It always reminds me of the West Wing episode where the commutation lawyer asks if the president is looking for “packing peanuts.” Like, does he have a buddy that needs their sentence commuted and wants a smokescreen for the move.
You are correct. They hatched a plan to grant clemency to a slew of people who were convicted of non-violent crimes that were switched to home confinement during the pandemic and who kept their noses clean since then. So a bunch of people who tended to skew older and committed financial crimes. No one thought to look at the details, I guess, so he pardoned some people he probably shouldn’t have.
Frankly, what’s done is done. He needs to now pardon all the kids who were convicted by this asshole and his partner, because they are the ones who really deserve it.
I don’t think he can. This is a former county judge who oversaw state cases. It would require the governor and/or state AG to pardon those kids. I actually think there was a commission set up specifically for that purposes, which led to hundreds of vacated convictions and a class action lawsuit that recovered millions in damages.
Ah, you are right. I saw a recent article about the parents of some of those kids who were pissed off and I misremembered the article. I thought that the parents were seeking clemency for their kids. What they actually said in the article was that they wanted “to see the ‘same kind of compassion and mercy’ extended to juvenile defendants around the country.” Which is not something Biden could do anyway because, as you say, those were state level courts/charges.
Yep it’s basic Hanlon’s razor. But plenty won’t care to engage their brains. It’s just another reason for them to crucify him.
Which is like if you guys are this upset about what Biden did. You do realize that the person coming into office after him literally sold pardons or money. To some of the worst people you’ll ever know. Oh? Not a peep?
What Trump does doesn’t justify or defend Mistakes by Biden. But it really is telling that Biden is disproportionately getting raked over the coals.
It’s not too much to ask that the POTUS considers the details of actions they take before taking them. Hell, this is one of the many criticisms people correctly make of Trump. It’s also not too much to expect other politicians take their jobs more seriously than Trump does, or for other politicians to be better than Trump in general (especially when that is literally all that they promise us).
No, its not. But that was never my supposition. All I was asking. Was for people who were breathlessly repeatedly posting and complaining about such actions from Biden take equal and appropriate responses towards his opponents. Is that too much to ask? Apparently yes. Yes it is.
Is it too much to ask people to consider the likely knock on effects other actions? Absolutely going by popular sentiments around here lol. Is it too much to ask for Democratic party to actually really look at what happened and reevaluate things? Indubitably. Is it too much to ask those e nomine on the left to do similar? You better believe it.
I’m not asking anyone to not criticize Biden. I’m just wondering where all this enthusiasm and energy was when it came to trying to make sure the other bad guy didn’t get elected.
I’m just wondering where all this enthusiasm and energy was when it came to trying to make sure the other bad guy didn’t get elected.
Probably because around 99% of the people using Lemmy already know that Trump is worse, so complaining about it feels irrelevant and like a waste of time. What does it accomplish when everyone already agrees?
When people here complain about the amount of Biden-bashing from leftists, now that actually accomplishes something. What that does is give people who are debating between voting blue, voting third party, or not voting at all (and there are a lot of those people around here) the impression that dedicated Democrat voters don’t care what Democrats do as long as Trump does something worse. This promotes the idea that “both sides are the same” and discourages people from voting blue.
All it tells you is we expect Trump to be shit, and know he doesn’t care if we call him out on it
Why does it matter if he cares or not? Because I have a news flash for you. Biden doesn’t care either. So why are you making an exception to your own rule?
Plenty of career criminals no that committing crimes could send them to prison. But they don’t care. Why do we send them to prison? There’s a whole bunch of irrational inconsistencies your stance opens up.
But honestly the most personally damning one with regards to people like yourself. Is you were so adamant at calling out Biden. Without a peep as to Trump etc. Plenty of uninformed uneducated people saw it. And then saw him as the better option.
Because I have a news flash for you. Biden doesn’t care either
No shit? Not a news flash for me, bud. The rest of the Democrats absolutely do care, unlike the Republicans and trump
So why are you making an exception to your own rule?
I’m not, as stated: we already know he’s garbage. I know I gave 2 whole reasons and it’s hard to keep that many thoughts in your head but I believe in you
There’s a whole bunch of irrational inconsistencies your stance opens up.
Lol, if you ignore half of what I said, absolutely!
But honestly the most personally damning one with regards to people like yourself. Is you were so adamant at calling out Biden. Without a peep as to Trump
Lol, I absolutely peeped about Trump, dipshit, don’t assume shit or you’ll look even stupider
Plenty of uninformed uneducated people saw it. And then saw him as the better option.
Blame the idiots who voted for him and the millions of people who chose not to vote against him this time around, not the people posting on Lemmy to people who already know how bad Trump is
No shit? Not a news flash for me, bud. The rest of the Democrats absolutely do care, unlike the Republicans and trump
Whoa whoa whoa come back here with those goal posts friend. You’ll hurt yourself running that fast. I hate to point it out to you. Okay maybe that’s an exaggeration. That ghoul Liz Cheney carried enough to campaign for the opposition. And if a republican that objectively horrible cared. I assure you plenty of other Republicans cared too. Yes some of them had ulterior motives. Though I can at least say this for them. Their motives are much more consistent and clear than yours.
Screeching butt hurt noises after having their argument logically dismantled.
Love you too kiddo. Love you too. Just got enough to continue taking your bait. Good day.
Which is like if you guys are this upset about what Biden did. You do realize that the person coming into office after him literally sold pardons or money. To some of the worst people you’ll ever know. Oh? Not a peep?
Eldritch, always here with the nonsense distrsction attempt for Biden and/or genocide.
“Sure I killed 3 kids your honor, but what about that other guy? He killed 4! so why am I even here in court?”
So eldritch, once again, we dont judge ourselves as doing fine if we stay slightly above the worst level of what some other side is doing. Thats not how any of this works. Its not how life works. Your point is nonsense. As usual.
I literally said it’s not a defense of him. Just pointed out that it’s odd that so many are so seemingly upset. At what specifically a lame duck outgoing president did. By mass pardoning a group of people. Which included someone it shouldn’t have. Likely not by Biden’s inclusion. And you felt so personally called out by it. That you did nothing but project and put words I never said into my mouth. Funny that. Some advice for the future comrade. You’ll have much more fruitful discussions if you engage with what people actually say. Instead of trying to make up things to get offended at. That’s ultimately my point and you proved it. Thank you very much friend.
You’re like this in all of your many many comments.
You backpedal with a “I just X”. or trying to pretend everyone misunderstood what you obviously said.
You ALWAYS run interference for Biden and genocide with the same tired “But Trump is worse” and “Biden probably didnt do X on purpose” drivel. Its always the main point of your comment: “what about Trump.”
You throw in a tired ad-hom, like this time calling me “comrade”. or sometimes its “kiddo” or “uninformed” or “uneducated”.
And you clutch your pearls and claim its personal.
There a significant difference between having a perspective on the bigger picture versus “defending” one aspect of it. The person you’re attacking stated they weren’t defending Biden because it’s obviously wrong, but they were pointing out that in the larger scheme of things it’s comparatively SOP or even small peanuts compared to other similar wrongs committed by other people in the same position.
I’m quite disgusted with the Biden administration’s handling of Netanyahu myself, but that doesn’t mean the answer is to replace it with someone with an even worse human rights track record.
Why do you bring up replacement in this conversation?
pushing for better leadership within the party doesnt equate to boosting Trump. We’re supposed to have our own standards, not only exist as some foil to the far right. Thats exactly how we all lost in the last election.
Lots of people prefer to speak of Biden only in the context of comparing him to trump. strange, eh. He cant stand on his own two feet, he needs that Trump comparison, or who is he? Shall we look at his actions without that crutch of comparing him to Trump? no?
So sure, we can talk about both here, because otherwise the centrists would have nothing at all to say.
Not a defense of Biden, bit maybe this is why?
Buried in the massive list of nearly 1,500 people
I believe it was a blanket pardon for a certain class of offense.
It always reminds me of the West Wing episode where the commutation lawyer asks if the president is looking for “packing peanuts.” Like, does he have a buddy that needs their sentence commuted and wants a smokescreen for the move.
You are correct. They hatched a plan to grant clemency to a slew of people who were convicted of non-violent crimes that were switched to home confinement during the pandemic and who kept their noses clean since then. So a bunch of people who tended to skew older and committed financial crimes. No one thought to look at the details, I guess, so he pardoned some people he probably shouldn’t have.
Frankly, what’s done is done. He needs to now pardon all the kids who were convicted by this asshole and his partner, because they are the ones who really deserve it.
I don’t think he can. This is a former county judge who oversaw state cases. It would require the governor and/or state AG to pardon those kids. I actually think there was a commission set up specifically for that purposes, which led to hundreds of vacated convictions and a class action lawsuit that recovered millions in damages.
Ah, you are right. I saw a recent article about the parents of some of those kids who were pissed off and I misremembered the article. I thought that the parents were seeking clemency for their kids. What they actually said in the article was that they wanted “to see the ‘same kind of compassion and mercy’ extended to juvenile defendants around the country.” Which is not something Biden could do anyway because, as you say, those were state level courts/charges.
Did anyone sneak Snowden into that list?
Yep it’s basic Hanlon’s razor. But plenty won’t care to engage their brains. It’s just another reason for them to crucify him.
Which is like if you guys are this upset about what Biden did. You do realize that the person coming into office after him literally sold pardons or money. To some of the worst people you’ll ever know. Oh? Not a peep?
What Trump does doesn’t justify or defend Mistakes by Biden. But it really is telling that Biden is disproportionately getting raked over the coals.
It’s not too much to ask that the POTUS considers the details of actions they take before taking them. Hell, this is one of the many criticisms people correctly make of Trump. It’s also not too much to expect other politicians take their jobs more seriously than Trump does, or for other politicians to be better than Trump in general (especially when that is literally all that they promise us).
No, its not. But that was never my supposition. All I was asking. Was for people who were breathlessly repeatedly posting and complaining about such actions from Biden take equal and appropriate responses towards his opponents. Is that too much to ask? Apparently yes. Yes it is.
Is it too much to ask people to consider the likely knock on effects other actions? Absolutely going by popular sentiments around here lol. Is it too much to ask for Democratic party to actually really look at what happened and reevaluate things? Indubitably. Is it too much to ask those e nomine on the left to do similar? You better believe it.
I’m not asking anyone to not criticize Biden. I’m just wondering where all this enthusiasm and energy was when it came to trying to make sure the other bad guy didn’t get elected.
Probably because around 99% of the people using Lemmy already know that Trump is worse, so complaining about it feels irrelevant and like a waste of time. What does it accomplish when everyone already agrees?
When people here complain about the amount of Biden-bashing from leftists, now that actually accomplishes something. What that does is give people who are debating between voting blue, voting third party, or not voting at all (and there are a lot of those people around here) the impression that dedicated Democrat voters don’t care what Democrats do as long as Trump does something worse. This promotes the idea that “both sides are the same” and discourages people from voting blue.
All it tells you is we expect Trump to be shit, and know he doesn’t care if we call him out on it
Sooooo tired of people pretending that isn’t obvious
Why does it matter if he cares or not? Because I have a news flash for you. Biden doesn’t care either. So why are you making an exception to your own rule?
Plenty of career criminals no that committing crimes could send them to prison. But they don’t care. Why do we send them to prison? There’s a whole bunch of irrational inconsistencies your stance opens up.
But honestly the most personally damning one with regards to people like yourself. Is you were so adamant at calling out Biden. Without a peep as to Trump etc. Plenty of uninformed uneducated people saw it. And then saw him as the better option.
No shit? Not a news flash for me, bud. The rest of the Democrats absolutely do care, unlike the Republicans and trump
I’m not, as stated: we already know he’s garbage. I know I gave 2 whole reasons and it’s hard to keep that many thoughts in your head but I believe in you
Lol, if you ignore half of what I said, absolutely!
Lol, I absolutely peeped about Trump, dipshit, don’t assume shit or you’ll look even stupider
Blame the idiots who voted for him and the millions of people who chose not to vote against him this time around, not the people posting on Lemmy to people who already know how bad Trump is
Whoa whoa whoa come back here with those goal posts friend. You’ll hurt yourself running that fast. I hate to point it out to you. Okay maybe that’s an exaggeration. That ghoul Liz Cheney carried enough to campaign for the opposition. And if a republican that objectively horrible cared. I assure you plenty of other Republicans cared too. Yes some of them had ulterior motives. Though I can at least say this for them. Their motives are much more consistent and clear than yours.
Love you too kiddo. Love you too. Just got enough to continue taking your bait. Good day.
Nothing was moved, for fucks sake you can’t actually be that stupid.
Probably because you keep failing to read what was said and making (bad) assumptions about me. Which is a you problem
If you’re too stupid to get why people who are acutely aware of how shit the next guy will be criticize the current guy and not him, that’s on you
golf clap
the only stuff worth reading out of all that back and forth with this guy were your responses back at him.
He’s the bane of lemmy’s existsence and I dont understand why I have never blocked him yet. Let me take care of that right now.
“Blocked Eldritch”
ahhhhhhhhhhh. yeah.
Eldritch, always here with the nonsense distrsction attempt for Biden and/or genocide. “Sure I killed 3 kids your honor, but what about that other guy? He killed 4! so why am I even here in court?”
So eldritch, once again, we dont judge ourselves as doing fine if we stay slightly above the worst level of what some other side is doing. Thats not how any of this works. Its not how life works. Your point is nonsense. As usual.
I literally said it’s not a defense of him. Just pointed out that it’s odd that so many are so seemingly upset. At what specifically a lame duck outgoing president did. By mass pardoning a group of people. Which included someone it shouldn’t have. Likely not by Biden’s inclusion. And you felt so personally called out by it. That you did nothing but project and put words I never said into my mouth. Funny that. Some advice for the future comrade. You’ll have much more fruitful discussions if you engage with what people actually say. Instead of trying to make up things to get offended at. That’s ultimately my point and you proved it. Thank you very much friend.
You’re like this in all of your many many comments.
You backpedal with a “I just X”. or trying to pretend everyone misunderstood what you obviously said.
You ALWAYS run interference for Biden and genocide with the same tired “But Trump is worse” and “Biden probably didnt do X on purpose” drivel. Its always the main point of your comment: “what about Trump.”
You throw in a tired ad-hom, like this time calling me “comrade”. or sometimes its “kiddo” or “uninformed” or “uneducated”.
And you clutch your pearls and claim its personal.
*le sigh.
There a significant difference between having a perspective on the bigger picture versus “defending” one aspect of it. The person you’re attacking stated they weren’t defending Biden because it’s obviously wrong, but they were pointing out that in the larger scheme of things it’s comparatively SOP or even small peanuts compared to other similar wrongs committed by other people in the same position.
I’m quite disgusted with the Biden administration’s handling of Netanyahu myself, but that doesn’t mean the answer is to replace it with someone with an even worse human rights track record.
Why do you bring up replacement in this conversation? pushing for better leadership within the party doesnt equate to boosting Trump. We’re supposed to have our own standards, not only exist as some foil to the far right. Thats exactly how we all lost in the last election.
Because the community is called “Politics,” not “The Democratic Party.” We can talk about both here.
Lots of people prefer to speak of Biden only in the context of comparing him to trump. strange, eh. He cant stand on his own two feet, he needs that Trump comparison, or who is he? Shall we look at his actions without that crutch of comparing him to Trump? no?
So sure, we can talk about both here, because otherwise the centrists would have nothing at all to say.