Trump winning supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly. No one wants what is happening in Gaza. But, I have to say the potential genocide (in the sense of complete erasure of culture as well as open murders with little to no consequences sense) here is even higher.
I have the unfortunate circumstance of being a trans woman in GA. I already have had to completely shut off most contact with people, both work and personal.
I’ve already had rocks thrown at me in an attempt to kill me (this was years ago, even). I already feel like I have to carry a gun. If things go the way they seem, I will even have to order in groceries because it will further empower the people that hate my existence.
The foreign policy is shit, no question. However, I don’t like the possibility of being raped and murdered by some asshole that thinks he understands Co² emissions after watching some video.
I have a lot to say here, especially as a very blue collar machinist. I will refrain, though.
In conclusion: by “avoiding” the genocide in Gaza (which would have in my opinion had a much higher chance of being resolved with Democratic policies), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.
Trump winning supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly.
Trump winning also supports the genocide in Gaza.
Trump winning supports the genocide of the planet
This is very true. I wanted to address the idea that not a single outlet has touched on, though.
Should just be pointing yes at both.
Be it because people on the left want to carry out attacks on their peers to falsely prove a point or…
Remember kids: it’s more important to be right than to live happily under a Presidency you
don’t agree withdidn’t win.
I hope for the best for your safety, sanity, and well being. Fuck this “interesting times” nonsense.
I have to reply here because SDF was down for a while and federation is still catching up. I want yout to know, though, you’ve kept me laughing and that has helped me a lot, so thanks for that.
Thank you for doing the same.
The laughter is the release and therapy we’ll be needing going forward.
There’s a reason people’s are cursed “to live in interesting times.”
Me as a child:
Wow! History was horrible at times, but so interesting, too! Just imagine if we could have seen that first hand!
Me now:
No, not like that.
“no one wants what is happening in gaza, but the potential genocide in north America is even higher”
Have you tried opening a newspaper recently? What is happening in Palestine is worse than anything else happening in the world; to say that your potential event could be worse than that is a tremendous display of ignorance and insensitivity.
Trump will go along with whatever Israel wants to do. If Hamas was in power, I can all but guarantee they would be doing the same shit, if not worse.
ETA: I’m not advocating for what is going. I’m just rather pissed that so many people keep doing the counterproductive thing of using this as a reason to vote trump or sit this out. Considering that Trump is worse in this regard and with global warming, humanities only chance is to ramp up efforts like the US is a lost cause, because for the next 2 years at least, we are.
Where have you seen that I’m advocating for Trump? I’m not even American! Every time I see someone criticizing the role of the US government in the Palestinian massacre, somebody come and says “yes but Trump”. I know trump is worse, can I still criticize the current US government or do I have to wait for the campaign to be over?
You have every right to criticize. I really and truly do empathize with what you are saying, believe it or not. You never advocated for Trump. Things are just very tense here in the US. That isn’t an excuse, but maybe an explanation for our overall behavior.
I think this might be one of the effects of dual party system, there is a binary vision to most debates that is more nuanced in multi party countries. I might be wrong though, interested in hearing other’s ideas about it
Yeah not to downplay the horror in Gaza but you might want to look into what’s happening in Sudan, for example
But I agree comparing discrimination in the US to any of this is pretty crazy
I’m fully aware of what’s happening in Sudan, but since multiple humanitarian organisations have explained that what’s happening in Gaza is the worst they have ever seen, I think it’s safe to say that this is worse than any situation
Sources:
Regarding ‘destruction’ I’m sure Sudan can’t compete because these people had very little to begin with, but when you compare other numbers…
- 200k killed
- 10m refugees
And this comes on top on the previous genocide that just ended a few years ago and killed 300k…
I’m sure you can find plenty of people saying conflict X is ‘tha worst evah’ but that’s just part of their job
I just cited the biggest humanitarians organisations saying that Gaza is the worst situation they’ve had to work on. Could you provide the same citations for another conflict? They’re not just “plenty of people”, they’re the most competent person on the subject
No, you’ve selectively cited from press statements.
For instance, your first source is from March 2024 and only states “worst on record” in its title, and it only comments on the famine situation on that specific moment. The only part from the article that supports the use of the title is this:
In the IPC’s five-tier classification of food crises, Gaza now has the largest percentage of a population to receive its most severe rating (IPC phase 5 - catastrophe) since the body began reporting in 2004. It has also never been recorded that an entire population (or 100%) be in IPC Phase 3 or worse.
Now, of course that’s grim and we all know everyone was raising the alarm around that period. But we also know that, following that, aid increased and a large scale famine has been averted.
Luckily for us, Oxfam has recently released a larger, more comprehensive paper on famine and food insecurity in 2023 and early 2024. With this newer report, I could easily make the case that Gaza only ranks #10 on their ranking on p.16 … I hope this helps
I appreciate that you took the time to provide a document from Oxfam, but saying that my argument is invalid because the situation in one of the fourth articles I provided has slightly improved since the article parution, is to my opinion not very honest
Why would you use a source that improved so much since, to support your argument that Gaza is presently the worst situation?
You’re right that I only commented on your first source, but then why would you use it and put it on the top if it doesn’t make your case? Your use of the word ‘slightly’ is disingenious. Unless more food came in hundreds of thousands of people were going to starve. To say that not starving is a ‘slight improvement’ is an understatement you’re deliberately making to obscure this. This is easily countered by the report I cited as well: they improved to the same level that 5 times more people are on in Sudan. So which of those two is worse by this metric, today?
Your second source is a single doctor who says it’s like nothing he’s seen before. While I appreciate him weighing in, I don’t think that provides conclusive proof that a certain conflict he’s working in is ‘currently the worst in the world’.
Your third source is paywalled, but from what I can read it’s about the first two months of Israel’s retaliation on Gaza, citing the number of 18.000 deaths over this period as the reason why they considered it ‘nothing we’ve seen before’. So first of all they’re talking about a period in the past where the death toll was around 6 times as high as it is today, which also means that your above suggestion that only the situation described in the first of your four articles has 'slightly improved is, to my opinion, not very honest. Secondly, citing the death count as the reason for this doesn’t say everything. Is a single Sudanese village being massacred to the last child ‘worse’? Is more Sudanese being massacred over a longer period less so?
Your fourth source is not one of ‘the biggest humanitarian organisations’ but rather a single career politician. And it’s his job not to understate any crisis he’s commenting on. Here he is calling the one in Sudan “the largest displacement crisis in the world”.
For clarity: I’m not trying to say that I don’t consider the situation for the people in Gaza SuperBad, because it is. But there are conflicts where far more people are suffering and they’re forgotten and falsely considered ‘less worse’ not because they are, but just because they don’t even get 1/1000th of the media attention.
Well, it’t won’t be like Palestine, but KKK style lynchings, taking away the non-profit status of pro-LGBTQ+ organizations (if not jailing every member of them for “pornographic speech”), forced detrasitions, forced conversion therapies, and jail for existing in public.
I, obviously, disagree here. It’s all horrible. However, I have every incentive to vote for my own well being. My point in that statement wasn’t necessarily that it would be worse (I probably should have phrased things better, but I’m no writer), but I do think it could potentially be more impactful for the “West” in the sense that the US could, potentially, devolve into a state similar to Russia (or a large number of nation states) where anyone who is not straight or cisgendered will be persecuted to the point of erasure. And in my personal case, though I know this is anecdotal, potential murder.
You say it’s all horrible like it’s a comparable horror. It’s not. Leaving aside the fact that your described event is hypothetical (and I hope it will stay so, don’t get le wrong I fully support LGBTQ+ rights), comparing murder to planned ethnic cleansing and thousands of civilians lives lost is a negation of the horror Palestinian endure on a daily basis.
Ethnic cleansing, orientation or gender cleansing, I see them as the same. thing. Ever have someone physically assault you for pissing? The drive for murder and erasure is literally on the same scale. The difference has been the backing of a state. Now, that may very well change. We will now have idiots with guns threatening us to to “be normal.” And no, it’s not a comparable horror… yet. I fear for my life constantly.
And, again, I’d like to posit the other meaning of genocide - cultural erasure. This, I think, is very likely.
Sorry, but as a queer Arab I think you’re completely off the mark here. Gaza is a literal concentration camp. People are burning alive every day. What LGBT+ people in the USA could go through under Trump is very bad, but to think it comparable is delusional.
The point is, now we get both.
Sure those are both bad. But now we get to take bets on which country sees the first mass casualty event due to unsurvivable wet bulb temps, and we can over-under the year the first US state gets a taste of boiling alive in their own juices.
Here in GA, we’ve gotten close. I had to quit the job I temporarily stopped working for myself for last year because of heat exhaustion. It’s bad. I fainted in 110° F temps with 89% humidity. Trump will make thus worse.
Bottom panel should be “Genocide in Gaza AND…”
I hate to downvote a Star Trek meme, but that top half is inaccurate. America voted for a genocide of American LGBTQ and Gaza. Both.
We “avoided” precisely fuck-all and everyone who claimed otherwise is a blatant goddamn liar.
You’re not wrong. Yeah, I could have done better, but I’m in a self induced drunken rage.
Understandable. I feel sorry for you guys.
It’s directed at people who absolutely cannot vote for Harris due to her stance on Gaza. Instead, they enabled a war on their LGBTQ neighbors.
Now that the election is over, we can admit it: both sides were bad. Sure Trump is worse, but Harris can be blamed too
There’s plenty of anger and blame for everyone today. Trump and his voters are the most at fault. Harris listened to the lobbyists instead of polls about Palestine. Democrats should never have nominated Biden, and shouldn’t have gaslit everyone about the economy being fine. Americans are far right.
And last of all, I’ve never punched a Nazi or joined a union myself.
And last of all, I’ve never punched a Nazi or joined a union myself.
Not yet.
But that’s my point, though: they didn’t do that “instead.” They did that in addition to!
Fucking lying, bloodthirsty, fascist clowns, all of them.
Now the crazies will be emboldened to assault more people.
In conclusion: by “avoiding” the genocide in Gaza (which would have in my opinion had a much higher chance of being resolved with Democratic policies), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.
Doesn’t matter. They get to LARP with their purity politics. The lives of American minorities don’t matter to them.
I’ve taken to calling them out as exactly what they are: virtue signallers. Like you said, they’re just larping about caring about these people, and boy do they get salty when they have to deny it.
Dumb fucking children
The democrats do not care about American minorities
How about both. 2 in 1 combo
We still have the 2nd amendment. That’s the one thing conservatives will not take from us.
Sure they will.
Yeah, I was telling my partner that the conservatives will probably come for our guns before the democrats. Especially if Trump gets elected. But hopefully I’m wrong.
Don’t know why you got a downvotes, Hamburger Hitler said he’d take them without due process
Conservatives don’t have to take away the 2nd, it benefits them a lot more than it benefits you.
Still better than nothing
“We may not have democracy for very long now, but at least the school shootings will continue”
I’m pro school shooter 💪
Until the fighting starts.
Dumb shit like this is why Trump won. Grow up or expect to lose in the future as well.
Trump won because rich people wanted him to, not because of niche memes on statistically insignificantly known websites.
Posting on lemmy is the equivalent to when I used to post on Final Fantasy themed bulletin boards in the mid 90s
Maybe that your post that given us the remakes
may God have mercy on my soul
I don’t mean to belittle your justified concerns, but Mexicans and Canadians would like to remind you that North America != USA.
And to imagine that this doesn’t affect either of those nations is very short sighted. Remember that there is a self declared queen of Canada based entirely on Trumpism and QAnon BS, as well as the potential mass detaining of innocent Mexicans.
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Oh, it’s worse than that for Canada. Trump during his last term tanked entire sectors of our economy with executive orders he spat out like tweets. Those “deals” were all taken apart in International court filings but the damage was already done.
Remember we are a very big landmass staffed by only a sliver more people than exist in the state of California. If the US goes under we will be ripped apart as no more than collateral damage.
Funny sidestory here:
A week or so ago they had an AMA with someone in Gaza on Hexbear where someone dared to ask the question what the situation was with LGBTQI+ rights right now.
Dude replied: “oh there are no gay people in Gaza, because everyone’s religious here”
Made me frown but upvotes galore and I think they now ran a pretty succesful gofundme for him
This is the only AMA that I found that involved a GoFundMe and had the lgbt mentioned in the thread.
If this is not what you’re talking about, could you find the original thread?
this meme implies that lives of americans has more worth than lives of gazans. your rage is justified but outlawing essential healthcare for lgbtq+ is not the same as a hostile military force genociding and ethnically cleansing you. bad meme all around.
They don’t care as long as it doesn’t affect them. Did you ever see dem voters wish death to biden or obama. They are brain washed into thinking lesser evil is better. Evil is evil no matter what. Trump 4 years and then maybe dem another 4 years and the cycle repeats.
Yes, we all know that enabling TWO genocides is much better. That must be what you think, considering that’s the direct result of your stance. The situation in Gaza was never going to change, but as for what COULD change, by fucking god, you sure made it change. It’s thanks to virtue signalers like you that we now have foreign genocide with a side of domestic trans-hunting.
Im not an american. Stop whining like a bitch.
They don’t care as long as it doesn’t affect them.
That’s you one post ago. Looks like someone was projecting.
Lets clarify your stance here. Dems are brainwashed and don’t care about Gaza because it doesn’t affect them… but you don’t care about what happens to Americans because it doesn’t affect you… 🤔
You’re taking a stance against genocide in Gaza… but that same stance indirectly extends the genocide… 🤔And that’s not to mention the longer term affects caused by Trump’s stance on things like fossil fuels and climate change.
It was a statement and yours was crying, tone defines how people take it. Dk what you mean by projecting cause I’m neither in America nor Palestine.
No. My stance is most Americans are brain washed into thinking they have to vote for capitalism.
What happened to Americans? Were all american lgbt people exiled in 2016?
What stance did I take that increases the genocide? Are libs so brainwashed, that they can’t comprehend anything except voting any one of the two? I’m no American, i don’t vote there.
You think dems get their funds from forests or alaskan mountains? Saying we are better than them doesn’t mean dems implement any laws to better the climate. Can you reference any climate change policies biden govt implemented that may reap benifits?
All I’m saying people should unite to end this stupid capitalist capitalist world.
It was a statement and yours was crying, tone defines how people take it. It’s called accusing, as in calling you out for your blatant hypocrisy.
Dk what you mean by projecting cause I’m neither in America nor Palestine. Surely you can’t be this dense? You can’t actually believe that’s what I meant, can you? That’s plainly stupid. You’re projecting because you show the exact lack of empathy you accuse others of.
Were all american lgbt people exiled in 2016? Were there bounties on trans people prior to 2016? Were there blanket bans on abortion? Were there calls to bring back fucking asbestos? It’s called escalation.
What stance did I take that increases the genocide? The same one that drove 20 million more people to abstain from voting than four years ago, leading to Trump’s win.
Are libs so brainwashed, that they can’t comprehend anything except voting any one of the two? Don’t comment on things that you’re this clueless about.
Can you reference any climate change policies biden govt implemented that may reap benifits? Nope, but you know what I can reference? Trump policies that had detrimental effects on the clime, such as withdrawing from the Paris agreement. Didn’t see that kind of shit under Biden.
All I’m saying people should unite to end this stupid capitalist capitalist world. “All I’m saying is that the half of the US that gives a shit should stand up against both the other half and the government itself!” It’s not 1793, we can’t just behead our leader and start fresh. Besides, you sure as shit said a lot more than just that.
Did biden improve climate change was my question. Waiting for an answer.
You’re looking for someone to blame for Trump winning and decided to blame the wrong people because you’re angry and need an easier target. Not the 70 million Americans who voted for Trump eh? Not the Harris campaign staff who refused to let Palestinians endorse Harris at the DNC and were trying to get their community to join them?
No, blame other victims because only your suffering counts. We’re ALL suffering.
