The Senate passed a bill with broad bipartisan support in 2022 that would have made daylight saving time permanent instead.
  • Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winEnglish
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    14 days ago

    This has been bugging me of late so I’ll ask here even though FTR I hate that I agree with Trump:

    Why don’t we just split the difference and offset by 30 min for the whole year/permanently?

    • TootSweet@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      14 days ago

      God no. The math with timezones is painful enough without having to deal with half hour offsets.

      Actually, there are some timezones with offsets of half or even quarter hours, but the company where I work in software engineering doesn’t do any business in those timezones, so I’ve never had to deal with that particular brand of madness.

      Just get rid of DST. It was never a good idea. “Noon” should mean that the sun is directly overhead (or at least directly overhead east-west-wise if not north-south-wise) and “midnight” should be the midpoint between any two adjacent noons. (Ok, yes, if you live on the extreme eastern or western edge of a timezone, then at noon, the position of the sun may be up to 7.5° off of directly overhead east-west-wise. But yeah.)

      • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
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        14 days ago

        Nah, not GMT. UTC. It’s the more accurate successor, and all computers already use it.

        Not to mention, everyone will always know what time you are talking about anywhere in the world, and based on your own experience, you know if it will be during the day or not.

        Timezones will no longer matter, making software handling time so much easier.

        • ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
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          14 days ago

          I support this idea however it will never happen.People are going to want 9 am to be when the sun comes up.

          Switching to a different 24 hour clock won’t help. People are use to 10 being when the sun is up and 23 when the night is happening.

          Having everyone on one time zone would be the best thing ever.

    • Sludgeyy@lemmy.world
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      14 days ago

      Because compromise makes neither side truly happy

      We are already trying to compromise with switch back and forth.

      30 minutes just makes it over complicated and satisfies neither side

      • edric@lemm.eeEnglish
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        14 days ago

        I personally don’t even care which one, I just want either of them and make it permanent.

        • TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org
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          14 days ago

          Okay, I’ll choose, keep the sun up later. Make the day last till at least 7 PM in the winter. That way I can still see it after work. I don’t give a shit when I’m driving to work.

    • bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world
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      14 days ago

      I understand what you mean, BUT I live in AZ and Im not going to have AZ be both 30 minutes ahead of Cali, 30 minutes behind Utah, and an hour and 30 behind New Mexico. No, you all either fall in line with how time is supposed to work or you can keep doing your shitty Daylight Savings bullshit

      • Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.winEnglish
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        14 days ago

        I take it AZ doesn’t follow DST? I don’t see how springing ahead 30min instead of the hour next time and being done would cause that much of an issue

        • bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world
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          14 days ago

          Im going to guess youre not from the US? Heres a Time Zone map with the States listed.

          I got my own groupings of time zones a little twisted in my head, I didnt think New Mexico was Mountain Time. Regardless, Arizona and Hawaii dont follow DST. Shifting all the US states by 30 minutes for an arbitrary reason doesnt solve anything really and kind of just fucks with global time standards.

  • Zaktor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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    14 days ago

    I don’t know who chose that headlining image of him pointing (and looking) at the sun, but it’s perfect.

  • Nithanim@programming.dev
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    12 days ago

    Every time this topic comes up I wonder how many computer systems this will break. Maybe we find out soon if this is really realized.

    • caden@lemmy.sdf.org
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      12 days ago

      I’d bet it actually simplifies as least as many things as it breaks. Basically all computers already keep track of time as a count of seconds since a UTC epoch anyway, and then do timezone conversions on top of that.

      • Nithanim@programming.dev
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        12 days ago

        Well, in essence yes. But I have seen enough mishandling and homegrown stuff of custom date-time calculations that this could get interesting. I suspect that there are a lot of systems where the TZ database is never updated which at least will result in shifted displayed local time.

        Also, it is fun to get data from old programs and also from userinput where the actual offset has to be guessed from the timezone. And if that conversion data is old, fun is had. It does not matter how time is represented internally in this case.

    • smeenz@lemmy.nz
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      12 days ago

      There are probably hundreds of thousands of devices out there that are smart enough to know about time zones but old enough that there no chance of a software update, for example APC UPSs and power strips used in data centres world wide and years beyond end of support.

    • bss03@infosec.pub
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      12 days ago

      As long as they can get tzdata / Olsen db updates before the first change, there’s usually no problem. But, I’m sure there are still devices out there using the OLD US switchover dates from the Bush era, because they have a different, possibly “hard-coded” rule set.

  • djsoren19@yiffit.net
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    13 days ago

    If I remember correctly, the issue last time is that they wanted us on permanent Daylight Savings Time, instead of Standard Time. So I expect Trump to force the U.S. onto permanent DST, just because all science says it would be worse for us than going to Standard.

        • sean@lemmy.wtfEnglish
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          12 days ago

          Ah an argument, well I guess it’s settled then and it won’t ever be worse than the other way around

    • Joelk111@lemmy.world
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      13 days ago

      I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but I want permanent DST. I want it to be light when I get home so I can spend some time outside without a flashlight. I don’t care if it’s dark in the morning, I’m working. Don’t tell me to just work different hours, I already work 6am-3pm, which is the earliest I’m allowed at my current job, and a lot earlier than allowed by many jobs. I still only get about an hour before dark where I live.

  • SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    13 days ago

    Permanent Standard Time people are weird. I do not give a shit if its dark when I’m going to work, but seeing the sun going down at 3pm fucks with my mental health. Winter is miserable purely for that reason, I can deal with the cold, not that.

      • Kitathalla@lemy.lolEnglish
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        12 days ago

        No, think of it from the same point. On standard time, the sun would be setting at, let’s say 1642 hours. If on daylight savings time, the sun would be setting at 1742 hours.

  • chingadera@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    Will y’all shut the fuck up and act like you don’t want this? You’re going to ruin it.

    We absolutely need to start protesting this so he makes it a priority.

    • shplane@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      13 days ago

      Dang, I sure do love that Obama created daylight savings time. I hope it never goes away. Thanks Obama!

    • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
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      14 days ago

      This is literally how to shape his entire presidency and keep him from completely destroying the country. This move right here, every time.

      Let’s make a list of things and how to complain and stick to the script.

      I’ll go first. Man, I love tariffs!

      • chingadera@lemmy.world
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        14 days ago

        The only way that Democrats will eventually come out on top here is massive tariffs. We have to get the word out and thank Donald Trump for his concept of a plan on tariffs.

  • Case@lemmynsfw.com
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    13 days ago

    Gonna piss off the farmers, until they get their subsidiary check for growing corn (for high fructose corn syrup) instead of feeding the population.

    • bstix@feddit.dk
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      13 days ago

      Everything will piss off the farmers.

      Removing daylight saving is actually something they want, because it fucks with their routine, but sure, they’ll be pissed off about removing it too.