• Lauchs@lemmy.worldOP
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    12 days ago

    Oh the irony here.

    If there are only two viable options, not helping one is the same as helping the other.

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      11 days ago

      All right. I’m gonna give you two choices.

      Suck my dick, or send me 10000 euros. Which one do you pick?

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      12 days ago

      Congratulations on mastering the ability to count. Today we’ll learn how addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, ratios work. Strap in kids its a wild ride!

      Trump has 30 votes Hilary has 8 votes The difference is 22 A ratio of 4/15ths

      If we add one vote to jill she has 1 vote.

      Now class what is the difference in votes for hilary and trump? … Thats right its still 22!

      And the ratio between them?.. Thats right! Still 4/15.

      Now class what if we add 31 more votes to jill?.. Thats right both values are unchanged!

      Funny that. What do we say to hilary kids?..

      Thats right! It sucks to suck. Maybe next time she’ll have some good ideas to convince voters to vote for her!

      But lets assume jill wasnt there: where would those votes have gone? …

      No, timy not necessarily. We dont know who would get them or if those people would have voted for either candidate! We can’t just add them to hilary and trump.

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        12 days ago

        If there’s a toddler about to walk into traffic and you choose to keep swiping on tinder or whatever instead of helping the kid, that kid’s death is still on you.

        Samw thing with not stopping trump.

        It’s really not complicated.

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            11 days ago

            Okay, 40k have died, you can choose to be on your phone and another 80k will die ot you can help and only 40k more will die.

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            Hey kiddo, instead of deflecting to Palestine, how about you explain how either this voting instance is different than the analogy I’ve given or admit that you’d be fine letting the kid die because of whatever.

            If you’re going to be incorrectly smug about voting third party, try answering a reasonable question about it.

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              When talking about genocide germans should be the first to shut the fuck up and listen.

              Dear mod, please consider your conflict of interest policy before deleting this comment. As I am openly vocal about american, german and british complicty in genocide, please consider your own bias before taking any action if you are from these country. You might be legally liable for genocide denialism.

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            12 days ago

            What’s trumps excuse? What’s your excuse? What’s God’s excuse?

            I’m tired of all this. I take full responsibility. If I had done more this tragedy could have been averted. I’m sorry to those who have suffered because of my inadequacy. Render what ever judgment you will on me and in the future, if there is one for scum like me, I will try to do better.

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              12 days ago

              What’s trumps excuse?

              who cares? he never had a chance at my vote to begin with for a large number of reasons. we can just add it to the pile of shitty things trump is okay doing. but we already knew he was willing to commit genocide. this is a surprise to no one who as paid attention.

              What’s God’s excuse?

              dunno if i could find him i’d ask him.

              What’s your excuse?

              for what? not supporting harris? I’ve been very clear on this: genocide.

              I’m tired of all this.

              so am I friend, so am I. I’m not the one running around trying to convince people to vote for a particular candidate by shaming others using intellectually dishonest claims of ‘helping trump’, ‘both parties were going genocide, pick the lesser evil’, etc.

              I want people to get off their ass and vote. I didnt vote for harris or trump, I voted down ballot. I’m also not in a swing state or a state with shitty womens rights. harris is going to win my state regardless. That being said the liberals running around spouting nonsense about helping trump when its clearly and demonstrably not true is going to lead to people not voting at all.

              And that my friend is why I call this shit out. because they might have voted down ticket regardless which can only help the situation. and quite frankly im happy to treat people with the same level of vitriol that they treat others. Now I will continue campaigning against genocide and getting ranked choice done, please volunteer so people can stop being asses to each other.

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                who cares? he never had a chance at my vote to begin with for a large number of reasons. we can just add it to the pile of shitty things trump is okay doing. but we already knew he was willing to commit genocide. this is a surprise to no one who as paid attention.

                It kind of matters. Just a little, don’t you think. Don’t you think the openly fascist candidate mattets, sorta, kinda, just a little bit? You know your vote alone doesn’t decide the outcome the election, right?

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                  12 days ago

                  do you have a point? what do you think I actually care about? its clearly not trump. yes person w/ the most votes wins.

                  let me ask you this, which is sadder: the fascist candidate or the one who can’t beat the fascist candidate because shes entirely unappealing to americans?

                  What do you want out of this conversation? I want you to call your reps and tell them genocide isnt okay. maybe get you to donate your time to getting RCV passed in your state. Ideally anything that gets people to stop bitching about 3rd party voters who most likely are going to vote down ballot for democrats. which if trump wins controlling the senate/house will be critical.

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                How does who you vote for in the presidential election promote RCV? How does it reduce genocide? The action you promote advances neither goal. I will grant that if you’re in a secure state, your vote will have little chance to affect the presidential election, but it also won’t serve as a wakeup call to the winners of the election that FPTP needs to go.

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                  11 days ago

                  You seem very confused. My point is people are pissy about the election because they’re absolutely petrified of trump and are acting like 3rd party votes have any impact one way or another on who wins (they dont).

                  RCV is related because it removes the spoiler effect making these entire conversations disappear. Which i can only count as a good thing because the conversation is stupid and most people are not capable of having a comprehensive understanding of how our election structure interacts with fptp. They see cgp’s video and think they have an understanding but completely ignore the interplay between congress, the president, the electoral college, down ballot effects.

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                    I’d say you’re the confused one. None of what I said contradicts anything in your response, and nothing in your response addresses any of the questions I asked. I can only assume that’s because the answer is obvious and you don’t want to acknowledge it.