democrats : This is the most important election in our lifetime, we need you to vote to save democracy.
Third party voters : Yeah and under a Democracy I intend To freely use my vote according to my beliefs and interests.
democrats: Nooooooy, not like that 🤬
Russians: first we try to spread chaos by pretending to be 3rd party American voters unhappy with Israel.
Americans: dude that plan is absolutely retarded and there’s no way it would ever work.
Russians: but we paid for the best 3rd party candidate rubles could buy!
Jill Stein:
Americans:
America doesn’t actually have a democracy. You only get a remotely democratic choice between D and R. And even that choice is severely compromised. If you think you have the democratic choice to vote third party, then you’ve been brainwashed by pro-america propaganda
America is an oligarchy.
Join the movement for ranked choice voting so we can end the duopoly!
Missourians who see this, vote NO on 7 to stop the ban!
Sure, more Palestinians will die
Sure, Ukrainians will die
Sure, US minorities will die
Sure, the entire world will suffer from a fascist demagogue at the head of the most powerful country in the world
But have you considered that, for a few brief moments of time,
we created a lot of value for the shareholderswe got to feel smug over the SHITLIBS who wanted to prevent fascism?Ahh, but you see, you disagreed with Stalin that one time, and therefore you were the fascist all along
As I believe in the abolition of capitalism and the creation of a popular base of support for such a measure, instead of a narrow oligarchy oppressing the proletariat and enforcing its will on society, I am a shitlib. It’s a terrible burden to bear. 😔
Communism sucks! We should have a classless, moneyless, stateless society where goods are distributed from each according to ability to each according to need instead! And according to Hexbear users, such a model is called liberal capitalism.
I am very disapointed in Drag. Why drag does not care about my friendz in lebannon? :(
Correct, my harm reduction framework is much more violent than your harm reduction framework, and is therefore more interesting, which makes you wrong.
And hardly takes that. All you have to do is have a subtle difference of opinion, and BAM! You’re a fascist.
My favorite, however, is that when you point out that their arguments are 100% logical fallacies, you get banned from multiple communities at once.
Did you know if you support Harris, you’re also a transphobe?
Just admit it!
Something something chronically online lmfao touch grass bougie.
But what else am I gonna do with my feelings of impotent rage? Try to actually change something?
“More palestinians”. You are an american threatening to kill MORE palestinian if you guys dont vote for your side??? How is this fucking legally allowed you fucking scum
I wish america gets its civil war ahah
It’s honestly such a shockingly privileged position it almost defies belief that anyone could actually be so dense unless they are operating in bad faith. Yes, there are several serious problems in the world, and absolutely none of them are solved by helping the US slip into fascism. Leftists in particular are supposed to hate fascists, so I can’t imagine how anyone with leftist sympathies could possibly want to see what the world looks like with an unrestrained Trunp at the helm. Again, unless they are so privileged they don’t think the consequences would affect them personally, in which case I would call any other profession of external empathy as questionably sincere.
They don’t think the consequences will touch them. They’re the leftist equivalent of “shitlibs”
it almost defies belief that anyone could actually be so dense
There is no end to the depths of human stupidity.
The average yank racist and its hardon for classifying everybody through “intelligence”. “Everybody who disagree with me is very dumb. I am very smart.”.
This was a great comment until you implied only conservatives are deciding not to vote for Harris due to our support of Israel.
I was making fun of that short-sighted self-serving nature by making a comparison to capitalist conservatives, not asserting that champagne socialists are, themselves, capitalist conservatives (though, functionally, their actions serve the same goals).
Short-sighted self-serving is what happens when people promote a lesser evil out for fear of a greater one.
They are not willing to risk their lives in the pursuit of an end to our complicity in genocide. More concerned with their current sense of safety in the heart of the Empire than the violence employed to maintain it. Prefferring the surety of another four years where they don’t have to think about politics over the chance for fundamental changes in how our political system functions when a large majority of the country aligns against a second Trump administration.
But hey, at least we can all look forward to doing this again when Trump runs in 2028, right? Democrats surely won’t triangulate even further to the right in pursuit of the mythical moderate Republican voter, right?
Prefferring the surety of another four years where they don’t have to think about politics over the chance for fundamental changes in how our political system functions when a large majority of the country aligns against a second Trump administration.
God, accelerationism is so fucking dumb.
As opposed to what, doing the same thing every election in the hopes that it will somehow turn out differently this time?
Check your privilege
You’re kidding, right?
If you weren’t paying attention, I’m a transgender furry. I’ve been personally targeted by Nazis long before Trump declared people like me to be enemies of America.
Do you think I am not painfully aware of what is at stake here?
Every time the Dems look left they lose. They go to the center because they lose control (they need all 3 houses to do anything), so they go to the center to find voters. They’ve had control of all 3 houses for, drumroll please, 4 of the last 24 years. Want them to stop going to the center? Them give them victories.
I wish more people could understand this. Or even made an effort to.
As opposed to trying to make things better and avoid more suffering for everyone.
Accelerationists have never lived through what they claim to want because if they did, and lived, they would no longer be accelerationists.
Doing the same thing you’ve always done isn’t “trying to make things better”, it’s “trying to make things stay the same”.
If you want to avoid suffering, you have to be against genocide.
Accelerationists won’t have to live with the consequences because they don’t originate in the US.
I mean, that or all the angry young/middle age voters could, gasp show up to the primaries and move the party to the direction they’d like to see. Instead, the elderly voters, despite being a much smaller share of the population, outvote the heck out of them.
If folks like you paid attention to politics when it matters, not just when it was trendy, things would be a lot different.
Then again, reading what you’ve written, maybe it’s for the best y’all don’t.
I love the idealism, I lost mine decades ago.
Realistically, this is America we’re talking about. A literal pandemic that killed millions was only worth a 16% bump in the total vote count. The sooner you come to terms with the fact that this country is not and has never been a real democracy, the sooner you’ll be able to stop relying on the electoral system to save the world.
Also, I resent the assertion that I don’t pay attention to politics. I pay too much attention to politics. To the point that I predicted this exact scenario for the 2024 election back in 2015 when the DNC first started openly conspiring against Bernie, months before they ratfucked him out of the primary. I was the only person among my family and friends not to be surprised when Hillary lost in 2016. I knew the incumbent for 2024 would have to drop out to give the VP a chance at winning against Trump literally years before we learned that Biden was going to be that incumbent. I feel like Cassandra, cursed with foreknowledge that none will heed.
Anyways, the problem isn’t “trends” or a lack of interest from the youth, the fundamental issue is that electoral politics is a trap. Do vote in local and national elections, of course, but if voting is all you’re putting your energy into then you’re doing it wrong. And our political media ecosystem is designed to ensure that most people do it wrong by investing literal billions into election campaign coverage.
The real forefront of American politics is the union movement. Now that they’re starting to throw off their old business-friendly management and implementing democratic processes for replacing them, they’re taking position to become the driving force behind the new left. Watch for that over the next few years as the Republican party falls apart from the blowback against Trump’s attempts to steal the election while the Democrats continue triangulating to the right to pick up the “moderate” leftovers and alienating their own left wing.
If we just let the fascists win then we’ll be able to usher in a socialist paradise! What’s unclear about that to you? Read a book! /s
I hate and love how this is pretty much exactly accelerationism explained without the childlike naiveté.
A literal pandemic killed millions of Americans and the status quo between the Democrats and the Ivermectin party barely even twitched.
If you think there is a realistic electoral path out of our bipartisan death spiral, I would love to hear it. I’m just cynical enough not to be surprised that neither complicity in genocide abroad or the mass murders of schoolchildren at home will convince the Democrats to start treating Republicans like a threat.
The way out of a death spiral is not directly into oblivion. It fucking sucks that genocide is in the category of really important things that need addressing but it is not in the category of things that can be addressed in this particular election.
The electoral path is not at the ballot box every four years at the presidential level. It’s down the ballot and on the other the years. It’s building political capital for the cause you believe in by showing usefulness to the people seeking or holding power and talking to them about the issues you care about. Volunteer for your local house candidate and talk to people in their campaign about how important it is to you that they don’t support genocide, urge them to vote against arms shipments and denounce settlements. Tell your representative how you want them to vote and get other people to do the same.
Working to get people elected gets them to listen to you, that’s why there’s so much money involved in elections.
You’re a fucking idiot.
What exactly does “treating Republicans like a threat” look like to you?
The fascists will win anyway. Yanks are going to vote for genocide (because according to themselves, both sides agree on exterminations going on in gaza) and thus yanks does not deserve any respect as human being, for they are not.
Well your countries have couped and intervened in the whole fucking world. Now get a taste of your own medecine bitch
I got into this argument the other day. People’s arrogance and lack of common sense was disappointing.
Yeah tell ne qbout it thinking not voting for either one somehow helps trump 😂 same people that failed basic arithmetic clearly. What they really msan to say is that people voting third party are not helping harris…and yeah thats the point and entirely not the same thing.
Oh the irony here.
If there are only two viable options, not helping one is the same as helping the other.
Congratulations on mastering the ability to count. Today we’ll learn how addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, ratios work. Strap in kids its a wild ride!
Trump has 30 votes Hilary has 8 votes The difference is 22 A ratio of 4/15ths
If we add one vote to jill she has 1 vote.
Now class what is the difference in votes for hilary and trump? … Thats right its still 22!
And the ratio between them?.. Thats right! Still 4/15.
Now class what if we add 31 more votes to jill?.. Thats right both values are unchanged!
Funny that. What do we say to hilary kids?..
Thats right! It sucks to suck. Maybe next time she’ll have some good ideas to convince voters to vote for her!
But lets assume jill wasnt there: where would those votes have gone? …
No, timy not necessarily. We dont know who would get them or if those people would have voted for either candidate! We can’t just add them to hilary and trump.
If there’s a toddler about to walk into traffic and you choose to keep swiping on tinder or whatever instead of helping the kid, that kid’s death is still on you.
Samw thing with not stopping trump.
It’s really not complicated.
Nice story.
Now do it again but the kid killed 40k people
Okay, 40k have died, you can choose to be on your phone and another 80k will die ot you can help and only 40k more will die.
funny you should mention toddlers being murdered. now tell me again what is harris’ excuse?
What’s trumps excuse? What’s your excuse? What’s God’s excuse?
I’m tired of all this. I take full responsibility. If I had done more this tragedy could have been averted. I’m sorry to those who have suffered because of my inadequacy. Render what ever judgment you will on me and in the future, if there is one for scum like me, I will try to do better.
What’s trumps excuse?
who cares? he never had a chance at my vote to begin with for a large number of reasons. we can just add it to the pile of shitty things trump is okay doing. but we already knew he was willing to commit genocide. this is a surprise to no one who as paid attention.
What’s God’s excuse?
dunno if i could find him i’d ask him.
What’s your excuse?
for what? not supporting harris? I’ve been very clear on this: genocide.
I’m tired of all this.
so am I friend, so am I. I’m not the one running around trying to convince people to vote for a particular candidate by shaming others using intellectually dishonest claims of ‘helping trump’, ‘both parties were going genocide, pick the lesser evil’, etc.
I want people to get off their ass and vote. I didnt vote for harris or trump, I voted down ballot. I’m also not in a swing state or a state with shitty womens rights. harris is going to win my state regardless. That being said the liberals running around spouting nonsense about helping trump when its clearly and demonstrably not true is going to lead to people not voting at all.
And that my friend is why I call this shit out. because they might have voted down ticket regardless which can only help the situation. and quite frankly im happy to treat people with the same level of vitriol that they treat others. Now I will continue campaigning against genocide and getting ranked choice done, please volunteer so people can stop being asses to each other.
Hey kiddo, instead of deflecting to Palestine, how about you explain how either this voting instance is different than the analogy I’ve given or admit that you’d be fine letting the kid die because of whatever.
If you’re going to be incorrectly smug about voting third party, try answering a reasonable question about it.
When talking about genocide germans should be the first to shut the fuck up and listen.
Dear mod, please consider your conflict of interest policy before deleting this comment. As I am openly vocal about american, german and british complicty in genocide, please consider your own bias before taking any action if you are from these country. You might be legally liable for genocide denialism.
All right. I’m gonna give you two choices.
Suck my dick, or send me 10000 euros. Which one do you pick?
Sorry, those are the choices for what election?
49k votes for Stein in Pennsylvania, Trump won by 47k
32k votes for Stein in Wisconsin, Trump won by 22k
51k votes for Stein in Michigan, Trump won by 10k.
Third party voters are useful idiots.
Maybe you should convince the democrats to try and win some third party votes then. Can’t blame people for voting according to their values.
I’m sure you call multiple groups of americans idiots though. Thats definitely not the same thing the republicans do to minorities right?
You’re doing the good discrimination right?
“Useful idiot” has a specific meaning.
Yes you are very intellectual indeed.
Yes, using a common term makes me an intellectual 🤡
I like your clown outfit.
Second-party idiots are useful idiots. Works both ways.
I love how the greatest democracy on earth is literally built on fear and shaming/harassing people if they do not vote how you deem acceptable. What a bunch of assholes.
Its literally how they behave everywhere, business or military.
You are judged by your ability to attack opinions or people you don’t like.
Congratulations on mastering the ability to count. Today we’ll learn how addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, ratios work. Strap in kidd its a wild ride!
Trump has 30 votes Hilary has 8 votes The difference is 22 A ratio of 4/15ths
If we add one vote to jill she has 1 vote.
Now class what is the difference in votes for hilary and trump? … Thats right its still 22! And the ratio between them?.. Thats right! Still 4/15.
Now class what if we add 31 more votes to jill?.. Thats right both values are unchanged!
Funny that. What do we say to hilary kids?..
Thats right! It sucks to suck. Maybe next time she’ll have some good ideas to convince voters to vote for her!
But lets assume jill wasnt there: where would those votes have gone? …
No, timy not necessarily. We dont know who would get them or if thise people would have voted for either candidate! We can’t just add them to hilary and trump.
I am not reading that.
Sorry i shouldn’t have made it so advanced. Ill try to come up with a simpler example in the future!
Copy pasting the same smug wall of text every time is not the political own you think it is. In fact, it makes people not want to read it.
Maybe you should get off of the internet and enjoy the nature outside. It’s good for people, y’know?
Try taking your own advice. A bit of time away from a screen should help with these feeling that everyone who fails to vote for Harris is a Trump suppprter.
shrug maybe people should get a clue on what third party votes mean and stop posting the same tired, wrong, and pointless ‘theyre helping Y’ nonsense and ill stop treating them all like children.
If by “third party” you mean Jill Stein, well…
😂 those in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. Funny that harris has ine supporting her too.
Is this a bot account or something? Every post has obvious typing mistakes and they all say utter bullshit. When shortly scrolling through their comments I didn’t see a single upvote.
Every comment is on the usa election. Account created 2 weeka ago.
beep boop.
That’s good enough for me. Blocked.
Stop blocking these people! It just amplifies their voices!
I don’t hear anything
and yes, everyone comment is on the election because thats all I particularly care about atm ;) please support rank choice in your state so this nonsense can stop. I’m tired of watching my country kill people for no good fucking reason. I’m tired of watching people shit on 3rd party voters for having a moral conscience that is clearly superior to the majority of liberals.
I am sorry every argument against 3rd party voters is so easily torn apart by simple addition demonstrating that its harmless. if more people had a spine maybe harris wouldn’t be supporting a genocide. but then again maybe she would. either way hard pass.
I created an account just to tell you suck ass and I’m no russian troll.
Did you even read this article? This is what Liz Cheney actually said:
“Reactionaries make statements. Conscientious and thoughtful people take action because they know moral statements will never change the world.”
If you’re interpreting that statement as indicating support for Apartheid, then you clearly have problems with reading comprehension.
In any case, there’s a big difference between Liz Cheney’s bad opinion in 1987, and the guy who founded the “Knights of the Ku Klux Klan” in Louisiana. There’s quite a gap in scale there.
Your “stone” seems to be more of a bouncy ball.
Dick Cheney is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. Incredible that liberals will defend the Cheneys, not sure if it’s that you don’t care about people’s lives if they happened to be born in another country, or if you’re just willing to defend anyone and anything if you think it’ll help you win.
How did Stein’s response to David Duke’s endorsement compare to Harris’ response to Cheney’s? Did she accept the endorsement?
Its the part you said about lives in other countries not mattering.
The propaganda there is strong.
Dick Cheney sweet heart. Dick. But liz is also a shit human. Seems like harris is attracting alot of them with a warm embrace. 🤔
But the article you linked is about an op-ed that Liz Cheney wrote while in college? I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make about Dick.
Gotta love people trying to use maþ to defend someþing ð actual maþ clearly says is ð complete fucking opposite of helpful.
😂 gotta love people who fail to contextualize math. Let me know you when you determine what helpful means to me, was that even the goal? Kind of an important detail dont you think?
Someday you’ll realize that your failure to understand motivation was exactly one of the points i was making. But alas i fear that day is far off.
I’m going to be 100% with yall that comment and post this shit.
Before I go on, let me say I voted dem and know they would be better for the world over Trump.
But is that’s the standard and argument you expect people to vote for, you are in for a rude awakening… To anyone reading this or agreeing with these outright insulting comments and posts about how you know better need to take a long look in the mirror. Because…
If the only support you are giving to the Palestinian and Arab people is voting Dem and having arguments about lesser evils, then you are not helping the situation.
Yes vote dem. But get off your ass and protest, donate, and support those communities currently harmed be democrats disastrous Gaza and Middle East policy. That’s how you sway hearts and minds. These fucking backhanded, self serving, ignorant posts and comments won’t stop anything but prove to those communities that the democrats base does not give a shit about anything that doesn’t directly effect themselves.
Yall are missing the forest from the trees. Not voting for the light genicidal party nor the full genicidal party isn’t some gotcha win for Trump. It’s a failure on our part to demand our party doesn’t continue using our votes to do harm.
call your senators daily and demand they publicly denounce Israel and the IDF. Donate money to organizations that are saving lives destroyed by our bombs. March with your fellow Palestinian and Arab brothers and sisters. Divest and boycott any business with ties to Isreal and the IDF.
But Ya im sure comparing individuals that have lost friends and family to bombs provided by the Democrat administration, to Lord Farquaad. We’re better than this. This is just conservative tactics used on a population that we need to vote blue! We are better than this! show some empathy and get involved. I have Palestinian friends and they would spit in your face if you said this kind of shit to their face because it’s removing the humanity of the 40k people killed by Isreal via bombs provided by Biden/Harris. If you/we don’t care why should they?
Thank you so much for this detailed response. I think I’m gonna vote for Kamala, not because I think Kamala is gonna do good things for the Middle East.
I’m voting because either we get a president that may or may not listen to protesters, or we’ll get one that will wipe out protesting nationwide.
It’s not really a factor for my voting preference, as Israel is a proxy-nation of the US. If Kamala wins, Gazans die. If Trump wins, MORE Gazans die. We’re not getting the heat for it, Israel is. So meh. I don’t value human life much anyways. We’re all still violent apes who do what we want, and when there are rules against it, we break them and use violence anyhow. At this point, I’m kind of numb to it. I’ll protect those close to me, everyone not close to me idgaf. If it starts affecting me or my own, I’ll start caring.
Until then, shoot me some more memes.
To each their own but I think this is fucking abhorrent and almost textbook sociopathy.
almost textbook sociopathy
I guarantee you have no fucking clue what the word even means in a medical context; because I’ve not given you enough information in the slightest to be even close to making that kind of diagnosis.
The word you’re looking for is misanthrope.
Expert in geo politics AND psychology. We gots ourselves a real one here.
This guy thinks we need to be an EXPERT to be able to judge clearly visible patterns, WOO boy. Wait 'till I tell you about the color of the sky!
Ah. Done his own research, I see.
Well, that about wraps ‘er up, dunnit.
That’s it, shows over folks.
Edgelord is the word.
Oh I like it. I don’t mind being a lord. Let’s gooo.
Sociopaths can develop attachments to those close to them, usually based more on personal benefit/gain but they sometimes confuse this with genuine emotional attachment.
Though yes, I’m not making an actual medical diagnosis.
I have no horse in this race, I just wanted to stop by and say sociopathy is not a diagnosis. You’re looking for Antisocial Personality Disorder. Laypeople poorly use those terms trying to differentiate someone’s disregard for right and wrong from someone else’s.
Now that I’ve come in here and unloaded my nerd-ass “Umm actually” bullshit, I’ll let you get back to talking shit about willful idiots.
Neat, good to know the real term.
Admittedly, as I an a lay person, using a commonly understood term in a social context does seem more productive/efficient than using the proper medical term, then explaining it.
It’s sort of like how we say people will vote for Harris or trump when in actuality they are voting for electors, but everyone (well, except for a worrying number of Republican crazies and a disgraced former president) understands them to be the same thing.
That’s fair! It’s just one of my favorite ones to chime in with. No offense was meant
Some taken at first, none now. Especially as I imagine you see that incorrect application thrown across the internet with reckless abandon!
Sociopathy was absolutely a diagnosis until the DSM decided to fuck up a whole host of mental issues by combining them all into one vague term.
I hope your loved one gets bombed with white phosphorus lmao. I hope you smell the flagrance of their burning smell while they scream for their life. Then I hope your children gets drafted and butchered.
Death to the yank
No one on lemmy has ever made this argument and as usual this community of redditors in disguise believes in the hopium of a candidate more conservative than Obama will change her mind about genocide.
And that people are just gonna vote for her with that reasoning.
The amount of people who rationalize arming a genocide is “ok” if a black lady does it, is more than alarming to me.
I’m not saying “don’t vote for her”, but if liberals wouldn’t try to sweep it under the carpet, and shit post memes to bully progressives/leftists - they might have better odds.
The amount of people who rationalize arming a genocide is “ok” if a black lady does it, is more than alarming to me.
Literally no one is saying this.
Except Kamala. She’s justifying the genocide on her campaign trail. She has said outright that she would not stop arms shipments.
She is also the acting VP and can’t really dissociate herself from the current position. She has also talked much more about ending the conflict, about Israel crossing lines and has signalled as hard as ahe can that things would be different, e.g., snubbing Bibi and not meeting him when he came to America (which drove conservatives apoplectic.)
That is what she will say to the judge in her trial for extermination.
HARRIS: “I know we did authorize those bomb to be sold knowing full well they were used on civilians, but we TALKED about not doing it very hard, your honor”
And your alternative is helping trump to do worse?
The reality is she is going to continue arming Israel until Israel illegally settles all of Gaza. You cannot tell me that her 60 minutes response inspired any amount of confidence on a ceasefire. She totally ignored all of the reports about US arms being used on refugee camps and jumped straight to a single attack against a retaliatory strike towards Israel and reiterated her belief that the US is inextricably linked to Israel. She reiterated the nonsense that Israel has a right to defend itself against the peoples they have oppressed, subjugated, and genocided.
And trump has encouraged Israel to accelerate their efforts.
No one rational is accepting or attracted to harris’stance on Israel. We’re attracted to the idea that it will be worse under trump, with a massive dose of acceleration, bald faced racism including the likely mass deportation of Muslim refugees, and global chaos due to his being 1. Incompetent and insecure 2. A likely unwitting agent of global enemies like Putin.
After all Gaza concepts are discussed and balanced, trump will also materially endanger minority and at risk groups in the US due to blatant policy, stochastic terrorism emitted from the oval office itself, and the appointment of corrupt conservative federal judges that will hold back progressive progress for decades to come. Again, this is important, but not more important than people dying in Gaza. But an American voter should certainly care about America TOO.
For these reasons a vote for Harris is effective but unsavory harm reduction, as at least during a Harris presidency advocacy and progress is even remotely possible, or even legal. Trump has made clear his interest in punishing those who are not aligned with his world, and that’s nearly everyone on the planet.
The fact she happens to be running against a fascist should not let her off the hook from her legal responsiblity. They did authorize bombs to be sold knowing full well they are used against civilians, which is not only deeply disturbing, but illegal per american and international laws.
The reality is she is going to continue arming Israel until Israel illegally settles all of Gaza.
Oh awesome I was looking for one of you people. So - who’s gonna win the World Series? I really need this, my bookie’s already told me he’s gonna cut me off and I don’t like the sound of that!
You ALL are saying that. Literally. You guys are gonna vote for genocide. That is the message you are going to send to the rest of the world. Thus, americans are enemies of civilization.
If you were American at this moment, how would you better serve the Palestinean cause?
Suicide.
Jezz this instance really have a censorship issue. You guys are tankies.
Pretty sure people are gonna die regardless of which genocidal wacko is elected.
Trump is Netanyahu’s favorite candidate. The disrespect to Biden/Blinken ceasefire/restraint timidness is done to make Dems look bad. Blinken is a worthless POS who may not have any serious intent to stop genocide. Both Harris and Bernie, by repeating Israel’s right to defend itself, are essentially ok with all Israeli evil, and the unlimited unconditional free weapon support, despite some occasional reserved statements to the contrary. Trump will just use unconditional support for a war on Iran as a means to ethnically cleanse Muslims from the USA.
The “everyone is a Russian Troll” is worse than dead internet theory. Trump is more progressive on not diminishing Russia through Ukraine proxy war. Whether or not he is paid by Russia, ordinary Americans who think diminishing Russia enriches them are victims of disinformation and emotional media manipulation that makes them think support for diminishing Russia/Putin means they care more about Russian prosperity than Russian leadership, and keeping Ukraine nazified on a path to NATO is somehow “liberal”. US empire has never before reached this level of evil and recklessness. The popular normalization of this evil is a certain contributor to US decline and imminent collapse.
Actual Russian operatives from foreign ministry would see Iran as an ally, though the massive forced Russian military production increase from Ukraine proxy war on it, means massive opportunity to assist Iran in a conflict if Ukraine gets resolved. It also means ultra high oil prices/profits. A war on Iran would still be US empire emboldened. All elected political leaders in November will take loyalty oaths to Israel, and there is no indication that Harris would stop such a war, or not involve US troops. It is just more certain that Trump would.
Lol, “keeping Ukraine nazified”
How much of this was a copypasta from something vaguely related?
A likely end to the war will be Russia keeps the liberated territory, and Ukraine agrees to stay neutral. Ukraine and US will claim victory by not denazifying its rulership. (the only other Russian condition for war starting and continuing)
Lolol.
So, are you paid by the post or the word?
Not to give y’all tips but who in their right mind believes this nazified leadership bullshit?
For a one day old account, it’s very . . . directed.
It’s very scattershot.
This is a copypasta, right? I could swear I’ve seen the exact sentence “Trump is more progressive on not diminishing Russia through Ukraine proxy war” before. And also, please, you have to be joking right now.
Trump is more progressive on not diminishing Russia through Ukraine proxy war
I’m unaware of having used the exact sentence before. The complete absolute madness of wanting a war on Russia or anyone else is what requires propaganda of constant demonization, and the absolute non factual replies “reality is Russian propaganda” shutdown replies that somehow seem convicing in the minds making them. The US empire is pure evil and 100% responsible for Ukraine war. That Trump might launch wars other than Iran is 50/50. Maybe a hotel deal or two will cause peace with China. Biden/Blinken were absolutely terrible on China. “Delete America” is their forced reaction.
Idk fam, maybe Putin has nonzero responsibility here and could simply have not invaded Ukraine in a war of Russian territorial expansion
That Russia is not in a defensive war on the exact same terms as JFK’s red lines to not invade Cuba, or NATO’s humanitarian intervention in Yugoslavia is pure absolute disinformation. Russia successfully achieved a peaceful plan to resolve Ukrainian nazi problem that west also signed in the Minsk accords. In the last democratic election in Ukraine, Zelensky promised to implement Minsk.
That Ukraine is a US puppet since 2014, that Biden/Stoltenberg refused to talk to Russia before or after war started, and boasted that they were able to colonize Sweden and Finland as a result of their warmongering, that nazi paramilitary attacks on Donbas increased as Russia amassed troops to defend their completely reasonable (as per Cuba missile crisis) red lines, and that US sent vassal minion to Kyiv to dissuade Zelensky of the peace deal he made with Russia, is overwhelming proof that a US empire under total subservience to a weapons and oil oligarchy, and Zionist/Neocon warmongering political control that involves Israel loyalty oaths, and an AIPAC “supervisor” for all politicians wants this war to the last Ukrainian. You cannot blame Russia/Putin for the pure disrespect of the US opportunity to use Ukrainian nazis to conscript and silence their population into suicidal provocation of war.
That Russia, a fascist state, is invading Ukraine in order to denazify it rather than to outright annex it in whole or in part is fucking delusional. You and I operate within entirely different realities and we have nothing further to discuss.
The primary purpose is to ensure neutrality/no nato membership. Ukraine can probably negotiate peace on just those terms and claim victory for remaining nazified.
Ukraine has a lower percentage of Nazis than most countries, including russia, which has one of the higher percentages
I really don’t think so.
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
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History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IVI made a comment comparing the number of Nazis in Ukraine to other countries and you responded with a bunch of articles about Ukraine. Where are the comparisons that demonstrate I’m wrong?
Literal Nazis (rabid anti communist as populism) ruling Ukraine/a nation is the difference with ultra conservative racists that beat up minorities outside of a bar. Apart from the absurd “Zelensky or Trump’s daughter is jewish” and is incapable of having nazi allies or overlords, or “in a multi party election the official nazi party only got 2% of vote (low percentage just means voters strategically picked a candidate that had better chance of winning)” doesn’t change the US handpicked rulers/cabinet and other elected politicians passing the above linked nazi/apartheid laws in Ukraine.
You made made no actual comparisons, you simply stated it to be so. I can’t say that I have a handy chart of fascists-per-capita per country. But I do know that up until early 2022, Western corporate media wasn’t shy about how large and serious the fascist problem was in Ukraine in particular. And then they magically vanished, because it all suddenly became a very inconvenient truth.
Cool. Now do Russia.
Unlike Ukraine, Russia doesn’t have an ~80 year long unbroken chain of Nazism. Fascist factions do exist, but they’re nothing like the scale in western Ukraine.
It’s funny how you Russian apologists have all these chronologically sequenced copy-pasta lists of everyone else’s shortcomings, yet when your feet are held to the fire to explain the bullshit Russia does, you have nothing but excuses.
It’s nearly as predictable as a Moscow window suicide.
If you want to call a few fascist gusanos in exile from the Warsaw Pact for 70 years an “unbroken chain,” I can’t stop you.
You won’t be able to stop Putin from sending you to the front line when he runs low on soldiers🤣
Half the Lemmy population is born in Russia. Other half born in the Soviet Union.
Yeah, because that worked out so well when in 2016 when Trump got elected, the GOP got multiple Supreme Court picks, multiple federal judges were given life terms, and Roe vs Wade got struck down. Let’s see how that plays out when Ukraine falls, war breaks out in Europe, America becomes a theocratic dictatorship, and what little progress we may have seen with the environment completely falls apart and the world goes full tilt towards becoming an uninhabitable hellscape. Whatever the protest was about will be utterly meaningless.
If you want to protest, you protest AFTER you get sympathetic ears into office, not after you get the opposition elected. Trump gets in, then suddenly he’ll give you plenty to protest about, vs protesting when Harris is in office and she actually has a willingness to listen to protests and meet their demands.
It’s almost like the current and immediate conflict between Israel and Palestinians isn’t the singular thing that the world should have serious concern about, and that realistic solutions to longstanding international diplomacy issues are - wait for it - hard.
But hard things are hard and involve complexity and nuance! I’d much rather call people racist, spout a simplistic solution and call it a day.
OmG It"s Sooo HarD To ApplY The UN CONvenTioN.
The genociders are hiding behind nuance and “it’s complicated” to explain how they are supporting war crime. Biden and Harris broke the law (international and domestic) by sending weapons to genociders. It’s nothing complicated.
I’m pretty sure the people in Beyruth getting bombed with chemical weapons find the situation quite easy to understand.
You forgot to smugly pat yourself on the back!
Nuh uh!
It’s a genocide not a “conflict.” An ongoing genocide is the number one thing I will care about and you don’t get to decide I shouldn’t care about it
So you’re gonna make sure that the guy who told Netanyahu “Do what you need to do” doesn’t get into office, right?
Just making sure you call it what it is, it’s not a conflict, it’s a genocide
Ongoing genocide is at the top of my “what I’m concerned about” list. If it isn’t for you, maybe you should reflect on that a little
- North Korea
- Myanmar
- Bangladesh and India
- China
- Hamas and Israel
- Ethiopia
- Democratic Republic of Congo
Or is it only what Israel is doing, and only your concern because you can use it as propaganda to tweak the 2024 presidential election in the US?
Who is North Korea even meant to be genociding?
I’m gonna venture a guess that the US could more easily stop Israel’s genocide than any of the others on the list. Like your source’s recommendation for how to address whatever’s allegedly happening in North Korea is to go in and overthrow the government, like we did in Iraq. Seems just a little bit harder than making arms shipments conditional.
Their own citizens, I’d assume
I’d ask whether there’s even a shred of evidence that North Koreans are genociding themselves, but I’m not sure if this is another one of those situations where examining evidence is a bannable offense.
Ukraine, actually.
The one that is made possible by my tax dollars
So definitely China, then, because it’s super impossible for you to avoid products made there and exported to the US.
And fuck those people being genocided where your tax dollars aren’t going, amirite?
And fuck those people being genocided where your tax dollars aren’t going, amirite?
Isn’t that what you’re saying? Except for all of them including Palestinians?
Ongoing genocide is at the top of my “what I’m concerned about” list.
I’ll ask again: Which one(s)?
The one my government is aiding and defending regularly
Getting back to the point, why aren’t you raging about Chinese genocide?
The US is actively, ongoing, and directly funding and supporting the genocide of the Palestinians
Some people think an administration and a party that out right lies about a genocide happening care about them. If someone in a position of power, not only ignore but also support clear evidence of genocide and keep repeating statement that means nothing, they are either agent for a foreign country “AIPAC” or they are in it for themselves and have zero care for poor people.
Don’t forget CUFI, it’s actually bigger and more powerful than AIPAC but doesn’t get as much attention. Christian Zionists are insane psychopaths hell bent on destroying the world (literally)
Ongoing genocide isn’t at the top of drag’s priority list. The top of drag’s list is the imminent omnicide due to climate change. Drag thinks omnicide is a bigger deal than genocide.
And here we have the racist argument saying that brown people cant behave anyway. The middle east always had been a shithole, right?
Everyone who doesn’t support a corporatist duopoly is lazy, dumb, and/or working for the geopolitical rival to my dominant hegemonic country!
One can only wonder why you have not convinced more people with your message and Harris is now losing.
Both. Both are true.
Why not both OP?
