• aew360@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    What a fucking disaster. Netanyahu and Hamas have been quite the blight on mankind

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      8 months ago

      While Hamas is reprehensible and undoubtedly evil, the blood shed by Netanyahu and his policies would make the entire country of Qatar blush.

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    8 months ago

    Forgive my ignorance, but I was always wondering why is it such a faux pau to show support to Palestine? From how I understand it, and that may be wrong, hence the question, the regular Palestinian people are occupied not only by Israel on the outside, but also by a terrorist group, HAMAS, at home. Which is basically a dictatorship, thats not afraid to openly use terror tactics. It’s a lose-lose situation, and the only thing you can do is hope youre not going to be one of the 1/100 that dies to a random strike.

    When there are innocent people in a situation like that, the least we can do is show them some support.

    Or do majority of people in Palestine actually support HAMAS and the war? I feel like in missing something, because the backslash to people who show an ounce of support for Palestine is massive, and I don’t really get why. I just want regular people who aren’t terrorists to live at peace :(

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      8 months ago

      I think the basic reasoning is some form of:

      “If you support Palestina, you are against Israel. And you can’t be against Israel, because then you are an anti-semite and that means you support Hitler.”

      It’s mainly prevelant in western countries that historically support Israel. I do think a big part of that is some historical shame/feeling the Jewish people are owed something, given the genocide they had to endure in WW2. And of course a touch of geopolitics. And right wing politicians using Israel as a way to position themselves (I guess they hate Muslims more than Jews?).

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      8 months ago

      Or do majority of people in Palestine actually support HAMAS and the war?

      Idk if the majority support Hamas specifically, but most Palestinians support resistance fighters, including Hamas, mostly because peaceful diplomacy with Israel has proven to be impossible.

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        8 months ago

        Imagine 1% of your entire population was destroyed, people keep getting thrown out of homes, critical infrastructure is being destroyed. The world refuses to help and more often than not supports the people doing it to you.

        I’m not there, so I couldn’t make an accurate statement. But I’m pretty sure I would be supporting the only people willing to do anything to stop them. The situation is just to dire.

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          8 months ago

          And that’s after decades of brutal occupation and apartheid. This didn’t begin when Hamas attacked that concert.

      • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        8 months ago

        Maybe I’m mistaken, but at one point long ago at school, a professor told me that genocide is when one ethnic group kills 5000 of other ethnic group. How many innocent Palestinians has Israel killed so far since Oct 7th?

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      8 months ago

      Is Biden an idiot for blindly supporting Israel? Yes.

      But every fucking President since Truman has done the exact same thing … including Trump.

      So sit down and shut up already.

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        8 months ago

        People are responsible for the things they do. And the fact that your electoral system gives you the choice between Genocide Joe and Diaper Donald doesn’t mean there is a good guy between them. Electoralism has failed if this is the choice, and change should be looked for outside of it, you can still vote for whatever candidate is the least bad but don’t be smug about the fact that you did something good and be done for the next four years. If things keep going the way they’re going, there is going to be another Republican president in the future, either Trump or someone more dangerous and competent.

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          8 months ago

          Not my electoral system. I’m not American. Just sick and tired of shitty people hashtagging stupidity.

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            8 months ago

            I invite you to read the report sent to the ICJ by South Africa and call that stupidity. Now is the time to act while we can still stop an ethnic cleansing or worse.

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              I replied to someone hashtagging Biden, not SA’s report to the ICJ that I happen to agree with.

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                Biden can stop it today if he wants, either by withholding weapons or by direct intervention (although an embargo would probably suffice). But the fact that the US is STILL sending weapons is nothing less than direct complicity. People have been shot for less during the Nuremberg Trials.

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    8 months ago

    Yet Palestinian support for the Hamas terrorists just continues to grow. So weird thinking it’s 2024, and they’re having a fucking religious war over there.

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    8 months ago

    What percent of Americans died in the 9/11 attacks? How many 9/11s is this?

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    8 months ago

    Well that’s what happens when you start a war against a bigger stronger enemy. It’s not as if there’s no precedent for it: Gaza has been striking Israel and getting clobbered harder back over and over and over as far back as I can remember … it’s crazy. And now everyone’s surprised that the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust is getting a massive clobber in return. Seems Gaza are so blinded by their backward religitard rage that they just aren’t capable of looking for another option.

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      8 months ago

      Sigh.

      Gaza is under occupation by Israel, according to almost every NGO that matters, including the UN. The war has been going on since 1970.

      And before you call it “the biggest massacre of Jews since the holocaust” ask the IDF how many Jews they killed between October 7th and 9th.

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        8 months ago

        Sigh.

        Was alone pretty much an appropriate response to parent comment. Though I applaud you for your preservation.

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        8 months ago

        What else would Israel need to do to unoccupy Gaza? Army and civilians were all removed in 2005.

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            8 months ago

            Maybe if Hamas would stop making bombs and rockets out of literally anything they can get their hands on, in order to indiscriminately bomb Israel, they’d be more open to lifting the blockade.

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    8 months ago

    What is Israel supposed to do? I’m genuinely asking. I’m not implying what they have done is what should’ve happened but I’m genuinely puzzled what the imagined alternative would have been. You don’t react to Hamas’s attack by packing up your shit and leaving. You don’t respond to it by asking what your enemy would like you to do differently so that this doesn’t happen again. You retaliate. It’s blatantly obvious that’s what you do especially since they have a superior military. How do you retaliate? That is the question I’d like answered. What is a reasonable and justifiable retaliation to their act?

    If you catch a kid throwing rocks at windows you don’t shoot them or punch them in the face but you don’t pat them on the head either and give them candy. There are better and worse ways to deal with it here.

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      They could do literally anything other than indiscriminate artillery and bombing campaigns. They target hospitals, schools, and refugee camps and you ask “what else are they supposed to do?”

      Considering Gaza is inside of Israel technically, and Israeli intelligence is some of the best and most funded in the entire world, the IDF should have a very clear understanding of where Hamas militants are.

      The IDF is equipped with all of the latest American toys. They know how to find people that don’t want to be found. They’re just doing genocide.

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        8 months ago

        What is this hospital bombing everyone is talking about? Every single article I’m finding is about the Al-Alhi incident.

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        How do you know they are indiscriminately bombing? How do you know they purposefully targeting civilians hospitals and schools? We’re not talking about Hamas here, which openly has been doing that constantly, for decades. With child suicide bombers mind you.

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      How do you retaliate? That is the question I’d like answered. What is a reasonable and justifiable retaliation to their act?

      Retaliation is in the first place a wrong answer, because Hamas’s whole existence is retaliation to Israel’s aggression against Palestinians.

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        8 months ago

        This in no shape or form answers my question and is exactly what’s frustrating about the situation. I only hear critizism but never solutions.