• sugartits@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      When you’re defending beheading children as “legitimate resistance” when you should probably take a step back and take a long hard look at yourself.

      And no, before idiots come along and say dumb shit… That doesn’t mean I’m defending Israel’s actions either. It’s possible to dislike both situations.

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        If they had any proof of “Beheading children” they would have submitted to the International Court of Justice. but they didn’t, they haven’t even dared use that sentence. but here your are parroting your Zionist Hasbara Lies and defending a genocidal agenda that have been in the working for over a century

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The al-Aqsa Mosque has been a source of tension as it is located above the Temple Mount, a holy site for both Jews and Christians.

    While non-Muslims now have permission to attend their holy site via the Moors Gate, they are forbidden from praying there which has created increased tension.

    Palestinians, before October 7, had been permitted to enter Israel with proper documentation for work, medical treatments or for other reasons.

    When asked about the responses of regional and international powers to the war, 94% said they considered the United States position negatively, with 82% clarifying they thought it was bad.

    The same trend continued for other Western countries with 79%, 78%, and 75% of respondents viewed the positions of France, the UK, and Germany negatively.

    In a different survey response, 81% said that they did not believe the US was serious about establishing a Palestinian state and 77% of respondents named the US and Israel as the biggest threat to the security and stability of the region.


    The original article contains 666 words, the summary contains 168 words. Saved 75%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • mozz@mbin.grits.dev
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    To me, the crazy thing is that 33% of the Arab world doesn’t think it was legitimate resistance.

    The October 7th attack was clearly terrorism. But to have such a big percentage of the Arab world seem to agree with that, even in such an insanely one-sided situation as the ongoing occupation of Gaza, means:

    A lot of people want peace.

  • Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Nobody hates Palestinians more than other Arabs. This was never about them, it was always about hate for Israel.

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        Recall that it was the US who had to twist Egypt’s arm into accepting refugees. Black September was a thing, and it resulted in several Arab countries refusing to take Palestinian refugees.

        It’s important that we discuss this. Hamas and other extremist groups take advantage of the kindness that is offered to Palestinians, and they cause civil wars and assassinations. If I remember right, they murdered the king of Jordan.

        The Muslim extremists are a problem for everyone, and they make life much harder for Palestinians.

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          Handy for Israel to get to exterminate them within their own borders and everyone else is to blame because they won’t take them as refugees. Both those things are bad, but one is at least a bit worse.

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    You know polls are utterly unscientific tea-leaf reading right?

    57% sounds empirical and they even have cool little charts to go with it. Best case scenario it was: you got someone who doesn’t want to talk to you to talk to you for five minutes, or you set the stage for a talkative bastard to talkative bastard at you until you can break free. Neither are particularly good windows into their actual thoughts about Thing X but furthermore all the responses usually total like 0.000028% of the population.

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      You know polls are utterly unscientific tea-leaf reading right?

      Lmao

      Maths is unscientific now

      E: To any downvoters: you are stupid.

      Polling is just maths, and is very reliable so long as it’s done reasonably.

      By all means have reservations of this poll specifically, but to call polls in general or as a concept “unscientific tea leaf reading” is foolish. Disagreeing with that mathematical fact is exactly the same as disagreeing that 5 + 5 = 10.

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              When did I mention faked polls? You’re just making up shit now.

              You’re either a troll or stupid if you don’t think polling is mathematics.

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                Russia polled in villages that they captured that Ukrainians actually want to be annexed by Russia. Can’t argue with math right?

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                  Good strawman. I never said that polls can’t have a selection bias.

                  I said thinking polls in general or polls as a concept are tea leaf reading is stupid. Because it is. If you believe that, you’re a moron. You may as well say you disagree with the concept that 5 + 5 is 10.

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    Yes it was legitimate. Stupid too. Because of course Israel would respond in this over-the-top manner.

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      Their attacks on military bases were legitimate, but attacking civilian populations was not and should never be tolerated. Even if you want to say that the settlers are not civilians (at least it has some logic, unlike israel’s excuses), they killed indiscriminately, including tens of children.

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        I don’t think anyone is defending the actual killing of civilians. The idea is that the civilians who died (including by Israeli hands, by the way, can’t forget that), were incidental and had no basis in leadership orders. AFAIK the plan was go attack Israeli bases and soldiers, take hostages, return to the strip, but since Hamas isn’t exactly a properly trained modern army and Israel just shelled and shot their own citizens the numbers got this bad.

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      I mean it’s doing more damage to Israel than a century of peace could, so I don’t think “stupid” applies. Whether it was right to do it when the response would predictably be like this is another story, but due to October 7th support for Israel is now more controversial than ever before.

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      Hard to claim this when the Arab governments are anti Palestine. I personally learned about the conflict from reading Israeli authors and historians like Ilan Pappe, my government didn’t teach me shit.

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    There is a good saying that Palestinians are like a rag for the rest of the Arab world: when they need to clean their shoes with it, they use it and are happy that they have it and then they throw it away and forget about it.

    Unfortunately, this is not the case only with Arabs…

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      I don’t think you want to play the game of who can show who did worse things.

      It is Israel, 100%.

      Israel has killed 20 times that number and leveled whole families and neighborhoods slaughtering tons of innocent children.

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    8 months ago

    Considering how the Arab world at large never agreed with the terms of Israel’s conquest, this makes sense.

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      Pretty sure jews around the world never agree with the war that was brought to them the moment country was formed.

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          So was the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

          They’re not going anywhere, and the people who call for the abolition of those countries are nutcases and will always be accurately understood as nutcases.

          Pakistan and India were formed just like Israel was: according to international law and by partition.

          If the Palestinians want a state, they can have one: alongside Israel. Those are the terms. And until they accept that, they will suffer. Sucks for them.

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            Pakistan and India wasn’t the same. it was single nation split in two. the people in it is native. Israel is nonexistent before 1948 and the people were brought from outside. as south African kick out theirs oppressors, Palestinian will do the same. israel is no different than nazi, instead israel are worst.

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              the people in it is native.

              Some were, some weren’t. Depends how far back you want to go, which wave of mass migration you’re talking about.

              Israel is nonexistent before 1948 and the people were brought from outside

              Except, of course, that none of this is correct.

              First, there’s the ancient Kingdom of Judah. The Jews are the same people.

              Second, Jews maintained a continuous presence in the land of Israel-Palestine ever since then. They are, therefore, indigenous to the land.

              Third, the majority of Jewish Israelis are Mizrahis – Jews from Arab lands who’ve lived there since the Second Temple Period (516 BC - 70 AD), who were forced to flee from these neighbouring Muslim states due to violence, pogroms, repression and the theft of their property.

              We know from numerous scientific studies of Jewish and Palestinian DNA that they’re almost identical, and share a common root, most likely both being descendents of the ancient Canaanites. Here’s a very recent one. There’s almost no genetic difference with ‘European’ Ashkenazi Jews either, because they very rarely intermarried with other faith/ethnic groups. Here’s another from 2015 in Haaretz.

              Palestinians and Jews are basically cousins, genetically speaking, and both are indigenous to the land. Palestinians perceive it as an invasion, and that’s understandable despite not being true. To the Jews, they were returning from exile to their homeland only to find that there were squatters who’d let the place fall to ruin while they were gone, which is also understandable though not true.

              They’ll find a way to live together one day, but it’ll require both sides to accept the rights of the other.