• Yantantethera@feddit.uk
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    4 days ago

    “not a people”, oh that’s all right then, nothing to see here, please ignore the murder of tens of thousands of human beings, because, and I quote “they are not a people”.

    …give your head a wobble.

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        4 days ago

        What word should I use for the murder of 10s of thousands of ethnically and locally connected people Andrew.

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          Sure. Because that’s happening. You trust what you read and hear too easily.

          I have hundreds of cousins several generations worth living in Israel since before 1900 when it wasn’t even Israel yet. I have a straight line to what actually goes on there.

          You don’t quite know that most of what you read is bullshit unfortunately. And yes I have a bias I’m Jewish, but I also abhor violence. The thing is, I’ve lived there and I know what really happens.

          What you call a poor innocent is 99% of the time a terrorist who has committed acts of mass violence.

          The problem is they’re never going to stop, and they’ve been offered so so much. Equality in every way. Multiple times.

          They demand absolutely everything or they will not acquiesce. But go ahead tell me how you solve THAT conundrum? Yeah that’s what I thought. There is NO solution. And so the world wants to paint a picture to get you to think of Israel as the aggressor because you know why? They’re terrified of the Arabs and not of the Israelis. And they’d rather take down the ones who will fall easier.

          Go ahead keep thinking what you do. You’re not the first and won’t be the last to be a sucker for world politics and the fabricated reality you are given to believe.

          You know what? Seek the truth on your own; a stranger online ain’t gonna convince you of shit. I just hope you’ll do a little research on your own not trusting just what you hear from news sources. I have more family history in the region than you can imagine and you’ve been fed a banquet of lies - I’m sorry. You and millions of others.

          And Israel has not always handled everything perfectly. They’re in a scenario where there’s no gentle solution. The Arabs place their military installations in residential zones among the civilians - think about who does that kind of thing? They use civilian deaths as pawns for political image… Israel has always tried to keep those casualties to the minimum. Unlike the U.S.A. who nuked two countries flat.

          What would you do?? A “people” whose military and civilians alike (no not all) suicide bomb cafes and buses and libraries etc. for DECADES. They turn down EVERY reasonable offer for peace treaty. They want EVERYTHING. 🎵“From the river to the sea”🎶 they sing; that’s the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. The East and west borders of Israel. They want all.

          Those same said civilians were recorded on video dancing and celebrating on 9/11 when their Arab compatriots attacked America.

          And so… how would you approach this? Just keep begging for peace while they adamantly refuse every offer short of total ownership of all and everything?

          The new ultra left stance is cowardice. I’m a democrat and cannot stand the right wing; but the far left have become soggy rags. They’re terrified of the Arabs and blaming Jews is comfortable. It’s familiar. It’s always the acceptable last resort. Denial is easier than facing an unstoppable enemy unless you are willing to recognize that peace isn’t in their vocabulary.

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            4 days ago

            You believe the media fed to your cousins by their government…

            …why will Israel not let the BBC into Gaza

            …why are they killing people.

            Stop the killing. It’s a simple fucking thing to do.

            Just stop.

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                Andrew, you know nothing about me, and you only know half as much about Palestine as you think you know. I’m done with you but I will never stop fighting for justice in Palestine.