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    but fundamentally, what’s going to be worse under Trump on that score

    More people will die, for starters. You act like once a genocide is started, it’s automatically seen through to full completion, which is not only ridiculous, but child-like magic thinking. Genocide is committed by people, in this case at the behest of their government. A government who, in this case, very much needs US support. A government who did not want to slam their foot on the gas while Biden was president because while he supported their genocide, he wasn’t an enthusiastic participant in it.

    Now, Trump’s going to be president. Trump is an enthusiastic participant in Israel’s genocide. So now Israel is free to floor it without having to worry about US support drying up, because they know that Trump and the Republican majority you imbeciles allowed to be voted into congress are into it.

    This means that more people are going to die. Probably a lot more. It also means that Palestinian refugees will have one fewer country to flee to, as there’s no way in fuck that they’ll be welcomed into the US with Trump as president.

    I personally think that more people dying is worse. But then I’m not a stupid, imbecilic monster like you. So fuck you, and fuck the other guy I responded to as well.

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      I’m not American, so our perspectives will always be different. From where the rest of the world is sitting, Americans have never given a tin shit about natural justice or respect for another country’s autonomy. You guys have been in the coup business for over a hundred years. How many governments have been overthrown because they weren’t compliant enough, not friendly enough to your corporate interests or simply standing in the way of your geopolitical ambitions? Pacific islands blown apart or outright stolen, dark money handed to murderous dictators, killer regimes installed and resources sucked away. Spare me the rationalism about one particular brand of domestic American politics being slightly less worse than the other. If your country is balls deep in the misery of what’s going on in Palestine already, there won’t be too many left to murder when Trump takes office in January.

      Coke or Pepsi, feller.

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        You have already established that you are uniquely unqualified to have an opinion on the matter. You are, as you say, not an American.

        I say this not to point out that you don’t have eyes, or that you don’t pay attention to world politics. More that you don’t see the full picture that Americans see. While I completely disagree with your assessment as regards Palestine, I concede that both Democrats and Republicans are pro-genocide. It is simply a difference of degree. It is the entire rest of the picture that you seem to be missing. You do not seem to acknowledge the tremendous threat another Trump administration poses to those Americans who are non-heterosexual, non-male, non-white, and non-cis. I promise you that I am not being hyperbolic or alarmist in my discourse here. If you are unable to find hundreds of alarming things on every single one of those fronts with a simple google search, I would be happy to provide a handful of sources for you.

        America has not had a good choice for leaders for a long time. Harm reduction has been the name of the game for as long as I’ve been alive, and that is a long damn time. Choosing Trump for president is maximizing harm, end of story. And I will fight anybody who says otherwise.

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          How American of you to assume that I am unqualified to have an opinion about the US supporting a genocide in the Middle East. Should the rest of the world just look the other way?

          Nobody is arguing that Trump isn’t a disaster. However, your country elected the bastard, so it’s fundamentally your fucking problem. A problem you guys are also inflicting on the rest of us.

          Having said that, I agree with many of the points you are making.

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            How American of you to assume that I am unqualified to have an opinion about the US supporting a genocide in the Middle East.

            That’s not what I said. I understand that you are extremely stupid, and so your reading comprehension is probably extremely poor. My apologies for using big words. But yes - that is not at all what I said, and if you get someone who is able to read above a 6th grade level to read what I wrote and explain it to you in simple terms, I’m sure you will agree.

            Nobody is arguing that Trump isn’t a disaster. However, your country elected the bastard, so it’s fundamentally your fucking problem. A problem you guys are also inflicting on the rest of us.

            I agree that Trump is a disaster, and that Americans are shitheads for electing him. That was the point I was making this entire time. You moron. You got all butthurt because I suggested that Trump is worse than Biden. He is. In every single conceivable metric. So what the fuck are you arguing about?

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              What’s with all the personal insults? Seriously, are you 11 years old?

              Either that or you might be a new recruit from Reddit. If that’s the case, welcome friend. We try not to do that shit over here. 😀

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                What’s with all the personal insults?

                Well, 1 - you deserve them, and 2 - I have zero respect for you as a person. If it was possible to have negative respect for someone, I would have negative respect for you.

                Edit: also, it seems pretty fucking obvious that you are also the owner of the @antiy4nks44@lemmings.world, which hilariously just got banned for trolling.

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      You voted for a genocide apologist and your country and tax dollars are paying for the bombs that killed my friends in lebannon.

      You do not give a shit about foreigners and you were ready to throw them under the bus in exchange for your own safety.

      If there was any justice Biden would be on an electric chair for conspiracy to commit genocide, and so is Trump.

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        You do not give a shit about foreigners and you were ready to throw them under the bus in exchange for your own safety.

        I’m sorry if this comes off as offensive, but I really want to know: precisely how stupid are you? This is not a rhetorical question. I legitimately want to know how fucking stupid you are so that I can formulate an appropriate response.

        The reason I ask is because you seem to be suggesting that Donald Trump is somehow less bad for Palestinians than Joe Biden is. This is a conclusion that can only be reached if you are completely oblivious to reality, or lack the IQ necessary to drink from a straw. So which is it, in your case?

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          Yeah resort to insult you fkn monster go kill yourself you genocidal bitch I’m very sorry your fav genocider lost but you’re a scumbag.

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            Right. Which is why you are completely unqualified to comment. I’m glad we agree. Now kindly go fuck yourself.

            Edit: also, how is Donald Trump being worse for Palestinians than Joe Biden in any way “domestic politics”? I take it from that response that you are, in fact, extremely stupid.

            It could also be that you are slickgoat on an alt account, and you replied to the wrong comment from the wrong account. That, of course, leads to the exact same conclusion: that you are extremely stupid. But that’s just a guess.

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              This place is called world news, idiot. The american president is guilty of genocide, it doesn’t matter who’s doing the butchering. We should bomb new york.