And by ‘mature manner’ I mean, without resorting to name calling, being illogical, unreasonable .etc

I’ve recently tried addressing the immigration issue and as expected, three people just came at me emotionally charged than simply discussing the issue I’ve had with it. I’ve seen what I’ve seen, read what I’ve read of it and nothing I believe that I have a problem with it is being stemmed from some underlying hatred towards a group of people.

My problem with it is the prioritization and lack of regulation in regards to immigration. It is a serious issue. But god forbid you want to talk of it, people resort to “U XENOPHOBIC” or “WE ALL WER IMMIGRANTS AT ONE POINT!”. Just completely wiffing on the issue I’ve already presented with it.

What is this subject for you?

  • Jackthelad@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    17 days ago

    Most political issues are a waste of time even trying to talk about on social media, because people on all sides love their echo chambers, and any reasonable argument from a different viewpoint is met with consternation, rather than a healthy debate.

    • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      17 days ago

      Generally agree with this, and I say this as a Marxist debate pervert. However, I have managed to win over people, so it isn’t all a waste.

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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          17 days ago

          Different from person to person. Usually someone comes in with misconceptions surrounding Marxism, AES, Capitalism, or some other subject I happen to have read up on enough to speak on. I try to correct said misconceptions, non-confrontationally. Then, it can go a few ways:

          1. They respond extremely hostilely

          2. They are receptive, at which point I offer a an article or two, or maybe even a full reading list

          3. They are semi-receptive, but don’t actually bother countering my points, just asserting Marxism is “wrong” or something along those lines.

          4. They are a “Marxist” but haven’t read theory. By far the least receptive, so confidently incorrect. These are where the “Marx was an Anarchist” or “the PRC isn’t Socialist” types reside, and are extremely hostile usually as well.

          Honestly, it’s more of a lottery on an individual by individual basis. However, by consistently pushing back against misunderstandings, myths, and other problems, more people tend to be able to be receptive to Marxism.

          Why do you ask?

        • zeppo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          17 days ago

          I have some small discussions with Cowbee and my experience was that he’s much more reasonable to talk to than most other people with similar viewpoints.

  • otp@sh.itjust.works
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    17 days ago

    Do you really think this is a “mature manner”?

    You gave your opinion in another thread, got some replies that were trying to engage in discussion with you, then you ignored them all and came over here to whine about how everyone else is immature and can’t handle discussions about those topics. Seems pretty ironic to me

    • beliquititious@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      17 days ago

      I think a better title for this question might be “What issue do you feel strongly about but have weak arguments for and can only tolerate agreement with your position about?”

      • DominusOfMegadeus@sh.itjust.works
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        17 days ago

        I know this one. Ummmm…God! No, wait. Forced birth! Wait wait, umm….the horrors of Ranked choice voting! No no, no no, it’s the superiority of toxic alpha masculinity. Wait, ok, no this is really it, I swear: Everyone should be vegan!