Divesting Android is still on the table.
      • Showroom7561@lemmy.caEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Um, that wouldn’t change if Google “sells Chrome”, though.

        Firefox uses Google Search as a default, so does every Samsung phone (and most other Android devices).

        Unless the DOJ is telling everyone not to implement a default search engine (and let the user decide upon first opening the browser), then who owns Chrome really doesn’t change much.

        Other remedies the government is asking the court to impose include prohibiting Google from offering money or anything of value to third parties — including Apple and other phone-makers — to make Google’s search engine the default,

        This is the only thing that makes sense, but “sell Chrome” is a laughable request.

        • themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Alright then I’ll do you one better:

          Google regularly abuses their market share dominance in browsers in order to push for changes to web standards that benefit them, such as their web integrity api (which would have prevented blocking ads). This is monopolistic behavior, and the largest ad company on the planet shouldn’t get to decide web standards.

          As a side note: both firefox and Samsung are paid handsomely (just like apple) to have Google as a default search engine. This also is monopolistic behavior, if you built a better product than them then you couldn’t outspend them to get to the same position.

          • Showroom7561@lemmy.caEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Oh, yeah, don’t get me wrong, Google is highly unethical, and I avoid any and all Google related products whenever possible.

            Selling Chrome, however, doesn’t really stop them from doing damage.

            The part about not allowing them to bribe pay other companies to use their search is a much better idea.

            And regarding their influence over the internet… we need stronger regulation to prevent any company from having that much control over an essential service.

  • 200ok@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Kent Walker, says the DOJ is pushing “a radical interventionist agenda that would harm Americans and America’s global technology leadership.”

    I’m honestly curious how this would “harm Americans”.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      1 month ago

      …a radical interventionist agenda…

      That language seems very “Trump-esque”, and I doubt it is a coincidence.

    • webghost0101@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Google pretending they have any other nationality other then “the global internet” is cute in a disgusting way.

      • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I refuse to call any Billionaires Americans. A billionaire in America has far more in common with a billionaire in Ireland or France than with working class Americans. They don’t use our schools, drink our water, drive our roads, or rely on our safety nets. They don’t take out the trash, do their laundry, wait 6 months for a doctor’s appointment, or stress over defunding their retirement to pay for needed medication.

        Billionaire involvement in politics should be considered foreign interference. Of course AIPAC is foreign interference too, but apparently that’s not a problem either.

      • Beldarofremulak@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Everyone really does need to have that at the forefront of their mind. When the C-suit, wall street, and politicians talk about “Americans” they aren’t talking about us schlubs.

    • nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyzEnglish
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      1 month ago

      How does chrome make money? It uses ads from Google, chrome on it’s own is not a business.

      Say you buy chrome, you have to options

      1. Ads built into chrome itself (when you’re in the settings menu, homepage, reading a PDF, playing the dino game)

      2. Force your own default search engine, or get a company like Google or Bing to pay you for the privilege of being a default search engine.

      Neither of these options are better than the status quo

    • superkret@feddit.orgEnglish
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      1 month ago

      The same ruling would ban Google from paying other browsers to make Google the default search engine.
      This would kill Firefox and make Chromium the only browser engine that’s left.

  • rockSlayer@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 month ago

    They should force it to become a worker cooperative. It’s the only solution that doesn’t allow for corruption

      • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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        1 month ago

        For a lot of things yes.

        However I do not want to use a browser developed by the US gov tyvm

        • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          My comment is more in line with the corruption aspect. As much as I think they deserve it, giving it to the employees would be more akin to them winning the lottery. In the space of a year, they will have gone public, shareholders would have stormed in and we would be at square one.

          Nationalisation at least has a chance of getting rid of the money corruption aspect. Sadly, the three letter agencies are probably deep in every browser already so I don’t think any solution takes care of that.

          I understand your point though. Personally, I will never use chrome no matter what happens, ha.

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Yep, nationalize everything that’s essential or at least offer a nationalized alternative and let the private sector try to compete.

        • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          I literally salivate at the thought of it happening to the telecom industries.

  • 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    1 month ago

    The Reuters article suggests prohibiting payments to Apple so that Chrome users on their hardware default to Google search. What about default settings to Firefox? Similar agreements finance a large portion of Mozilla’s revenue.

  • Bosht@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Just…please for the love of whatever dirty do Microsoft. Fucking sick of their shit recently with One Drive.

      • Bosht@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Man the Linux propaganda is STRONG on Lemmy. I’ll say what I’ve said before: I use my computer for gaming, web browsing, and managing a media server for my family that hosts pictures and other things. If those 3 things can be done easily without issue on a Linux distro without having to fuck around with configs every time I want to do something, I’m all in. By what I’ve heard though it’s just not there yet. I am super happy Steam decided to go Linux for their Steamdeck though as I’ve heard thats helped make monumental strides the right direction. Trust me, I want to. Large part of it is I worked tech support for over a decade and having to troubleshoot my own shit is like the furthest thing I want to deal with haha

        • ouch@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          If you can live without games having invasive anticheat, then everything should be doable, and probably a lot easier than in Windows.

          • Bosht@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Yeah not really into multiplayer competitive games. Indo play a lot of co op though. Will have to find a list somewhere.

            • hangonasecond@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              1 month ago

              Proton DB is the place to go. But I don’t check 99% of games I play, unless it’s going to be an expensive purchase and I want to check before I buy. I also don’t bother with people’s suggested tweaks on proton db unless I actually personally experience issues. The only game I’ve had to tweak so far has been cyberpunk 2077.

              Edit: added context, I’m on 2 monitors and one of them is an ultrawide. Never had any issues that aren’t similar to issues I’ve experienced on Windows in the past.

        • Alk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Hey I will give my anecdotal recent experience. Several months ago I switched to Pop! OS and have had basically no issues. I have an Nvidia GPU and I play a lot of games. I don’t play any games that are blocked by anti cheat (not because I can’t, I just don’t happen to play the few that are blocked).

          I spent the first day getting everything signed in, installed, set up and tweaked to how I like it with very minimal terminal usage. Mostly gui and clicking.

          Steam+Proton along with lutris makes it easy to play any game for me.

          Side note: I have 4 monitors of varying resolution, size, orientation and refresh rate and it hasn’t caused problems other than the initial setup (I used cursr to help with this)

          • Bosht@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Oh God I didn’t even think about monitors. I only have one but it’s the stupid big ultra wide by Samsung. I honestly play most games in windowed. Wondering if there’s resolution support on the actual os though. The rest is like…5120 x something.

        • Laurel Raven@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Just going to say, I do those things too, on Linux, and while I can’t say I never have to mess with config files, it’s not frequent. And, the computer acting like it’s my computer rather than on loan from a megacorp is nice.

          It’s not all the way there yet but it’s so very close and the bits that are still pain points aren’t nearly as bad as the pain points of Windows.

          As the other commenter said, you should give it a serious try. Mint is very smooth overall.

        • Zink@programming.devEnglish
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          1 month ago

          You owe it to yourself to try it out! I recommend dual booting into Linux Mint Cinnamon for a while and have your windows install to fall back on to. That or one of the gaming-specific distributions, but from what I’ve seen Mint does all with gaming too. It’s a good all-around starting place, and there are a lot of resources because it’s popular and built off of the most popular distro. I installed it on my work machine (software engineering) and I’ve felt no lack of capability or a need to switch to a more “hardcore” distro.

          • Bosht@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Thanks! Appreciate the type up and suggestion. I’ll add it to my list of ones to try out.

      • Bosht@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        On corp side and personal if you don’t have One Drive setup MS will spam notifications to set it up, and when you go to save will try to default to One Drive as opposed to local.

    • micka190@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I feel like Trump’s probably going to axe whoever is finally tackling these monopolies, unfortunately.

    • net00@lemm.eeEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Yeah, Google pays other companies lots of money to have its search engine enabled by default. That’s what the lawsuit argued, so I’m not sure how separating chrome from the company will change that…

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        1 month ago

        It has massive market share and uses Google search by default. If another company owns the browser, they’ll likely change the default search engine, and since almost nobody changes the defaults, it’ll eat away at Google’s marketshare.

        For example, Microsoft would be pretty interested in buying it to promote Bing search. Edge is already based on Chromium, so they could reuse their existing teams to offer support for it.

  • Optional@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 month ago

    What the what?

    “sell your browser, that’ll limit your search monopoly”

    . . . HAH?

      • Optional@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        So it is on firefox as well . . ? And also with Edge, for those poor bastards.

        Why not just force them to pick a different default? Or something meaningful like splitting them out of Alphabet entirely? Or stop sucking? Okay, well that last one may be hard to administrate.

        • asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          It is on FF and Edge because Google pays them a ton of money. Every person who chooses Chrome instead of FF is more money for Google because they don’t need to pay themselves to make Google the default.

          • Optional@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            A fair point, though “a ton of money” is essentially 1% of their net profits for the year. Selling Chrome to someone who gets another .5% is not going to do anything at all.

  • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Ehh just fight it for a month pay king trump some money and bam their golden.

  • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    1 month ago

    There’s literally so much else they should do, google docs, sheets, drive, phones, maps, earth, calendar, play store, translate, etc.
    Good work, continue please.

    • Kbobabob@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      What is the issue with docs, sheets, drive, phones, calendar, play store?

      There seems to be plenty of options in all of these spaces. Play store isn’t even on a lot of android devices.

      • BenLeMan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Correct. My example for another necessary intervention would be YouTube. That’s a space in which Google does have a monopoly.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Exactly. There are workable alternatives to most of the others, but YouTube has a stranglehold on that type of content due to the network effect. Examples of alternatives:

          • docs/sheets/drive - Microsoft Office 365, OnlyOffice, or self-host LibreOffice Online (through Collabora CODE builds); if you just need drive, there’s also BackBlaze, AWS, DropBox, etc
          • phones - I use GrapheneOS on their Pixel devices, but plenty of other Android phones support LineageOS/DivestOS/CalyxOS
          • calendar - still looking for a replacement for my smart watch, but I’ve been using my Nextcloud install; there are also some FOSS calendars that support CalDav as well, so look around
          • maps - I’ve been using Organic Maps, which has been great; main problem is searching for addresses, but if it’s in there, the directions so far have worked fine; there’s also Apple maps, Bing maps, and probably some others
          • translate - it’s built in to Firefox, and it seems to work well enough in a pinch

          But there’s really not much for YouTube. I guess there’s Odyssee, Rumble, and a few others, but they don’t have anywhere near the content as YouTube, so they’re not really practical alternatives. I actually sub to Nebula which is the closest to a replacement so far, but there’s still a ton of content that doesn’t have a direct replacement there.

          • Brodysseus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Off topic, but how do you like graphene? I am thinking of making the switch on a pixel 7a, but I have a fear it’ll be like having Linux on my phone where things randomly don’t work and then I have the hobby where I make it work

            • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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              1 month ago

              I really like it, but I also mostly use F-Droid apps. You can install Google Play in the regular app sandbox, which prevents the worst of the issues andn provides most of the benefits.

              That said, there are still some caveats:

              • NFC payments don’t work - I use a Pixel watch instead, which works fine (it’s paired to a separate profile on my phone with Google Play installed)
              • some banking apps don’t work (some check if your phone OS is stock)
              • some apps just don’t work without Google Play services running (e.g. the Sensi app for my smart thermostat), and some have issues even with it running

              But other than that, it works pretty well! I have three profiles set up:

              • Owner - default, with no Google Play
              • Work - handful of work apps using my work Google account
              • Google - apps that require Google Play, using a fresh Google account

              I’m using a Google Pixel 8, and it does what I need it to do.