Call for ceasefire in Gaza receives 14 votes in favour, with Washington being the lone veto

The measure received 14 votes in favour, with the US the sole member to reject it. However, because the US is a permanent member of the council, it has the ability to veto any resolution brought forward

Unlike several previous resolutions regarding a ceasefire in Gaza, Wednesday’s measure was brought forward by all 10 elected members of the Security Council.

The US has vetoed four previous attempts at calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, on most occasions being the lone vote against the measures.

  • maplebar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 days ago

    There is no “justice” in any circumstances in which the hostages are not immediately returned.

    Then, reach a deal for the hostages, like the ones Netanyahu has repeatedly shot down.

    So you’re literally just confirming this:

    So in your imagination Israel unilaterally stops fighting against Hamas while (a) Hamas continues to hold civilians hostage, doing all manners of physical and psychological torture to people who only happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and (b) Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and tribal gangs continue to wage attacks against Israel? And then (and only then), Israel comes back to the negotiating table with Hamas once again for yet another round of negotiations to try to free the hostages, only for Hamas to decide to move the goalposts?

    You must have read “Art of the Deal”.

    • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
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      3 days ago

      Explain why Israeli lives matter more than Palestinian lives. Like, be precise.

      • maplebar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 days ago

        Who said they are? Only you so far.

        You should be more precise with your weird, non sequitur questions.

        • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
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          3 days ago

          You keep only talking about 97 Israelis when tens of thousands of Palestinians are dead and countless other are maimed, injured, starved, disposessed. You obviously value those 97 lives more than any of that. Explain why.

          • maplebar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 days ago

            It’s cynical and frankly fucking disgusting that you view human lives as nothing more than numbers.

            Is this just numbers to you? Is that how you quantify the value of human life?

            If so, you are beyond help and reasoning.

            Nothing can be done for the thousands of people on both sides of this conflict who have been tragically killed in a pointless war, but that does no mean that the people who can be saved right now, today, shouldn’t be. I want the immediate release of the hostages, because 1 innocent person taken hostage and tortured for months in an injustice to people everywhere. I want a ceasefire because 1 innocent person killed in a pointless holy war is an injustice to people everywhere.

            The real question, and the one to which I can only guess your disgusting answer, is why you don’t…

            • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
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              3 days ago

              Two scenarios for what happens TONIGHT.

              Scenario 1, no ceasefire: the genocide continues, several Palestinians die tonight. The hostages remain hostages. No chance of release. They might get bombed by mistake even.

              Scenario 2, no-deal ceasefire: genocide ends, no Palestinians die tonight. The hostages remain hostages. No chance of them being killed by mistake. A chance for a political settlement where they get released.

              Do you see the fucking difference?

              • maplebar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                3 days ago

                Scenario 3, hostages freed as part of ceasefire deal: fighting stops, hostages freed.

                You wouldn’t think it was acceptable that “the hostages remain hostages” if they were people you cared about. Do you not see the fucking difference?

                The scenario that will ultimately win is Scenario 1, the hostages will not be released and the war will continue. It’ll only get worse when Trump gets into office, so sit back and enjoy existing in the calm before the storm.

                • acargitz@lemmy.caEnglish
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                  3 days ago

                  Israel can enact Scenario 2 unilaterally, immediately, tonight, regardless of what Hamas thinks, wants, or does. Tonight. Right now. EDIT: And before you smarmily say that Hamas can also release the hostages unilaterly, a reminder that Israel is conducting a genocide (the generals’ plan) in Northern Gaza, regardless of what Hamas does. EDIT2: And also let’s not forget that Israel makes claims of being a democratic western country, whereas Hamas is a totalitarian islamist bag of shits. So no, they are not the fucking same.

                  You keep putting hostages being ALIVE hostages above Palestinian kids being DEAD kids.

                  And by the fucking way, my dude, Israel is holding thousands of Palestinian hostages as well. Anything to say about those? Ostensibly, the only rational part of Sinwar’s otherwise deranged “masterplan” was to do a hostage exchange. Do Palestinian hostages matter to you, my dude? Any pearl clutching for the kids in “administrative detention” or “convicted” by IDF military kangaroo courts with 99% conviction rates?

      • maplebar@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 days ago

        If you could argue against what I said you wouldn’t resort to putting words in my mouth, mate.

        And if you could read you would know that both Israelies and Palestinians are the “local population” with somewhat dubious historic claims over the land spanning back >3000 years.

        Need I remind you that it was the British that drew the maps that have lead us to where we are today?