• noodles@sh.itjust.works
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    23 days ago

    My experience with Ubuntu was filled with bugs and i hated snaps, suggested it to a friend and installed it for him and he kept getting errors and bugs everywhere for some reason, he had the impression that linux is a buggy mess. I’m not suggesting ubuntu to a new user ever again, fedora is the way to go, i just wished they had nvidia drivers in their repos it would have made it easier for new users

    • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
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      23 days ago

      I wouldn’t even waste my time with Fedora after IBM bought redhat. and that’s rough coming from someone who daily drove fedora for over a decade.

      IBM has a history of suddenly dropping or changing support and telling its customers/communities to “eat shit”. I can’t put my trust in that.

  • Admiral Patrick@dubvee.orgEnglish
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    23 days ago

    Yeah, I don’t get the hate and intentional division being sowed there.

    I’m not a fan of Ubuntu since they went all Thanos Snap (the final straw was replacing deb packages in apt with snap stubs), but I can applaud that they’re using Linux.

    Just seems like low effort, pointless gatekeeping to me.

    • Kroxx@lemm.ee
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      23 days ago

      Yeah I never understood the hate but today I did read a comment saying Canonical (the company that develops Ubuntu) had injected some amazon telemetry into one of the search functionalities, that and using Snap is what makes some people shit on it. I didn’t verify the telemetry thing FYI.

      I can definitely understand people being upset at telemetry injections.

      The above is to say I don’t think it’s exclusively people gate keeping, dome people have legitimate issues with it.I haven’t seen people shit on mint a lot and it’s an easy distro. Honestly most people are super supportive of mint. That being said there is definitely some amount of gatekeeping.

      • superkret@feddit.org
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        23 days ago

        That was the point where I stopped using it.

        They included a global search function which in a default installation sent your search terms to Amazon and returned search results from them.
        It also sent them to a web search (with real time results while you typed, including image previews). So it was possible to get shown NSFW images accidentally inside your OS, without opening a browser.
        It was just really bad design, and a heavy-handed attempt of monetizing their OS.

        Of course that could all be removed with a bash one-liner, but it showed where Canonical was headed,

    • lengau@midwest.socialOP
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      23 days ago

      “Don’t feed the trolls” has ended up with the trolls running the place. I’d rather Lemmy not become yet another “lol ubuntu sux” echo chamber.

      • yokonzo@lemmy.world
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        23 days ago

        Why would it? It’s already an echo chamber for Linux as a whole, so I really, really doubt that’s going to happen

  • merci3@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    Canonical deserves most of the critics they get.

    Ubuntu users on the other hand don’t deserve even the slight amount of critic they get for just… Using Ubuntu. like, at least they use Linux, we should be encouraging them to keep using it.

    • lengau@midwest.socialOP
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      23 days ago

      I have my own criticism of Canonical, but most of what I hear from the anti-Ubuntu crowd isn’t even grounded in reality.

      My favourite one recently was that upstart was Canonical NIHing systemd.

      • Cenzorrll@lemmy.world
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        23 days ago

        Didn’t upstart show up in jaunty jackalope? I don’t recall systemd being all that big back then. Also, jaunty booted in 30s to desktop on a 4200rpm spinning rust IDE drive, Intel m processor. In my book they succeeded there but yeah, the attitude they have about contributing to current projects is bullshit.

  • MehBlah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    23 days ago

    I don’t care what some distro snob thinks… I use ubuntu and have few problems. I replace the snaps and move on. I’ve been using Linux longer than most of them have been alive. They can pretend that makes me behind the times but somehow I always seem to be ahead of them. Having made my stance clear.

    I don’t care what distro they use. Why would I?

      • MehBlah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        23 days ago

        I’ll use one if it is something more obscure. I do however replace things like firefox and vlc with the source repo.

        • lengau@midwest.socialOP
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          23 days ago

          Switching Firefox from the apt repo to the snap is one of the things I did when using KDE Neon on my laptop (on my desktop with Nvidia I did the opposite on Kubuntu).

          I don’t know what you mean about VLC though - while it’s available as an official snap published by VideoLAN, it’s also in the apt repos on all Ubuntu versions.

          • MehBlah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            23 days ago

            Its probably fixed now but for years vlc suffered from several bugs on ubuntu the worst being it launching multiple windows despite having that disabled in settings. I started using the PPA and now I just skip ubuntu maintained versions.

      • RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works
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        23 days ago

        Fascinating. I was just wondering if anyone could actually like snap and I personally knew no one until now.

        FWIW I’m a long time Kubuntu user and I like it very much. But the snap experience has me on the brink of switching to a different distro.

  • abcdqfr@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    You either use the distro for its specific use case and suffer as you overreach into other areas of expertise or get comfy switching gears if you need hybrid tasks on minimal hardware

  • teft@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    All operating system elitism is stupid. Just use what you like and are comfortable using. I grew up on Linux and mostly use Mac nowadays.

    It’s even sillier to make fun of someone for the distro they use.

    When you’re a boring person and the only thing you have to be snobby about is your operating system I’m not sure that says anything good about you.

  • lelgenio@lemmy.ml
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    23 days ago

    Q: what does apt install firefox do? Surely it uses apt to install Firefox, right??? A: The command gets highjacked by snap, which promptly crashed and hangs.

    Ran into this just a few hours ago, made the mistake of suggesting Ubuntu as a sane default (instead of debian or something else), never making that mistake again hopefully.

    • 7rokhym@lemmy.ca
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      23 days ago

      Here’s a thought: Before installing packages you don’t understand, go to the Firefox site and follow their instructions which work fine on Ubuntu and doesn’t install snap.

      I’m not a fan of snap either, but with all software, people need to RTFM. Not do the dumb thing and then cry on the Internet seeking hive mind rage when the dumb thing happens.

      • limelight79@lemm.ee
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        23 days ago

        I’ve followed those directions, only to find snap firefox was reinstalled a few months later.

        Switched to Debian, much happier.

        • superkret@feddit.org
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          23 days ago

          Usually I hate when people ditch an entire distro because they don’t understand or refuse to understand its quirks, but…

          Switched to Debian

          At least there was a happy ending.

          • limelight79@lemm.ee
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            23 days ago

            Where was I refusing to understand its quirks? After several years of using snap-based Firefox, I came to the conclusion that I didn’t like the snap based installation of firefox. So, I followed the directions to go back to a deb-based Firefox installation. But Kubuntu “helpfully” reverted it a few months later, and that cycle repeated a few times.

            I specifically requested the deb-based installation and it ignored my wishes. I know what operating system that reminds me of, and it isn’t Linux.

            I’m sure someone will tell me I’m wrong for wanting a .deb-based Firefox and that snaps are better anyway. Even if that’s true (I don’t care to argue), I chose a path and Kubuntu overrode my choice. Silently, too.

            I’ll also note that I started using Kubuntu back in 2008 or so, and stopped last year. I used it on both my desktop and laptop machines. So, it wasn’t like I just tried it for a few hours and got upset; I was a long time user that was quite familiar with how it worked. For most of that time, I was really happy with Kubuntu, but having it override my explicit configuration was extremely frustrating.

            Others can continue to use it, that’s fine with me. This isn’t a personal attack on anyone’s choices.

      • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        23 days ago

        I think expecting people running Ubuntu to RTFM is a longshot. The people installing it want an experience where they don’t want to put any effort into learning how things work. If they did they probably would run something else.

    • lengau@midwest.socialOP
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      23 days ago

      So would you prefer they just remove the firefox package from new releases without offering an upgrade path?

    • Allero@lemmy.today
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      23 days ago

      Mint fixes that. Based on Ubuntu, it intentionally disables Snap, and all apt commands actually use apt.

      Or yes, just straight up use Debian if you don’t mind older apps outside Flatpaks.

        • Allero@lemmy.today
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          22 days ago

          Note that on the negative side it inherits most of the issues of Debian, including extremely old packages.

          Also, Debian 12 finally got very user-friendly enough to the point I would recommend it over LMDE.

          • electric_nan@lemmy.ml
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            22 days ago

            That’s true, but if you want you can change to testing repos. I still prefer it over vanilla Debian due to polish. I find even using Cinnamon DE in Debian it’s just rougher around the edges than Mint.

            • Allero@lemmy.today
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              22 days ago

              Fair enough - if you’re a fan of Cinnamon, LMDE will always be a bit more polished. I can see your use case :)

      • Doxin@pawb.social
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        21 days ago

        Use debian testing if you want up-to-date software. The name implies it’s unstable, but it’s really not. Debian stable absurdly stable, and debian testing is regular stable.

        • Allero@lemmy.today
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          15 days ago

          I’m interested in what made you choose LMDE over stock Debian

          Is it because you found the UI more convenient and organized? Or was it before Debian 12 and you wanted to avoid technical difficulties with nonfree software?

          • adr1an@programming.dev
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            15 days ago

            Yeah, this was around the time they first released it. Back then I had issues with downloading and installing Debian, regardless of drivers. I was inexperienced, and was using Mint (ubuntu-based) already, so the UI (gtk2, mate) was a huge plus for my restricted specs (a netbook)

      • RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works
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        23 days ago

        Except I just uninstalled Mint’s default Firefox because whatever additional theming they did to my boy fucked up the right click context menu. FF is now flatpak.

        • superkret@feddit.org
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          23 days ago

          Firefox isn’t in the repos of Debian, so any derivative (derivative (derivative)) distro must deal with that in some way.

      • horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world
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        22 days ago

        This is the way. Debian net install. Or even better, boot over iPXE, ephemeral kernel in RAM with only backups and static binaries written to disk. Snapshotting handled by BTRFS

    • superkret@feddit.org
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      23 days ago

      What does apt install firefox do in Debian Stable?

      package »firefox« has no installation candidate

      Firefox isn’t in Debian’s repository, cause it moves too fast for Debian’s release cycle and is too complicated for their security team.
      Debian instead offers firefox-esr
      Ubuntu instead offers firefox snap

  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    22 days ago

    I personally think Ubuntu sucks, thats why I always reccomend other distros to people starting :3

    Productivity: Debian (you dont need up to date packages if all you do is edit documents)

    Gaming: Pop_OS (especially when Cosmic releases)

  • endeavor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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    22 days ago

    Ubutu sucks really bad. I installed it checks notes 17 years ago and I didn’t even get internet running out of the box. Fedora 41 is just so much better and I can’t see how anyone can argue with that.

        • skooma_king@lemm.ee
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          23 days ago

          (I didn’t downvote you, just fyi, don’t know why someone would)

          I personally have no issues with x11 if i’m using just one monitor, but if I use two or more I have nothing but issues. I am a tired sysadmin and don’t want to fight my personal equipment at home.

          • atlas@sh.itjust.works
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            23 days ago

            same and never had an issue with x11. two monitors at different resolutions and different refresh rates.

            • Semperverus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              23 days ago

              You haven’t noticed the issue then. X11 tends to run everything at the lowest common denominator, and doesn’t allow per-monitor scaling.

    • lengau@midwest.socialOP
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      23 days ago

      Configuring Kubuntu for my liking is way easier than configuring mint for my liking, and some of that mint configuration is going out of the way to undo things the mint maintainers did intentionally.

      • BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca
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        23 days ago

        Then you chose right! Regarding Ubuntu I have been using it for work VMs and it’s adequate, my current annoyance is that you can’t easily change the UI colours to distinguish different projects, because it’s not the “Ubuntu way”, maybe I’ll find a hack.

      • Allero@lemmy.today
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        22 days ago

        Mint not officially shipping with KDE is a source of my personal frustration. Would have checked it out more thoroughly otherwise.

  • Aelis@lemm.ee
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    23 days ago

    I get the annoyance around tribalism/elitism, some people in other posts pointed out the fact that silly dramas and bad/dumb linux takes scares out new users but tbh I feel more confortable with a vocal community, even a silly one. Feels healthier and more alive to me than a mute and apathetic one.

    If something goes wrong, if something displeases someone we will hear about it, people will get angry, at the worst we get a nice entertainment to watch and a good laugh, at the very best it leads us to some nice changes.

    It’s something I grew to like about Linux, even the silliness of it all, even how you can’t really tell if people are dead serious or not about the stupidest things.

    • pulverizedcoccyx@lemmy.ca
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      23 days ago

      Amen brother. I’m really hoping a lot of these gotchas get ironed out in some way as more people start choosing Linux over windows. I would be really happy to see some smoother experiences in the coming year or years. Don’t get me wrong, things are a bajillion times better than ten years ago, but there’s still a ways to go yet.

      • endeavor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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        22 days ago

        I switched to fedora cold turkey a few months ago and honestly its a better experience than windows by far. As a bonus games that work poorly or don’t work on the os they were made for, work on linux now.

  • Petter1@lemm.ee
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    15 days ago

    Lol, Reddit has nothing to do with ubuntu just being crap.

    But as snap lover… I see all hope is lost in you.

    (This is a meme community, please don’t take me too serious)