

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    Is this the best our country can do? Two dinosaurs who act inappropriately around women and children?

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      I think you are (intentionally?) confusing the large gap and missing the nuance between raping, potentially even worse things as we’ve recently got more proof of, and acting goofy and awkward with greetings or whatever. Both can be described inappropriate, sure, but you have to realize there’s a long way between rape, pedophilia, and awkward greetings with kisses to forehead or whatever.

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        He assaulted Tara Reid and you call it a kiss on the forehead? Your blue hat must be full of mercury. You’re sick

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          I’m sick? Blue hat?

          At this point it’s clear you’re just intentionally being provocative and contrarian.

          If you had a specific case to point out, such as that one, you could have just done that, instead of whatever the fuck this is.

          I still don’t know the case you are referring to, which could have been a great moment to educate and inform others, instead you spent the opportunity attacking and calling me sick, for what? You boggle me. Makes no sense.

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    Trump and his lawyers have been really pissing off both the judge and the jury with how unseriously they’re treating the proceedings. They’re gonna take two hours (an absurdly short time for a jury) and write a check for $15mil, I bet.