“You don’t need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities, they’re on the same boards of directors, they’re in the same country clubs. They have like interests, they don’t need to call a meeting. They know what’s good for them.”
-George Carlin, from an episode of Politically Incorrect
https://youtu.be/VAFd4FdbJxs?si=BZOXSSkui3_FbyCd
There are powerful classes of people that oppress you, but not because they go to secret meetings where they plan to, power/capital simply tends to corrupt.
And from our perspective it feels coordinated because the capitalist’s punches all come from the same direction: downward from above.
The truth is, they’ve bled us dry and have begun to turn on and eat one another having conquered the board with little room left to grow/metastasize. That’s why entire economic sectors are turning into TimeWarnerHBODiscoveryParamountSoonEtc…
I think the ruling class “controls/exploits some things” and they are “in control” is the difference? Like yes they have bled us dry with their grip but as WikiLeaks, Epstein, Panama papers etc suggests, they weren’t really “in control”. Right now, there’s a decent chance that Pakistan falls to the Taliban and their nukes will be in their hands - is actually anyone “in control” of this situation?
Did anything meaningful come from those leaks? People can try to do stuff to powerful people to reveal their misdeeds, but they’ve written the laws and are barely bound by the reach of nations in the first place. Few receive consequences for their crimes.
As for existential threats like nuclear weapons, that’s it’s own can of worms. So yeah, I guess in that respect they’re not really in control. But short of nuclear annihilation or the eventual collapse of the human-suitable environment, they seem pretty untouchable.
EDIT: Actually, we even have a great example of the ways they can fly above some world spamming catastrophes: COVID 19 happened. Many died, many more lost their livelihoods, homes, etc. Meanwhile many of the rich got to take private transportation to private places so they could wait out the pandemic in safety while their companies’ profits increased and they used that increased wealth to buy up even more capital.
I’d seriously doubt any claims that there’s some cabal that deliberately caused it, but they sure do have the means to escape the worst of disasters and even exploit them for profit.
You can just say, “I don’t know.”
Oftentimes that’s the best answer.
Everything is made up and nothing matters. This comforta me most sometimes
“nothing matters” is the tool i use when it’s the weekend and i’m struggling to enjoy it because i’m busy worrying about my job come Monday. but then i walk anyone else through the logic and they tell me it’s depressing and that i shouldn’t tell anyone else what i just told them. so, cheers to the enlightened few 🥂
Everything is made up and
nothing mattersthe points don’t matter. This comforts me most sometimes
America stands for freedom, but if you think you’re free try walking into the deli and urinating on the cheese
- The Vandals, “Anarchy Burger”
I realize this is a joke/lyrics, but it’s interesting.
Actual freedom in this case might look like the deli owner whooping your ass before you get your zipper down. But we live in a state so the deli owner is not really allowed to defend themselves. So what happens depends in actuality depends on the various privilege levels of the deli owner and pisser. Is the deli owner a brown migrant and the pisser a white punk son of a CTO? Or is this a Subway and a black male pisser?
A privileged pisser learns no lessons within a state, they grow up to cause more bigger problems for more people. America is a state and that precludes freedom.
Anyone living with other people is less free than they would be alone, because their actions would only affect themselves. Nobody who lives somewhere that has a deli is totally and completely free, which is what the lyrics are poking fun at.
I guess it depends on definitions.
To me, what might be called “absolute freedom”, i.e. freedom from consequences isn’t a thing at all, no sense even talking about it. You can’t live alone, you are surrounded by microorganisms which will exact consequences on you if you feel you have the freedom to cut your own arm. You’re surrounded by animals that don’t think you have absolute freedom to kick them in the nuts. You don’t have the freedom to stop breathing.
Whether it’s a bacterium, a lion, or a “deli owner” doesn’t much matter.
Freedom as I see it is basically do whatever you want, but expect that others will too, and if you harm them, they might defend themselves and/or harm you back so it’s better not to. This basically equates to anarchism, and I don’t see why something one might call a “deli” couldn’t exist. It’s not the capitalist aspects that make a deli what it is, it’s the sandwiches, pickles, and environment.
The universe doesn’t care about us. It will continue regardless of our actions.
I find it both terrifying and comforting.
The only meaning is the meaning we forge for ourselves.
Source that Alan Moore actually said this?
It’s a direct quote from him, from the documentary “The Mindscapes of Alan Moore.” Slightly abridged, as he also mentions reptiloid conspiracies in the actual quote.
Thanks!
Well, the people who get their way the most are rich people (duh) and old people (because they vote more than young people)
Not really a conspiracy but still concerning.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29081831/
In the present contribution, we examine the link between societal crisis situations and belief in conspiracy theories. Contrary to common assumptions, belief in conspiracy theories has been prevalent throughout human history. We first illustrate historical incidents suggesting that societal crisis situations-defined as impactful and rapid societal change that calls established power structures, norms of conduct, or even the existence of specific people or groups into question-have stimulated belief in conspiracy theories. We then review the psychological literature to explain why this is the case. Evidence suggests that the aversive feelings that people experience when in crisis-fear, uncertainty, and the feeling of being out of control-stimulate a motivation to make sense of the situation, increasing the likelihood of perceiving conspiracies in social situations. We then explain that after being formed, conspiracy theories can become historical narratives that may spread through cultural transmission. We conclude that conspiracy theories originate particularly in crisis situations and may form the basis for how people subsequently remember and mentally represent a historical event.
Yeah I had a similar epiphany that I find to be simultaneously comforting on an individual level and unsettling at a macro level.
Nobody knows what they are doing.
dare i say, this man sounds a bit unmoored
I think that there are probably quite a large number of groups that are trying to control things.
The thing is, stochastic chaos and multiple groups working in concert, in the same general direction, and even at cross-purposes greatly affects their ability to create lasting change that matters (even if only for them).
As such, for any one issue that is “progressing”, there is likely one or more groups working successfully in that direction combined with other groups that are either inadvertently affecting the results, or succeeding or failing to oppose that direction to various degrees.
There are likely vanishingly few examples of a single group attempting to affect a significant issue unopposed.
Nobody is in control of the world but some very few people have a lot of influence over all of us.
Have you heard of synarchy? An actually secret society controls the world via so-called secret societies (the ones you’ve probably heard of), even those with seemingly contradictory goals. Of course they’re so secretive that you’ve never heard of them.
Just kidding I’m paraphrasing a conspiracy nut from Foucault’s Pendulum (good read, but very Noun heavy).___
Stuck in your confines, chewing it over…
Whatever I say is a lie,
Stop staringWe only have one rudder and it’s the capitalists at the helm.
The only direction that boat can go is “more profit!” even if the waters that leads us to are literally boiling. :/
there is no water, just people carrying other people… all the way on top are a couple few sitting on their machines sucking out the lives of those who are carrying them while throwing out trinkets in hope to direct the masses… or something… a nightmarish spike of steel and flesh, a spring fountain of value next to a smokestack of death, all the way down beneath the machinery: on all fours, crushed backs, hands desperately scratching up dirt to feed the machine in hopes for a smidgen of anything and the bottom of the machinery would be a boot…
