Until the rule is removed, any new posts about US politics will be removed.
This rule applies only to the AskLemmy community. A ban on US politics posts in AskLemmy makes sense for several reasons:
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US politics tends to dominate many online spaces already, drowning out other valuable discussions.
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Political discussions, especially about US politics, often become heated and polarized quickly, which can detract from the thoughtful, contemplative atmosphere that open-ended questions are meant to foster. When people discuss US politics, they tend to take hardened positions rather than engaging in genuine exploration of ideas.
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US political discussions often fall into predictable patterns and talking points, which goes against the spirit of having thought-provoking questions. The same debates tend to play out repeatedly, offering little new insight or opportunity for meaningful reflection.
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A community focused on open-ended questions should ideally have a global perspective. US political discussions can make the space feel less welcoming to non-US users who might have fascinating questions and perspectives to share about their own cultures, philosophies, and experiences.
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There are other communities whose purpose better aligns with discussions about US politics.
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People need some communities where they can engage with others and NOT have to see or think about the recent election.
Nobody wants every community to be a free-for-all about every topic. Please feel free to discuss US politics in a relevant community about the US, about politics, or about world news.
Commenting again to repeat that I think it’s awesome that you’re going with a redirect rather than the ban hammer approach.
Thank you so much !
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world seems like a good place to redirect those conversations, maybe you could consider adding it to the sidebar, should the rule become permanent?
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Idk what the mod team’s philosophy is on incorporating member feedback vs shaping it to mod teams vision, but fwiw, here’s mine.
I don’t want to see every other post being about Trump either. But I also want conversation to happen. The compromise solution seems to be a mega thread; conversations continue without flooding everyone’s feed. For however this temp rule is in place, delete offending posts and redirect to the mega thread.
I came here since I was fed up with the politics on Reddit.
I was pretty disappointed when I saw the same thing happening here. So thanks!
ABOUT FUCKING TIME!
So much for free speech huh!
I get it, but realistically there’s only like 20 posts a day left in here. Nothing is really getting overrun.
10 yesterday. We are too small for temp rules.
But would those 10 people make other 10 posts when they are overrun by posts unrelated to this community by people who don’t want discussion and just want to vent their anger?
How the fuck is Lemmy supposed to serve as an open alternative to corporate controlled social media when the mods ban discussing one of the most impactful events of the day? You should be begging people to talk about politics here. Unsubbed.
You can literally go anywhere to see your dumbass yank circus. Leave me alone.
Our circus is going to fuck Europe over.
Boohoo I’ll believe that when it happens. In the meanwhile there’s literally nothing I can do about it. Instead of cry and doompost on the internet I’d rather focus on things that matter and keep a positive outlook.
Go away.
Bye, no one misses you. You won’t be much valuable for this community anyways so it’s better if you aren’t here
Because we’re glad it is finally over after having deal with your election bullshit for the last half year? We made contingency plans for a trump win, so we acknowledged his win this morning, hope the planning is sufficient, and finally move on to something else.
Byeeee!!! 👋👋
… You know you can just create a community and post stuff there, right?
Mods are people of the community too. If you don’t like them, you can make your own community.
That’s a bad take. The mods made the choice to moderate a general-purpose community in the first place. If they want a more narrowly-focused community, they should make one.
No kidding.
By giving people the opportunity to host their own instances and create their own communities with rules they like. This however does not mean that everything should be allowed everywhere. Actually this means that everywhere you go people make their own rules and if you dont like them, go somewhere else or create your own community.
Ridiculous copy/paste reply. You’re not making a good case for people leaving corporate media for Lemmy. You’re encouraging them to stay where they are.
Not every sub has to revolve around US elections all day/weeks/months long. That has nothing to do with corporate media.
If some other country had a historic election, I would HOPE to see open dialog spread in places like this for people to express themselves. Why ban an internationally relevant discussion when people have the choice to be members of the community. How about - if you don’t like it, you can leave.
How about - if you don’t like it, you can leave.
The irony in this sentence…
But there are places for the discussion to be made. Lemmy as a whole did not ban the elections discussion, just this one specific sub. In fact, you’ll see basically every single sub of Lemmy discussing it.
This is a temporary rule for 1 single community.
What’s wrong about it though? The freedom lies in the ability to create your own community that is not regulated by one company/organisation owning the platform. You can go to the place where you agree with the rules and you don’t have to live under the rules of someone you don’t like.
They’re just butthurt that they’re not being allowed to spew their hot takes all over this community as a captive audience that isn’t interested.
Nobody was doing that here, though. Have you even seen this community? It’s super inactive to begin with.
What’s wrong is fracturing. Lemmy is not so massive that it can sustain niche communities for every little topic.
I wouldn’t consider US politics a small topic, especially on Lemmy
It’s not a small topic, it’s a small community to set up all these tiny communities.
Community is what we called subs on the other site.
How are political communities tiny when they are 2 of the 6 most active communities on Lemmy?
To be honest, the issue is mostly about !politics@lemmy.world banning self posts (and thus people having to find alternatives such as !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world ) rather than the mods of !asklemmy@lemmy.world
This however is the main problem of social media in general. It creates circles of like-minded people where it is really easy to reject “other” thoughts and accept “our” ideas without much questioning. This is less a problem for people who are trained in critical thinking, but might be dangerous for more unstable people.
I’m just saying that a mix of different views is always good to some degree. Whether/how this should be done on Lemmy is a different thing.
Absolutely. If this rule was a permanent rule I don’t think so many people would defend it. However from experience (reddit for example) I think many people know that US politics has the ability to claim and overrun just about every space on the “western” internet. This is not something that really creates value for many people especially those that don’t live in the US and I think this ruling is trying to prevent that.
It creates circles of like-minded people where it is really easy to reject “other” thoughts and accept “our” ideas without much questioning.
I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but there is an argument to be made that we should actually go back to smaller, more secluded forums on the internet that are less connected with outside views.
Interesting, thanks
Very interesting, haven’t seen that Kurzgesagt yet, thanks for sharing 🤘🏻
I generally agree with your points on not wanting to create echo chambers; however, another reason for temporarily banning the topic imo is not just to block people talking about it but also to protect people who are already hurting, grieving, and generally just trying to find some sort of escape at the moment. Creating a space that will guarantee a temporary escape is nice, I think.
Good riddance man, Sheesh. Why are you so upset?
Because you can go to literally any instance and create a community just for political drivel or even just go to the hundreds of other communities already dedicated to exactly that.
Most impactful event of the decade. This reaches far beyond the US.
Feel free to discuss it on !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world https://lemmy.world/c/politicaldiscussion
100% agree.
The moderation is completely out of hand. Instead of being happy we have a platform where we can discuss things outside of big tech platforms, we have people who think moderation is more important than letting people express what is on their mind, specially on this day.
Wish I could make the mods be a bit mature here, but probably not.
Whats next, banning people for discussing moderation? I would not be surprised at this point.
I’ve been here from the start so I’m just angry to see this kind of thing here. Whoever mod who did this should look in the mirror and think “is my behavior a plus or a minus for the platform”.
Hold on, do you think this is a ban across all of Lemmy?
I’m for making a megathread for people who really want to talk about it here but I genuinely don’t understand why you’re upset you can’t talk about US politics everywhere in the platform. There are tons of communities for that. AskLemmy is for
open-ended, thought provoking questions
Instead, most US related posts are for venting and complaining. See these communities instead:
And dozens of similar communities on other instances. It’s not censorship to ask you to go to use the proper channels, not everyone here wants to see US news everywhere.
How is the American presidential choice of picking 80 year old sociopath Donald Trump not a thought provoking issue?
But sure. Let’s focus on why Bananas are yellow.
I just created two posts over there, one over the likelihood of project 2025 to happen, and the other one about people actually considering leaving the USA. Feel free to join the discussion
It’d be different if the instance was actually crowded and overrun, but it isn’t. The instance gets like 20 posts on a good day.
Thank you for responding with a redirect instead of a shut-down.
upset you can’t talk about US politics everywhere in the platform
I’m upset that a moderator believes that banning the discussion of a major national / international event is healthy for the community. I could understand that for a niche community like Music but not one of the most popular general purpose ones. There’s no reason this should be banned other than a personal preference. This informs me that the moderators of this community are not interested in an open platform for genuine discussion.
I’m not from the US and my Lemmy feed has been absolutely FLOODED with US political news for MONTHS. Yesterday’s vote was the bushel that broke the camel’s back, and I definitely understand non-political communities not wanting to be even more flooded with US politics than they already are.
Go complain about your broken country in politics-oriented communities, please, and let us talk about other, less despair-inducing subjects.
Remember your words when Netanyahu bombs Gaza and people want to ask the community about it.
Just because YOU don’t want to hear about something doesn’t mean en entire community should BAN discussion of it. It’s absolutely bonkers that anyone can rationalize this position.
That’s not US politics. And the rule is temporary; the goal is just to get a breather after a months-long marathon of hearing about nothing else on Lemmy.
Removed by mod
Israel & Gaza are litterally on the other side of the world, on a different continent. Don’t they teach you geography in school?
my Lemmy feed has been absolutely FLOODED with US political news for MONTHS
Damn I’m so glad that propaganda flow that for some reason was even allowed in most of Lemmy will stop now.
Thank you! Could this be permanent? People can use an AskLemmyPolitics community if they really need to.
!politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world seems good as it allows self-posts
!politics@lemmy.world for news
Doubling down on the censorship of inconvenient truths will surely help after your whole instance demonstrated the folly in censoring inconvenient truths. /s
Remember: if you think you have to censor the truth about your supposed left wing candidate of choice, they’re probably NOT actually very leftist at all and you’re doing fascist shit directly for a fascist.
If you refuse to allow people to speak the truth, you’re not one of the “ good guys”.
It’s not inconvenient truth, it’s white noise for the rest of the world
White noise that sends missiles and bombs to kill millions around the world. It’s very dangerous white noise is it not?
If the rest of the world is educated on our sham political system then maybe people like you can educate the identity politics dupes that I have to be censored by when I point to rampant corporatism in an impotent attempt to wriggle my way out of this wage slave trap.
For example, here’s an image I love to point to that shows why the US is so stupidly tribalist:
It shows what needs to be done to try and fix this shithole country.
The rest of the world is already overeducated on US politics. I don’t know the electoral system of my neighboring countries even though that’s just as important, if not more. But US politics is shoved down everyone’s throats. Too much! Handle your internal shit internally and don’t spill the sewage all over the internet.
You have assumed the reason for the rule is censorship. I think incorrectly.
It would add some clarity if the post included a justification for censorship to avoid speculation
Let me guess, this rule would’ve never ever been created if Trump lost.
.ee = .ml
We’re not all bad.
More that 70 million of you a solid majority of the popular vote, just elected a useful idiot fascist dictator wannabe laying the groundwork for a christofascist dictatorship.
I’m very much a democrat and very much voted for Harris, so I don’t know what you’re on about.
Can we still post questions about politics when it comes to moving outside the united states?
Of course not! That would contribute to the unmanageable stream of of 8-10 posts a day!!!
Sorry, was this sarcasm? My autistic ass sometimes can’t tell.
Yeah, but I was just whining, it wasn’t even a good joke. 🤷♂️
No problem, I just wasn’t sure.
Would it be possible to have a single mega thread for all US politics questions?
There are alot of worried, scared people with alot of questions. Why not have a place for it, keeping the rest out of the community.
pointless. the entire lemmy will be on fire for a month or so.
I’ve blocked all US political communities. I’ve blocked 20+ users who posted US political content in other communities. When I now filter by most popular in the last 24h, it’s only US election outcome content.
Seems like a good reason to have this kind of rules
Also I posted in !newcommunities@lemmy.world a thread for non political communities
It’s honestly tiring to see the 20th post on the same topic from a country you don’t live in
We just had probably the most consequential election of our life and you want to ban discussion? Jeezus.
This is an ask community, not a politics community. Not everything revolves around America
How does that disqualify US political questions from being posted here, then?
POST IT IN ANOTHER FUCKING COMMUNITY! IF THERE ISN’T ONE, THEN BE PROACTIVE AND CREATE ONE.
That’s not what I asked.
They don’t even have to create one, it’s there !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world
Not American, but can’t we let the country with the highest user count have one day to process this and wonder about the consequences? Even I need time and have questions lol. The US and Canada have a very, uh, close relationship, so this affects me too.
Feel free to ask on !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world
It isn’t called ‘ask lemmy about anything other than politics’.
… And now you can’t ask anything about politics. There’s was doubtless going to be political questions to ask, and politic adjacent (where do I move) that will all be removed.
And you can’t even ask about effects on the world either! Gaza, Ukraine, NATO, trade, tariffs, etc. Are those going to be removed? All valid questions, but sounds political to me.
Like way to shut down shit tons of conversation.
THIS ISN’T A DISCUSSION COMMUNITY! IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS. MOST POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS AREN’T OPEN ENDED.
Seriously? You’re this pedantic on the word discussion? Ok I will amend my first comment to:
We just had probably the most consequential election of our life and you want to ban
discussionquestions and the resulting discussion in the comments?Jeez all over again.
Most questions are “How screwed are we?, How did we fuck up this bad? Why are the Republicans so dumb?”. Like, these aren’t the types of questions this community was meant for bruv. And don’t act like you don’t know that.
Then you make a rule “no effort political questions”.
How about none at all. Go to !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world if you can’t help yourself.
Not ban, move
It’s not a book ban, the books just have to be approved before they can be brought in, and they haven’t been approved, nor will they be.
It’s not a book ban, it’s one particular bookstore stopped distribution of that book. The bookstore next to it prominently advertises that it sells that book.
Lol, I get it, I just find it fun to see all the traffic going to the comments of the banned post
