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Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.
Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.
Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”
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Well, maybe Israelis should leave Palestinians country instead.
In 1940, the Nazis’ plan was to relocate all Jews to Madagascar.
Just 2 years later, they started exterminating them systematically.Americans making this about Trump vs Kamala is getting really really annoying. I mean, we get it, you are pissed off at each other. We’ve read the same arguments dozens of times already, and at this point it is getting extremely tired. It sucks the oxygen out of every conversation. Is this what the discourse is going to be around Palestine and Israel the next four years?
Lol you think there’s gonna be a Palestine in 4 years…
comment section full of spineless beggars who wants everyone to live on fake crumbs thrown by dnc hacks. what’s biden, harris and pelosi doing these days ? they seems to have made fortunes pretending to represent us and now enjoying themselves leaving us and palestinians to get fcked same as under biden. are we all forgetting biden hugging the scum netanyahu and him getting a standing ovation for murdering millions with our money.
aipac owned kamala would be no different other than wording it with lots of word salad of “allies”and right to defend (genocide).
reality is our country has became a rotten oligarchy owning both parties and they see normal voters as no different than how israelis see palestians. they will happily butcher us and our kids for an extra yatch
Yep the DNC isn’t great but it’s far better then actively feeding the country to the oligarchy. Go fuck youself with the BoTh SiDeS bullshit.
cry all you want but its not going to change that millions of past dnc voters want to see likes of pelosi and schumer hanged in the streets than blackmailed into voting for them again. just so they can continue to make millions selling the country to same oligarchs while we keep eating shit with a different packaging.
Do you understand how Senators are elected? The VAST majority of DNC voters didn’t vote for Pelosi or Schumer because they aren’t in their districts.
Maybe pay attention to the road so you don’t accidentally drive your tank into those civilians, again.
https://lemmy.world/post/23262125
god people still defending dnc are as dumb as maga mob
or you are just like ken martin our new dnc chair who wants us to suck upto billionaire parasites for leftovers
The amount of hatred against phantom leftists that on the one hand lost the Dems the vote and on the other were too weak to have their demands considered is crazy.
No, these people didn’t lose you the vote. They don’t even exist in this ambivalent form. It was everyday citizens that heard Democrats push the same racist border talking points Trump spewed last election and went “Hm, if even the Dems say this is a problem, I’ll vote the party that talked about how evil Migrants were for decades, the GOP”. It’s people tired of increasingly struggling to make ends meet and the Dems saying everything will stay the same, while Trump promised them change. We know that he just means destroying the last remnants of social security nets for poor people and everything that stands in the way for oligarchs making kaijulllian dollars. But people are stupid and desperate. Why can’t the Democratic party be held to a higher standard than whatever this is?
The Dems are constantly held to a vastly higher standard. This was true when trump first came to power too.
Hillary: competent politician, could have smiled more maybe, no big changes.
Trump: grab em by the pussy, pay hush money to porn stars, ramble incoherently.
Public: what about her emails?
No, they aren’t. Expecting the Dems to get the vote by not being the fascists is a low standard. They have to present more than that. They didn’t, in fact, and now the party blames leftists for not voting hard enough when it’s their failure.
Jesus, when Luigi Mangione allegedly killed that healthcare CEO, it showed how the entire country liked seeing that, and the Democratic party has no idea what kind of campaign they could maybe run? I’m not saying they should run on a billionaire purge platform, but c’mon, maybe use your one billion dollar campaign funds for sending a message for you and not against the other one. Instead we got a 25k grant for a house purchase if you jump through three hoops. Wow, inspiring stuff.
And Hillary Clinton being characterized as making “no big changes” tells the whole story here. Her opponent went on a “drain the swamp”, “we’re going to make America great again” campaign and building up a hispanic and muslim scape goat. Everyone who is educated knew these were lies, but people were bad off, even then, and needed change. To be a hawkish candidate in a war exhausted society who runs on nothing but trying to achieve the first female presidential office is a weak attempt at saving America from Trump.
Hilary is responsible for Trump. she pushed him in the primary.
Trump is just saying the quiet part loud. The Democrats aren’t any different. The last 15 months of genocide proves this.
Americans need to face facts, your country is a bloodthirsty empire that steals the resources, freedoms and conspires against oppressed people.
I don’t think anyone in Palestine is fighting for freedom as most would understand it. They will be free from Israel but that population isn’t going to be free like Belgians are free.
So America will take ALL Gazans, right, right?
Accelerationism has made things worse for everyone. Now we have a US president who has declared his intention to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip of Palestinians. If you want things to get better then you have to act in a way that is useful to that end. That means voting for parties that are to the left of fascists and that have a chance of winning. In the US, that’s the Democrats.
I don’t think that legitimate elections are happening in 4 years. They’re gutting everything and installing their flunkies just as they said they would in p2025.
The last election is where democracy died.
You can’t make the survival of democracy hinge on everybody having to vote for you because else it would be getting even worse. You actually have to present an option that promises that things get better. Significantly even, since most people in the US are absolutely struggling.
As voters we had the opportunity to prevent fascism for four more years by voting for neoliberals. This would have given progressives and socialists another opportunity to co-opt the Democrat party. The failure of the Democrats to provide a compelling alternative does not mean we should be complicit in our own destruction and allow fascists to murder us.
Now we have a US president who has declared his intention to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip of Palestinians
Biden declared it when he sent all those bombs, you hypocritial scum
Kamala was running for president. Biden dropped out. Kamala wanted to end the war.
Kamala was part of a criminal administration and if there was any justice she would be in death row next to trump
The vice president doesn’t have the power to overrule the president. Biden is complicit in genocide. Kamala and many in his adminstration are not.
I am afraid that the time to vote your way out of this is at an end. There is no way Republicans will willingly give up all three branches of government.
I am afraid that the time to vote your way out of this is at an end. There is no way Republicans will willingly give up all three branches of government.
Musk has control of the US Treasury Department payment system. Obviously not. Fascists don’t hold elections.
I’m trying to get people to act in their own self-interest. It may be too late for us, but someone might learn something someday. People who survive the collapse of the US and climate change might make better choices.
If we don’t tell people what went wrong here they will do it again.
Oh by all means talk about what went wrong. Recording history is vital. I’m just saying voting your way out of this won’t happen.
Also, not every country has been taken over by fascists yet.
Single-issue voters, when EVERYTHING was at stake, deserve all the hate they get, but are too stupid to understand. The worst kind of trumpers, ones that don’t think they are.
Yes, blame the voters. That will surely make them change and help win the next election for Democrats. /s
The voters of the usa are the assholes who help a facist to win, voting for this asshole or not voting for any candidate and let a facist win, if you only have two options in an election, a shit politician vs a facist you always vote for the shit politician but i read a lot of shit excuses of US assholes that they be almost forced to vote for a facist, now you have a shit facist as president so yes, is your fault
now you have a shit facist as president so yes, is your fault
I am not American. But putting that aside, US has a fascist president because the so called better choice decided it is better for a fascist to be elected president than to do what voters asked for, like not supporting fucking Genocide.
How much better are the Democrats really, if they themselves did not care about handing the presidency to Trump?
It’s years of voters willing to vote for the “lesser evil” that allowed both parties to field shittier and shittier candidates. Because it’s not as bad as the other guy and people will vote for lesser evil. So now you have two options that should have both been completely unacceptable in any civilized society and you still pretend to be morally superior, because your completely evil candidate is slightly less evil then the other one.
Im not from the usa, but i know if i need to choose between a facist an a piece of shit i prefer the piece of shit, you punch facist, fight agains them, do whatever to dont give then any kind of power but you came to give me excuses to support a facist, and please dont came to me to say about the evil of the usa because a know very well, their shit my country too, never support a facist or give then an opportunitty
My point is that Democrats enabled a Fascist to have any chance of winning and seem to have no regrets about it. Any half competent candidate should have run laps around Trump, a convicted felon and known rapist. As long as they keep supporting the democratic party and making excuses for it despite that, stuff like this will keep happening. They need to find a way to hold their party accountable. Blaming the voter is the absolute opposite of that.
Who else would you blame when you lost a vote?
Something not directly involved?
Beep boop?
Who do you blame for climate change? The sun, chemistry or humans releasing chemical to the atmosphere?
Arguably all 3 contribute to climate change, but only the last one is something you can change. So you blame humans, because it is the only productive option.
In an election, you can blame the party that lost or the voters. Blaming the voter is about as productive as blaming the sun, distracting from what changes have to happen in the Democratic party to guarantee a win in the next election.
Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza
Trump is the president of the United States and he has declared his intentions to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip. Americans who refused to vote for Kamala Harris are part of how we got here. American accelerationism harmed Palestinians.
so, are we only allowed to say ‘genocide’ when criticizing democrats? but when republicans do it “it’s not a genocide, it’s ethnic cleansing”.
Inb4 a bunch of americans who think every palestine-related news is about their little lemmy war against heresy.
This is truely a very, very low thinking comparison. So much so that it hurts knowing that people like this are able to project their dense thoughts out into the world and subject others to their wasteful presence.
So many braindead cunts in the comments. My block button is tired.
Fuck your smug face and the high horse you ride on.
You did this to yourselves. Maybe this will finally teach you that your inaction has consequences.
Also if you’re too stupid to read I’m angry at people who were screaming ‘genocide joe’ and ‘both sides bad’.
One side is far worse and these assholes can’t bring themselves to admit it. Their strategy was ‘all or nothing’ and they’re getting scorched Earth as a result.
I’m not even American you dipshit. And yet my country will be facing consequences of Americans being ignorant dickheads.
Does your party hold any fault, since they were full on supporting a genocide?
Shut the fuck up you tankie fuckwad. Go choke on Putin’s dick just like you did with his propaganda.
It’s cute. I’m not a talkie.
Glad to see the red scare is still paying dividends. You must be a proud McCarthyist.
In fairness, this is BS. A leaked Israeli paper from early 2024 stated that that IDF and the Israeli’s government overall goal WAS to remove all people from Gaza. Once and for all, if they could get away with it. The fact they systematically destroyed whole towns and places of culture educates us and reinforces that this was the plan all along. Trump is an Israeli puppet, nothing changes there, but the removal of people and the destruction of Gaza was the Israeli plan all along. This was known.
It is THEIR land. Their home. Why should they be shipped anywhere? That is an outright crime.
Source on that leaked paper please?
I believe they’re referring to this paper.
A chilling reminder that we are currently at the “Madagascar plan” stage of the Palestinian genocide.
How is this guy allowed to speak to anyone?
god damn the liberal smugness in this thread is revolting
you’re seeing a fucking genocide being orchestrated right before your eyes and all you can think of is “well at least I voted for the slightly less worse party” ???
go fuck yourselves
We told people what would happen:
Harris wanted to reach a cease fire deal and a two state solution, stated multiple times.
Trump wanted a genocide over there AND a genocide over here…
Only one of them could win, pick your poison. Failing to support Harris elects Trump.
Biden said he wanted the same thing, all while sending arms for genocide. And blocking the UN from halting it…
That’s the thing… Biden wasn’t sending arms “for genocide”. Biden was sending arms for the legitimate defense of Israel from attacks from Iran.
You know, like this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70w1j0l488o
The problem was, Bibi and Likud are dishonest brokers and re-directed that support into the genocide.
They didn’t need our help with it, they started killing people on 10/7 before we even approved support, much less sent it, and the most egregious offenses have been done with sniper bullets which are ubiquitous and cheap.
Oh! Like we sent nerve agents to Hussesin to use on Iran?
If it wasn’t to be used for a genocide, why did the Dems block all ceasefires?
The Dems didn’t block any cease fires, it wasn’t up to them. Seriously, just google “Cease fire rejected”.
March:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/27/world/middleeast/biden-israel-hamas-cease-fire.html
“Hamas Rejects Cease-Fire Proposal”
April:
“Hamas rejects Israel’s ceasefire response”
May:
“Israel has rejected a ceasefire”
June:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c888p5p2zvxo
“No Gaza ceasefire until Israel war aims achieved, Netanyahu says”
August:
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/18/hamas-rejects-us-ceasefire-hostage-proposal
“Hamas rejects new U.S. proposal”
September:
“ceasefire plan rejected by Netanyahu”
October:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-rejects-ceasefire-proposal-israei-troops-gaza
“Hamas rejects ceasefire proposal”
That’s a UN resolution, not an actual cease fire. The cease fire would require agreement from the warring parties involved.
And god, our history of vetoing UN resolutions against Israel is as long as my arm.
My favorite goes back to George W. Bush and his excuse to invade Iraq, if you recall he kept going on and on about how Iraq was in violation of something like 17 or 18 resolutions… Meanwhile Israel was breaking over 80 of them and it would have been more than 100 except for the US veto.
Well good news for you, we have the seeds of literal genocide at home too! Aren’t you proud of yourself
It’s an odd kind of projection on their part. They were upset that their beloved candidate was getting attacked and told us to put our pain aside and shut up and fall in line. They were mad that their beloved candidate got protests because they betrayed their own constituents, asking “why aren’t you protesting Trump?” when many of us protested both when they were in office.
They’re just sour because Biden/Harris had nothing to show for their failed policy and don’t want us to remember the promises they broke during both campaigns.
I’m “sour” because I had to flee the country because people like you cared more about a genocide on the other side of the planet than the genocides that were going to start (and now have started) domestically.
And people like you still obviously don’t care about them. Some are denying they are happening or will ever happen.
Look, principally I agree with your comments under this post, but this one was more miss than hit. The “genocide on the other side of the planet” is no less meaningful than your domestic ones.
You sure showed them, didn’t you? I’ll bet Palestine is overjoyed with your decision to not participate in helping elect someone that isn’t trying to force them from their homes and sending even more tonnage of weapons to be used against them!
So… much… winning!
Fuck yourself sideways with your indignation. We warned you over and over what would happen. You want to clutch your pearls now? Your personal stupidity, obstinance and bigotry is turning what was a horrible apartheid into an ethnic cleansing. This is YOUR fault.
