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“To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.”
Post got removed in .world for not being a “news source” even though Klippenstein is definitely a very established independent journalist, so trying again here I guess.
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I appreciate you posting this here. I had not read a manifesto yet that sounded like it was legitimately his. This one seems internally consistent at least, as if it was written by a real person. Can never be sure.
In this one, it seems there’s nothing for me to dislike, which makes me believe it was written by a real person, but even more cautious about believing it. I had, until now, only heard negative (from my pov) things about him. It is unusual for something like this to leak. The media tries it’s best to keep the lid on contagious ideas. (Another reason to be incredulous)
I expect the media will try to give both sides something to dislike about him, to discourage idolatry and imitation. Feels like some 1984/Brave New World style social engineering to me.
This guy is a reminder that health is the most important thing in life. He lost his health which led him to lose it all.
He lost it all because of capitalism.
he also head it all DUE TO CAPITALISM
With that being said, we don’t don’t get to pick our heros, they come as they. His work is what I judge him on.
We don’t chose our family background. Many times class war leaders are part of the elites themselves but but at some point they see the reality and switch teams.
FDR was a disabled and I always assumed that his condition forced him to see the suffering of the working class so he sided with them. No peasant would ever be able to do what he did. He was the elite.
I see a lot of leftist political whores try to smear him based on his class… it is disgusting.
Tells you all you need to know about what sort of leftist they are.
he also had it all DUE TO CAPITALISM
As far as I’m aware he was not part of the owning class, he just had a good paying job, that does not make him a benefactor of capitalism.
I see a lot of leftist political whores try to smear him based on his class…
Says the person who brought his class up… 🤔
Look, I’m not trying to have a go, but honestly this is completely derailing from my point - health is not a virtue, nor is it in our control (despite what abled people love to believe), and being in ill health and or becoming disabled is only “losing it all” because of capitalism and abled supremacy, NOT because sick and disabled people’s lives no longer have value (which is what the original comment implies).
As far as I’m aware he was not part of the owning class,
His family owns income producing businessES. He has the background. I am not sure if he personally had access to the wealth though.
Says the person who brought his class up…
Check fake TV talking heads covering him, Cuamo, Shapiro, Fox News etc. Also there comment on lemmy suggesting similar. My comment was addressing that sentiment.
Check fake TV talking heads covering him, Cuamo, Shapiro, Fox News etc
Oh right, those leftists lmfao…
He also wrote this apparently. Unless it’s fake. I’m having trouble verifying it.
A lot of people are having trouble verifying it. I’m personally considering it fake until proven otherwise.
Would be super interested if anyone has a bead on the first share, 'cause it’s everywhere now.
That one has a few things about it that make it suspect. No way to definitively say it’s fake obviously, but stuff like the drive to the Aquarium, which would presumably be from Maryland to California, so like 40 hours straight worth of driving, being done by someone who had a bad back seems at least kinda unlikely. Like I said it’s not impossible it came from him, but I’d treat it as unlikely personally.
I don’t believe he wrote it. I don’t believe he did it. But I don’t disagree with what this obvious frame job says regardless.
o7
There goes my heroooo
I have my reservations about the klippenstein’s, but if he has the manifesto, why not post a scanned copy?
It was leaked as a transcription. Otherwise we would all be debating what the unintelligible words/passages are based on their appearance. People would be trying AI to decode it. (Likely, unsuccessfully)
Sounds like fanfic. If he can’t verify the authenticity then he lost all credibility
What reservations please? Not aware…
[indecipherable] is the new [redacted]
I suspect the second indecipherable is because they did not want to give the public a “name” to unite behind, kinda like how democrats started calling enemies “weird”.
Imagine if he called them “assholes” or smth, the public would latch onto that and use it as a rallying standard.
Not like we needed help calling them that, and his calling them “parasites” earlier seems at least slightly less generic and more cutting
I think it’s “4th”.
Watching whoever that dumb fuck who isn’t Jon Stewart latch on ONE LINE of this and mock him for being “not qualified” was the most pathetic showing of former satirical programming just being state propaganda i’ve seen in at least 4 days.
How long until someone uses the Hello Mario Framework or similar to build a game where Luigi battles US healthcare, pharma, and oil execs?
“Lock In, Luigi” or something, I’m thinking? Maybe “Luigi’s Ghost Gun Go-Round” or even something more akin to Duck Hunt? Hmm… “Greedy Fuck Hunt”?
Greedy Fuck Hunt 😂
That’s probably even easier to build, just a few mods to this:
https://github.com/MattSurabian/DuckHunt-JS
Is that 3 or 250 page copy?
Asking for a friend.
I have a weird feeling they are making this shot up as they go.
The info drip drives us where they want us talking at every turn.
Nobody is talking about the dead parasite or the corruption. I think they are looking for this to blow over.
Job is done, back to work peasants you got premiums to pay. Don’t ya?
Yeah this just sounds batshit
I don’t know what’s so suspicious. The manifesto’s pretty clear into the point and what I’d expect. Certainly not what I’d expect some leech to make up to make him look crazy.
Strong point it is pretty direct and to the point. Apparently reddit suppressing it.
I am not sure why even try, this the hotest piece of text content released in decades or century
If he posted under his Twitter account, he would prolly hit 10millie subs within few days lol
Eh, it’s really not all that exciting. It’s more a note to police with a brief motive outline than a manifesto. That’s not a diss. With the words on the casings the act was manifesto in and of itself. In fact I think this gives a much smaller character attack surface than a long rambling manifesto could.
Making it up? Lemme tell you a secret:
If you want to fight this the easiest way is to blow the man up into legend status. Create a martyr. Play their game. Imo at least.
I am starting to lose faith that Luigi is the Adjuster tbh
Media is working too hard to protray Luigi as him but so far if we look at verifable facts:
- parasites gets done in NYC
- five days letter they apprehend a young man in PA
- Who happens to have the entire conviction start park on his person (could easily be planted by them) along with that YouTube video which they could have easily done to spice things ip Up
- he has been missing for a few weeks allegedly and has had health issues (this part is where they set him up so viable lead)
But where is the evidence that he actually didn’t job?
Couldn’t help but notice you in several threads doubting everything. Don’t think you ever bought any of it. You sound conspiratorial
The reporting I saw stated it was a 250-some-odd WORD manifesto, not pages.
Ty… I could have mis read. Did anyone else see pages?
I’ve only seen 250 words stated. But all of those people could have been referencing the same incorrect source.
286, same as the amount of people he was following on twitter, distance the McDonald’s was from the scene, and the Pokémon index id of the one in his Twitter banner.
Proverb 28:6
Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways.
Luigi 1:7
Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming.
I guess it depends on how you count…
262 words here:
https://www.tmz.com/2024/12/10/luigi-mangione-manifesto-revealed/
Also 262 words:
https://www.mediaite.com/crime/heres-the-brief-manifesto-luigi-mangione-addressed-to-the-feds/
Using your methodology, Proverbs 26:2
As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.
Hmm… I never did like the King James version.
https://morningstarinfosys.com/proverbs/
As the sparrow escapes, and the swallow flies away, so the undeserved curse will never hit its mark.
Oh I was assuming based on all the other stuff.
Luigi Mangione had 286 Tweets
He posted a photo of the 286th Pokémon
His cousin follows 286 people on Twitter
The “denial code” 286 is when the appeal time limits for a healthcare claim are not met
He was caught at a McDonalds "286 miles away”
Seems odd to plan all that and stop 2 dozen words short.
86’d the CEO
That youtube video suggested DEC 11 something.
Also 286 preverbs also got a zinger message
I guess all of this could be a coincidence every high attention event generally some weird number and pattern. I am starting to think that if you look close enough there is always one.
You’re really having this conversation here…
… while simultaneously being part of the mod team that bans this source and topic in all the .world instances you moderate?
The link was removed from politics because a) we don’t allow blog posts, substack or otherwise and 2) It’s not political, it’s criminal. Belongs in News.
It was removed from World News because World News explicitly bars internal US News, which this is. World News exists to give news from other countries room to breathe.
I mean at this point it’s whatever, but I did post it in News originally. It got removed for not being a “reputable news source” based on the modlog, but the current post about it in the same community is from Gizmodo, which is fine, but the only source they have for the manifesto is literally this link.
I get that it’s on a substack, but just because a journalist publishes using substack and not some other web template (even though the site is their own URL, and the author is an independent journalist who worked at several fairly well known news orgs) doesn’t mean it’s not reputable. It just feels very arbitrary.
Also you guys clearly don’t seem to ban substack, since there are multiple posts currently up that have been posted a day ago in one case, and 16 hours ago in the other, one of which is literally also from ken klippenstein. So why is it fine sometimes but not othertimes? I don’t necessarily have an issue with a broad ban of any substack link (even though I personally think that would be kinda dumb), but that fact that it’s so inconsistently enforced isn’t good.
The problem with Substack, or Medium, or Blogger or any other blog site is that anyone can post anything. It’s not a news platform.
Rather than go through each blog and go “OK, who is THIS guy? What’s their deal?” we just go “Yeah, no.”
Allowing some but not others would be an even BIGGER headache, because then it’s clear Substack is fine for one person but not another.
The furthest two points in Altoona and NYC are no more than 240 mi apart.
This whole thing smells like horse shit. You hear so make stories about murderers ditching anything they had on them at the time of the crime. Rivers and lakes get dragged, forests are swept, every dumpster is turned upside down.
Yet, you’re going to tell me homie was 300 miles away carrying everything he had still on him from the crime AND a literal confession note? Are they sure he wasn’t waving air traffic controller sticks around on the freeway yelling, “IT WAS ME IT WAS ME”?
Could have had another target on the list but also plans to do a full reveal if caught
This is by far the best explanation why he still had his “materials” on him like the gun, fake ID, tons of cash, etc. He wasn’t done yet.
what about his book review?
He believes he’s a martyr. Time will tell.
I was wondering hard too. If i had done this, i wouldnt want this to be the end of it. Its not enough, nothing will change. None would do it again in the next 100yrs. I would try to make sure I did as much as I could.
Manifest in a time released something a week after I don’t reset the time (hence captured).guns n stuff hidden for the next job.
Out of interest, why do you think that?
It’s often said that school shootings are more prevalent because the media has hyped these people up to be martyrs, etching their names into history and being revered by those that agree.
Your country is no shortage of poor, ill whackos with easy access to weapons. If this Luigi dude does end up being charged, or perhaps even go through some legal fuckery because juries side with him against the word of law, what makes you think that someone in a similar situation doesn’t look at the next CEO on the list and shoot them in the back?
I’m actually surprised it took this long.
First off, I’m no murican, I just feel pity for them.l and cheered for Luigi. I am actually enjoying the best of healthcare for free.
I am also surprised it took that long, but still. I’m pretty sure it won’t happen again. And he will be put away for long and most likely not survive it. As to the why…it’s one thing to be a poor whacko with access to guns. It’s another thing to actually get mentally all the way to being at peace with ending your life basically, plan ahead and then even have the balls to actually pull the trigger. And even if, where are those people. You need to study their routine to find a good place to do it.
That’s probably why it’s so rare. The though-process to even get this far, the ethics to support it AND then the ability to act upon it.
Millions are pissed, but way too few fulfil the “requirements”. Probably even less after the example they might make of him.
At the very least it seems incongruous with leaving the state afterwards. If he was that fatalistic about being caught why didn’t he just use a normal gun and drop it afterwards while he waited for the cops? He literally made a suppressed weapon and had a complex exit plan. That doesn’t match up.
Unless he was planning on targeting more. Then keeping the firearm might make some sense, as well as a note in case he’s caught that would explain his actions whether he’d killed 1 or 20 health insurance leeches.
But on him?
It’s a gamble.
He could have done the math and thought if they were arresting him and going through his stuff, there was a good chance they would already have enough to hang him. While scattering the evidence would increase the odds of them finding something they could trace back to him.
Look at it this way - where do you keep your wallet? Do you leave it somewhere until you need it, or do you keep it on your person so you know exactly where it is at all times?
Being a tech guy, I was wondering if he had a deadman’s switch set up to release something if he didn’t make a check in. That’s probably how I would go about it.
There are stories making the rounds of a YouTube channel in his name with two videos. One was something along the lines of “if you’re setting this, I’m already captured”, the other was set to premiere but the account got removed before it was public
Sounds like a fake “confession” he was corrected into signing to me.
I think the word was coerced and got corrected to corrected. Just a heads up! Also agree with you.
Interesting read. However this turns out, not a huge fan of .world removing it, similar to the centralized sites you’d expect to suppress stuff. Stopped following their news thread for this reason as I don’t need my information moderated- can do that myself.
.world should not be removing articles from Ken Klippenstein. I detest the man for his methods and indiscretion (not necessarily in this instance), but he does post the facts as he receives them.
Thx for reminding me to delete my .world account.
I don’t see any facts in this article. I see a lot of statements with 0 evidence
Yeah, I don’t actually know too much about him, this is the first I’ve seen of him afaik (though I definitely could have read his stuff and not realized), but as far as I can tell he’s pretty consistent with factual reporting. It did strike me as weird it was removed, like I get it’s technically a substack page and all, but it’s not like some random guys blog, and it’s still the only reputable source for the full manifesto I’ve seen.
he is a credited gen y journalist, he deff tries to do proper reporting and he does stories on his own instead of most of other media who just shill whatever owner said to shill that day.
Amazing news on .world have no problem having endless corpo proaganda blasted on there shilling owner talking points. God forbid working class gets some critical news coverage though.
They remove anything that causes too much moderation to be needed. (By that I just mean reports people make on other comments)
To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country.
Interesting to point this out. This seems more like a liberal radicalized out of circumstance than a Marxist or Anarchist. I wonder what his course would have looked like had he channeled his energy into organizing and reading theory, would he have made the same decisions, or not?
You know… as common as it is to label and group and classify people online, I just don’t think that generally works the vast majority of the time.
Usually people acting for ideological reasons have ideological motivations.
Yeah based on his goodreads and other social media he’s definitely more of US style Libertarian or conservative. He tweeted some stuff about wokeness and DEI, some of the new athiesm junk about how athiests replace Christianity with worship of social issues, and seemed to like Elon Musk. He also didn’t seem to be fully committed to the ideology though, he had real criticisms of Jordan Peterson and he seemed to be an environmentalist. He honestly just kinda seems like a normal, if privileged, person. He has a mix of political ideas, some which don’t necessarily mesh, and is willing to criticize some of the people he agrees with.
But if anything him being someone who seemed to like CEOs, who grew up pretty wealthy, being radicalized by the industry is kinda a stronger message about how unless you’re one of the corporate elite you don’t matter to them.
Very few people fit neatly into a political label. We tend to be all over the place on political issues.
Definitely yeah, stuff like the political compass have been awful for nuance in discussions.
Yes and no. Among leftists, most do fit into fairly neat labels, because leftist ideology is that of consistent frameworks. Among liberals, there doesn’t need to be as much consistency because its the status quo and doesn’t need to be consistent ideologically.
I think it’s also the fact that there tends to be a ton of specific labels for different leftist subgroups too, stuff like anarcho-mutualism is similar but not the same as syndicalism, or blanket libertarian socialism, etc. That and the fact that most people will self identify as one of the moderate labels like conservative or centrist or liberal, and do so in spite of their beliefs, not because of them. People who reflect enough on their ideas and desired policies will tend to be a bit more consistent about them and the labels they use to describe them.
Not many people are pure leftists though. We all have our inherent biases based on things like social class, upbringing, religion, nationality, etc. Just because a consistent framework is there doesn’t mean people just fit so well into it.
The frameworks are consistent and have “correct” conclusions, which means over time individual biases erode into established tendencies.
Rarely. Humans can be very inconsistent due to their inherent biases and emotions. If what you say were true we would have been able to observe it take place by now.
We can and do, that’s why tendencies are well established.
That’s the funny thing about leftism being objectively logically and ethically correct. The framework of theory also consistently addresses those exact points and material conditions.
Do you have resources expanding on this? Beyond the communist manifesto?
0·16 days agoCowbee has an intro reading list: https://lemmy.ml/post/22417306
The anarchist library is pretty good if you’re interested in anarchist theory.
The FAQ is a great starting point, I’d recommend jumping around though, it’s easier to get specific answers than reading straight through imo.
The librarian picks would also probably be a good place to look, one of the recommendations there is Emma Goldman who is great.
Spoken like an OG D&D player 🤌🏼
US neo libertarians are taught by the Koch brothers to despise all government regulation and enforcement agencies, except those that keep poor people from taking rich people’s money
