“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.
“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”
“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.
“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”
“BLASTS!”
I mean yeah, but what about “SLAMS” or “RIPS INTO”?
Agreed usually any post with any of these words in the title just immediately pisses me off lol
A good suplex may at least get readers’ attention.
“Bernie Sanders DESTROYS the Democratic Party FROM THE TOP ROPE following Harris loss.” would get my attention.
BY GAWD THE DNC IS (rhetorically) TORN IN HALF!
Jesus Christ still more sharp than Trump or Biden. We got fuckin robbed, man.
Yes. But this is not news… We’ve known this for years.
Yeah. The Democrats really screwed the pooch on that one. He’s a solid candidate, and has stood on his moral stance from before the Democrats recognized the issues that are now popular.
Sorely needed, sorely missed.
Twice too.
Thrice you might say, considering we could have had a primary this time too but for Biden’s hubris
I’m not sure he would have ran again even if Biden stepped down in the most graceful way possible to be honest. The second time he ran I remember him saying a large part of why he did was because people kept telling him how much they felt the country needed him, while he himself was having doubts on his ability to fill the office in his age, or weighing the amount of stress it would bring, and even looking at his vote totals and wondering if the country even wanted him as president. He’s gotta be tired, and my take on Sanders these past 8 years is if Trump didn’t exist he’d have been a happily retired grandpa, and he’s just trying to do whatever he thinks has the best chance to stop Trump and American Fascism in general. This perspective seems to make a lot of things line up including this verbal thrashing of his. He does have access to communication with top democratic play-makers, who knows how long hes been telling them something like this.
He specifically said he wouldn’t iirc.
I must have missed that but I believe it.
https://apnews.com/article/bernie-sanders-biden-endorsement-2024-d8f0772b117e2bf83e1062708ea651c0
On Tuesday, he said that he would not run and he discouraged any another high-profile progressive candidates from doing so either.
Robbed twice, still tries to help people. Can’t say that about most politicians.
Now is about the time of year I remember to say “Fuck Debbie Wasserman Shultz”
Still upset she moved up in positioning in the party. Genuinely feels like she cheated and won with zero consequences.
She’s probably on AIPAC payroll. Can’t upset America’s boss.
AIPAC gave her more than 400k this year alone.
geez you weren’t kidding
Several other Democrats who voted to censure Tlaib were among the top recipients of AIPAC funds in November, including Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz ($141,058) (link)
and that was in January. If it’s any consolation, the evil is slowly draining her life away it seems.
2016 :
2023:
Genuinely feels like she cheated and won with zero consequences.
Seems like that’s going around a lot these days.
We need to MAGA up the liberals. They think liberals were insufferable before, we about had enough of this establishment bullshit.
I’m pretty sure that’s what we were trying to do back in 2016, but it was her turn.
Check reddit and .world and you’ll see the people doing that.
Nah, I’m good. Been punk rock long enough to know it’s just gonna be the thing to hate. Just planning in my head how the subversion works this time. I just hope they tear it ALL down this time and stop f’ing around.
Yeah dude so punk rock man!
Jesus fucking Christ we are all doomed
No
Ngl, Neoliberal Populism sounds bad.
Authoritarian Left sounds bad too, but it would nice if they executed the rule of law instead of making excuses to remain politically neutral.
It’s sucks so bad. So fucking bad.
I don’t know about MAGA, but the Democratic party definitely needs to go hard into the same kind of obstructionism that the Republicans have been doing. No validation of insane policies, no negotiating with terrorists.
And when everyone accuses the Democrats of not cooperating, they need to just stay quiet and stay the course. For the next four years, the legislature is closed.
No. Don’t stay quiet. Blame the Republicans!
I saw on one of the newscasts on election night that the overturning of Chevron deference is going to come back to kneecap the whole GOP agenda because they’ll have to pass all their (de)regulatory changes through Congress which will be, as you say, closed.
Republicans can be evil and Democrats work with them an compromise on killing half of them.
Democrats consider maybe paying postal workers and Republicans stop it and cry how it’s unconstitutional to have people paid for their labor.
If the Democrats got a spine and told Republicans “Just shut up, you complained about breaking segregation.” And get things done, we’d be a fucking utopia.
I don’t buy this. In Nebraska there was an election between an independent union leader and a career politician. The union leader lost.
The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
don’t worry, we’ll replay that record again in a year while they blame biden again
The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
What consensus is saying this? Outside of Latino men and first time voters shifting to Trump, most analysis (so far) is that the Democrats lost around 10-15 million votes from 2020, compared to Trump losing only 2 million. If all the Dems/Undecideds moved to Trump, he would have not lost voters.
What was the Red vs Blue turnout in Nebraska in 2020 vs 2024, I bet that would go a long way to explain why the union leader lost.
Agreed. That “consensus” is another bs talking point to cover up that they yet again alienated their own voters to appease their masters.
In Nebraska
Uh, that’s your answer. It’s not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds, but in a presidential election that’s by default 50/50?
If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win? This isn’t magic or rocket science. Many people thought democrats were responsible for the high inflation because they don’t know macro economics.
I think what’s missing is the anger. Trump can tap into anger. Bernie could also. The independent didn’t have the base of anger that the GOP did
Anger definitely motivated some but I know many moderates that were convinced democrats were responsible for the inflation.
But they were right! Dems did contribute to inflation (not as much as Trump but still)…Student loan forgiveness not explicitly tied to higher taxes on rich and corps, cutting back on subsidies to defense, oil, and corn syrup, while also not breaking up monopolies which create an environment of price gouging gave merit to the “democrats give out free cash and devalue it all”
Democrats did cause inflation. They did it by not clipping the wings of our oligarchs when supplying aid.
Biden kept his promise “nothing will fundamentally change” and the American electorate unimpeachably rejected it.
The main thing with Sanders campaign was it didn’t feel like a “democrats” vs “republicans”
It was us vs the billionaires
But the DNC could never bear to alienate their biggest donors.
Biden was calling out price gouging throughout his whole presidency.
Harris lost this election because she said she was going to tax the billionaires and so they funded the campaign against her.
For you to throw her under the bus after the billionaires campaigned against her is just going to ensure no future politicians will challenge the billionaire class again.
Harris had more billionaire donors than Trump and she out-raised him almost by $700 million. Of course there was plenty of dark money floating around and Musk dropped a ton of money into Pennsylvania, but don’t act as if Biden and Harris were working class darlings. Calling out price gouging is all good and well, and realistically, there’s only so much the president can do legally to combat inflation, but he did have the bully pulpit and a little bit of lip service to price gouging was not enough obviously. He could’ve been out there daily essentially doxing these companies and their ceos putting the fear of God in them.
Populism is a dirty word to the establishment, but both Trump and Bernie are populists. In fact, the first part of their message is essentially the same: America is going to shit, the Economy is terrible, and you’re getting fucked. The difference, of course, is that Trump points the finger at immigrants and others as the reason why this happening, while Bernie points the finger at the Oligarchs. The true power of populism is the threat of using the majority against the minority. It’s why it can lead to violence and mob rule.
People want someone to pay for the pain they are feeling, Trump is doing that, although of course it’s completely misguided and fucked up. The Democrats are not willing to do that. At some point, they’re going to need a Teddy Roosevelt like figure who comes along and essentially says them, hey listen I know it’s crazy but if we don’t do something about the wealth equality and the ruling class, we’re all gonna get our heads chopped off.
If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win?
He had the albatross of a poor up-ballot candidate around his neck. Same reason most Democrats lost: The party didn’t get people to go out and vote because they didn’t appeal to workers, which hurt every candidate that wasn’t Republican.
Voters are literally saying it was because of inflation during Biden presidency.
Democrats lost because they planned to tax the billionaire class so the billionaires funded the campaign against them.
Except Democrats outspent Republicans by a large margin. This wasn’t an election lost from a lack of donations.
Donations are on the books. Things like Elon Musk buying votes are not on the books. The billionaire class did not want Harris to tax them.
It’s not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds
Sorry, I guess I should have said this twice. You don’t win Nebraska just by touching up the progressive message a little. Propaganda still exists, party loyalty still exists, racism still exists. But he did a hell of a lot better than any slow and steady liberal candidate would do. And in races that aren’t in deep red states, doing better is enough to win.
Why are you still here? The election is over, you got what you wanted. Just fucking leave.
First of all, it is hard to beat career politicians. They have a track record, experience. Second, you’re in Nebraska. Third, and most importantly, the goal is not for a single person to win, but to build a strong organization that will make people’s lives better, and that would over time get more people to vote, because they would understand that it matters.
In other words, big corporate Democrats are mediocre at best, and often much worse than that, so of course people stay home. But if you think they’re the wave of the future, hey, do whatever you like.
First of all, it is hard to beat career politicians.
This counters what Bernie said.
Second, you’re in Nebraska.
I’m not in Nebraska. Just giving one of many examples of politicians that support the working class losing because of the billionaire class.
Third, and most importantly, the goal is not for a single person to win, but to build a strong organization that will make people’s lives better, and that would over time get more people to vote, because they would understand that it matters.
Scapegoating the democrats that tried to tax the billionaire class prevents this from happening.
But if you think they’re the wave of the future, hey, do whatever you like.
I don’t think they’re the wave of the future. I think the billionaire class countered Harris because they didn’t want to be taxed like she laid out in her plans and now people are trying to scapegoat them, ensuring it will be less likely that the next person will try it again. Just like the billionaire class wants.
because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
yeah, that’s problem all around the world, people are too dumb to understand how two years of covid and ongoing war in europe affects our lives and demand that someone just takes care of it.
so in a year we will get populist pro-russian billionaire prime minister who will just start dropping more inflation money around and tells people “see? i will take care of you!” (while stealing some of these money for himself, of course)
And Harris was too stupid to just come out and say that she’d do that. Not Trump though. See that huge sign behind him at rallies? “Trump will fix it”.
The dem strategy should have been to bombast like Trump, but more. Make America greatER. Would have really taken the wind or of his sails, IMO.
yeah, i don’t think that trying to out-idiot an idiot is valid strategy, especially if you don’t aim at stupid voters.
Rare Bernie L. You absolutely can blame the non voters. They are just as bad as every MAGA voter.
Blaming the poor is a cool and fun take. If you willing want to blame those for which voting is actually a burden then you are the problem.
The people who didnt vote and therefore chose fascism are the problem
The people who are already being subjugated by the system, yeah you are wrong and your take is dangerous and enabling of the system.
Fuck the people who sacrifice the entire planet because they think the system is unfair so they just chose to allow fascism. I hope project 2025 fucks them more than the systwm ever did
The poor have a lot less to lose than you do. This isn’t going to change much for them, so it was on people like you to convince them to vote. Promising nothing besides “Not Trump” isn’t going to cut it. Try actually helping them for a change instead of blaming them and then wishing they get fucked, you god damned psychopath.
Then the poor deserve what is coming. They chose it. They chose the downfall of democracy and will lose all rights. Maybe they will be used in labor camps. Wouldnt put it past Trump to just use them for their organs. I wont feel pity because they chose it.
I only feel bad for those who made the right choice and voted against fascism. Hope they manage to get out. The non voters can suffer.
So, just curious,what’s your plan to replace the voters? Are you just bitching, or does this lead somewhere? It seems to me that even if the voters are the problem, we need candidates capable of inspiring them to act differently.
Bad take. Lots of Bernie voters turned redipped after the DNC shafted Bernie. Blame the oligarchy
I blame the Bernie voters, actually. The ones who knew better but didn’t vote out of spite.
Yes Draedron, you can. But you’ve already established your genocidal credentials. The rest of us will continue to mop up the mess you, harris/biden, and the dnc made as usual.
You are the one who picked the fascist by not voting. You are the one who gave power to someone who will worseb the genocide against Palestinians, Ukrainians and enables the coming genocide against Taiwanese people.
Agree
🤷 my vote was available, 20 million other votes were available, I showed up, I begged you, harris, biden, the dnc, my reps all year to stop a genocide. I warned you. My state went for harris, as I told you it would. but I fucking warned you what was about to happen.
I. Told. You. What. Was. About. To. Happen. you, like an ostrich, buried your head in the sand and sang ‘lalala evil.’ Now you’re lashing out as if you didn’t choose this.
You. Choose. This. The only person you have to blame is yourself and those mentioned above.
Your willingness to support a genocidal candidate above everything CHOOSE THIS.
Your willingness to play holier than thou and demand other people vote for a genocidal candidate CHOOSE THIS.
Your willingness to put corporate well being over american well being well being CHOOSE THIS.
Its okay to admit you made a mistake, say it after me: ‘I did this. me. but next time I will do better’
Whatever you have to tell yourself to get through the day, guy.
shrug Im handling this just fine. Ive been expecting it for the last two months watching harris campaign. Im mostly picking up the pieces in my local community and helping them get through their grief.
Your bunch on the other hand should probably go touch some grass. It’ll help I promise.
shrug Im handling this just fine.
Lol you fucking clown, he’s not president yet. Revisit this thought in 6 months to a year.
You chose this by not voting. You think democracy and fascism are the same so you chose not to vote and risk fascism taking over. You caused this. And you will now see that fascism is not preferrable to democracy. Dont come and expect empathy. You are responsible for this by not voting for democracy.
But I am glad you admitted in your final sentence you made a mistake. Its too late now though. Your country will go down in flames thanks to your decision
You keep saying that, but I voted; just not in the manner you wanted because I don’t support genocides under any circumstances.
again you chose this. you were warned. people told you. no amount of assertions by you will change these facts. when someone tells you what they’re going to do you should believe them.
You threw your vote away like every non voter.
You heard what Trump will do and decided not to vote against him because you dont mind fascism. You chose this and you will suffer the hardest consequenceq. I wont. You chose fascism over democracy for something that will not change no matter the outcome. Something that will get even worse now. With Harris Palestinians would have a chance of survival. You took that chance away from them. Their blood is on your hands. The blood of your fellow countrymen and women who will die due to Trumps policies is on your hands.
Keep telling yourself that. You’ve seen the results of your position. Its a losing position. Your inability to self reflect will lead you to continuously repeating the same mistakes as you’ve done here.
This loss had literally nothing to do with Gaza.
Keep telling yourself that. Gaza was a component, as was inflation, and middle class woes. Harris lost 25 electoral votes in Michigan and Wisconsin alone.
Two states with heavy arab demographics. Oops! All so Israel can genocide. 🎉
Yes yes, the unmitigated genocidal campaign of indiscriminate bombings targeting all food, water, and medical infrastructure has gone on for over a year. Over one year of imminent famine. Doesn’t that raise any concern in your mind that either your facts or your calculus could be wrong?
Hows that straw doing? still fresh I hope? pliable? I feel like the legs you made were a little thin. You sure it’ll stand?
Are you trying to assert Israel isn’t committing genocide? I’m not particularly interested in discussing the semantics of a genocide with a nobody like yourself. suffice to say, yes I’m confident in my calculus that harris’ position on gaza cost her 25 electoral votes.
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That’s some nonsense from Bernie. Unions have fared better under Biden than any President for decades, and Bernie knows it. This is posturing image-burnishing for the naive; you think Bernie doesn’t market himself to all the young progressives? Then, when the cameras are off, he turns into a garden-variety Democrat, voting solidly with this elitist-run party every time, without pouting and making protest votes or anything like that.
Dems gave up on the working class after nafta and have stayed that way ever since
Not under Biden.
Clinton fucked the party over with NAFTA, and sided with big business. Biden did not: Biden did more for workers and the working class than any other President since FDR.
But he doesn’t get credit for it, because people don’t pay attention. They remember he ordered the railroad workers back to work, and say it proves he’s anti-labor. They didn’t really follow up on the fact that a few weeks later, his administration helped get them the new contract that gave them more paid sick days than they had originally asked for. But the story was long out of the news by then.
I can’t stand idiot liberals who don’t read past headlines and drift with the news wind.
That’s a pretty dishonest description of Bernie. I don’t dare to say if your statement about unions is true, and it might as well be, but what Bernie is saying here is that it’s not enough. He’s arguing the democrats need to be more progressive. Feel free to disagree with his suggestion though.
I do think that the bigger problem is that the average person lacks the general understanding of how policies affect their lives. They want simple answers and Trump is giving them that. People are shortsighted and have a hard time grasping the bigger picture, and rather vote based on a gut feeling.
We can disagree about Bernie. I think it’s deeply cynical of him to point the finger he’s pointing.
You are very right about simple answers vs annoying complexity, and this is a systemic problem the Democrats will always face. Being based in reality and choosing to try to solve actual issues instead of simplified strawmen means the Democrats never will have an appealing story to tell, for most folks.
I think what he is getting at is that democrats could be more “aggressive” in how to appeals to the working class people. These subtle policies that have marginal benefit don’t have enough perceived impact.
Democrats could promise something simple and with clear benefits to common folks, something that can be easily understood. People want change. I think Bernie was almost getting there when he was running.
MAGA fans have jumped on the bandwagon of “sticking it to the man”, and “draining the swamp”. Which is kind of what Bernie wants to do but sincerely, with a track record to prove it.
Edit: added “perceived “
The Inflation Reduction Act could hardly be less marginal. It is about as massive a thing that directly helps the working class in this country that the government is capable of doing. Right up there with the ACA which, shock, also brought by Democrats.
The reason the Dems lose is about messaging, and about media fear. Dems have a “we’re all weak so we need each other” message, while the GOP has a “you’re super strong and you’re being held down by the system” message. No need to prove it, and it sounds great to anyone with even a single complaint about anything.
The media fear is about fighting accusations of bias, which the GOP throws around as standard operating procedure. Lie about it all the time and people will accept it as true, and so the media treats the GOP with kid gloves. Pointing out lies gets called bias, instead of reporting the truth. The demands for “Harris to get specific with policy proposals” was a bunch of horseshit, because she was very specific. Trump gave no specifics, answered no questions, and skated on it all.
“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? …”
“Pain? What’s that? Some kind of… ‘poor-person’ thing?? Wait, I remember now, it’s the french word for bread! Well, let them eat baguettes~”
Mr useless antisemite Jihadi supporter spends all his time being a useless antisemite Jihadi supporter, his jihadi squad marches on every street in the country, takes over every University common, and then for two months says, never mind about that, vote for Kamala Harris cause she ain’t good but Trump is worse, really wink. Loses Michigan, Loses the whole country, comes out screaming useless bromides. Yep, that’s Bernie Sanders to a motherfucking T. Useless piece of garbage old man. And all the Lemmy tankies swoon, having learned nothing.
Well put.
Very good bait
Bait used to be believable.
Democrats have definitely become the elitist party. They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?
They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?
Yes. They thought Dick Cheney would do the trick.
Do you by chance mean Liz Cheney?
No, I mean every centrist’s Senpai, DICK Cheney. They were so fucking happy when they got the endorsement of their favorite living war criminal not named Netanyahu.
Oh, lol. I honestly thought he was dead.
I’m relatively centrist in that I hold positions from both the left and the right, but I’m also anti-authoritarian and anti-war. I can’t stand Dick Cheney.
And you’re saying “billionaire” Donald Trump up on stage with the wealthiest man in the world is somehow more in-touch?
Jesus Christ, get real you guys.
Obviously voters seem to think he’s more in-touch
Intelligence is a bell curve, after all.
Don’t you mean Trump? The literal billionaire who represents the richest man in the world? Weird
Yea but with the republicans you already sorta expect it. Harris pivoted from a really sensible campaign that honestly I think would’ve won, to “look at all these rich people, celebrities and even right-wing warmongers who support me!” - and while I get the point - a dirtbag like Cheney supporting Harris is a sign of how fucked up Trump REALLY is - the message might not have been as clear to everyone.
Just wait until Ted Cruz switches parties and runs as a dem for President in 2028
Sanders is the OG
They keep giving us candidates nobody fucking wants and keep being surprised when they lose
And then it creates all this infighting where we’re all blaming each other for being Bernie bros or third party protest voters when in reality it’s the regular joes on the street who need to be convinced to give a fuck about their candidate, not terminally online hyperpolitical dweebs
The democrats are just gonna keep losing and our climate is going to slip deeper and deeper past the point of no return. Earths climate, our political climate, our social fabric, all of it. Slowly but surely being pissed down the drain because Joe Biden thought he should run despite middling approval ratings and massive health concerns, leaving us with literally zero choice but to back Harris once he inevitably stepped down. Because we had so called “superdelegates” choosing our candidates for us in the 2016 election when we were actually able to finally build a massive grassroots movement spearheaded by the Sanders campaign.
We’re gonna keep losing, and we’re gonna keep blaming each other, and the ruling class are just gonna keep sinking their claws deeper into what used to be ours.
I’ll see you all again in four years, same time, same place, same fucking rigamarole
It’s why I stopped voting altogether. Last time I voted in general elections was 2008. Last time I primaried was for Bernie in 16. Only time I ever donated money, too.
Fuck the Democrats. They made it clear they want Republican voters more than than they want me
It’s why I stopped voting altogether.
Thanks for letting me no to never pay attention to anything you say.
And thanks for not letting me pay attention to you. lol
You really can’t keep blaming the voters guys, it the politician and surprise surprise you can can’t force an entire party’s nominee without a proper primary
If they didn’t vote, they’re not a voter. Non-voters get their hair share of the blame, and non-voters who want to complain get shamed.
What if I voted differently from how you want me to vote?
How I “want” you to vote is pragmatically. If you vote 3rd party in a FPTP election, you’re pragmatically indistinguishable from a non-voter.
If you’re a leftist, the pragmatic strategy is to recognize the ratchet effect and vote for the “halt movement” party over the “full send fascism” party. It’s much easier to push leftist policies and promote leftist representatives under a neo-liberal regime than under a fascist one. At the absolute minimum the neo-liberals decelerate the plunge into fascism.
Neoliberalism IS fascism
Don’t vote, don’t get to complain.
Not saying that you have to vote when you dislike the options given. But you do have other options. Like spoiling your ballot, or nullify your ballot.
Yes the results are the same, but by voting this way, you are actively participating in your democratic process. While not voting at all you are not. And if you do not participate, in my view, you cannot complain about the results.
Oh and if you don’t know how, on election day just ask the poll workers. They should’ve been trained on how to handle it.
Nullifying a ballot… So you say I should get off my sofa and go all the way to town to nullify my ballot?
LOL no I’ll just sit at home and make liberals cry tears of anger while they feign enthusiasm for their dogshit candidate
Liberals seem to get real uppity when you remind them how actual holders of leftist beliefs in the general US population are almost nonexistent and all third party votes added together wouldn’t have saved Harris.
Although if liberals were capable of using logic, they wouldn’t be liberals. You even see it in their hilarious Lemmy tantrums, they are genuinely so confused and lost.
If only leftists were there saying exactly what they were doing wrong and exactly what would happen for literally the last four years.
Oh wait. We were. Weird how Marx and Lenin continue to be proven right by history again and again.
You might want to check your own logic there.
Help me parse this logic. I’m having trouble figuring out how “Leftists are much too small and insignificant a demographic to make a meaningful difference in elections, therefore Democrats should implement leftist political strategy” makes any sense.
Liberal tears have been very tasty today. Salter than usual
The “shut up and fall in line while we do nothing for you” bullshit is what got them. Add a full support for a genocide and doing nothing to stop it. A lot of people voted for Trump out of spite to the Dems. They know Trump is worse, but they got burnt by the Dems so many times and they’re done with them. I personally voted Harris, but in the back of my mind this is the very last time I’m voting for the " lesser of two evils". I’m just fucking done.
I think the time has arrived for party diversification. If the DNC wants my vote back they’ll need to earn it back. I have thrice voted for them to avoid a Trump Presidency, and 2/3 of those attempts were unsuccessful.
No longer will my vote be held hostage by the people that will squander it. From now on I vote for who I want, not against who I don’t, since it apparently doesn’t matter anyway. At least this way I vote on my own terms.
Bernie is too good for us, we need someone like him with a shot at gaining popularity for policy stances not backed by one of the large establishment parties.
It really says something when the media browbeated minorities actively harmed by neoliberal policies into voting Democrat and never third party, and third party didn’t even sway anything in any state.
I voted Green in 2016 in California and I regretted it. I voted Democrat in 2020 (knowing it doesn’t matter, I live California), despite Sanders getting shafted a second time. I voted Harris in 2024, and I swallowed my morals to do it.
And I got nothing but Trump rolling out his plans his oligarchs planned since 1980.
What is says is that the Green Party has always been a joke that exists solely to trick idealists like yourself into throwing away your vote every 4 years.
The reason they didn’t vote third party is because it’s always been a joke.
I don’t like this argument. Ideally Republicans and Democrats should be giving olive branches to the larger third parties, whom you voted for in the primary. I’d much rather see a third party base putting pressure on topics, that’s the whole point of having third parties. It’s like a political game of chess and you shouldn’t have to default to a 2 partily echo chamber.
Same could be said of boycotting the election all together. It’s a power play in order to motivate the parties to change.
The point of the two parties should be earning your vote by representing you. Skipping the primary for Biden’s replacement was the downfall of this election because it weakened the support of the candidate before she even started.
On the flip side, I do agree that Jill Stein is a grifter
Exactly. What did it accomplish? Jack shit.
The way to affect change in elections apparently is to unite the larger population around a single person/cause/issue. We just need to find ours and convince enough people.
Personally, I just want a country where we actually let people different than us live and prosper. Why the fuck is that such a hard thing to have???
I have family and friends that are POC, gay, trans, and/or physically/mentally disabled. Why should they have to put up with policies and leaders that vilify them for simply being who they are?
Why do we accept normalized medical debt?
Why do we accept a constantly eroding education system?
Why do we not scale minimum wage consistent to inflation?
I know the real answers, but I think more of the population needs to vote based on the results of them asking themselves why this is the norm and find the candidate willing to fix that shit.
I have a feeling it won’t be an establishment Democrat.
While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.
Goddamn this hits the exact thing that Democrats really need to learn.
There’s a ton of emotion in this nation. Given:
- The opioid crisis where the people responsible are in perpetual litigation.
- The wars we fought that costed us deaths of young people who had lives ahead of them, and scarred millions more. All so that a few rich asshats could profit.
- The corruption of large companies as they swindle the working class, only to watch legislators continue to profit off of insider trading.
And that’s just to name a few. There’s a ton of emotion in this nation. And Trump, for better or worse, taps into that emotion. The cut and dry democrats, they keep telling us, “The system will work, this time” and you have a public that just screams “well how soon is now then?”
Democrats cannot just keep tapping on the system as it currently stands when the system so obviously doesn’t deliver. There are hungry democrats looking for change to the system to form a more better system that will serve them, and the party just keeps dressing the bones of the long gone bird from days long pass.
Sanders fucking sinks the nail in a single stroke of the hammer on this. And Republicans are using that emotion, that pent up distrust of the system as it is, to move people in their direction. The entire point of this living government is to have a government, to have a system, that matches the people who are alive and having to deal with it. Sanders sees that and cut and dry Democrats keep going “but Trump will ruin the system that doesn’t work for you!!”
Goddamn, one day, they will learn. Democrats will pick up on what Sanders is saying one day. But holy shit, they are going to clearly take an incredibly long and winding road to get there. I don’t agree with where Republicans want to take us. I don’t agree with how Republicans want to get there. But goddamn, we’ve got to hand it to them that they’re actively pointing out the exact same thing the Sanders is pointing out. “Status Quo ain’t going to fucking work anymore.” The sooner the traditional Democrats learn that, the faster they can come back to being relevant.
Tbh, unless Wasserman-Schultz and the other imbecilic DNC royalty step down or are made to fuck all the way off somehow, I don’t think the Democratic Party is going to recover from this. And in that case, frankly, they shouldn’t recover. This result is absolutely, unambiguously damning.
Again with this talk about strategy as if any of it is going to matter in 3 months when they start executing people
I mean… I don’t think you’re wrong, but I also think it’s useful to make contingency plans for cases OTHER than the most likely worst-case scenario.
The single best thing the Dems can do now is take a chapter out of the Republican playbook and obstruct everything, full tilt, no good barred. Inject themselves into everything, all committees, panels, investigations, reviews, etc, and block. See how much Trump can accomplish when the shoe’s on the other foot.
Goddamn, one day, they will learn. Democrats will pick up on what Sanders is saying one day.
In the next government, we’re not having elections thanks to Harris botching it for everyone. The RBG of presidential candidates. Thinking you know best until it’s too late and now we need to plan for the fact you made things worse.
The RBG of presidential candidates.
If holding on too long is RBG’s legacy, then wouldn’t Biden be the RBG of presidential candidates? He held on until after the primaries before dropping out.
Fair enough, point taken.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.
Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government
In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.
Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.
2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3
In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.
2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.
I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous
Imagine a time traveller appearing in 2020 and trying to convince everyone they needed to reelect Trump
2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3
And you bet your ass they’ll appoint them as young as possible so they’ve got their pocket justices for another 40 or 50 years.
