13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.
What the actual fuck?
The Trump campaign doesn’t hammer the immigration issue just because they’re xenophobic racists. They also do it because it’s one of the few issues that they can run hard on that rallies their base and has the potential to attract some democrats.
People that hate immigrants from either party consider it a central issue, so because it’s so charged, there are actually a small subset of democrats that will hold their nose and vote for Trump because of this single issue.
Immigrants are the blood of the US. This fascist bullshit is the poison.
Horrifying
From the “Great American Melting Pot” to this shit in one generation. WTF
If you think this is new, you haven’t paid attention to history.
This is the US. Mutt Nation. What the hell does “pure” or “poisoned” blood mean here?
Nativism is unfortunately a consistent undercurrent.
Look up the “Know Nothing” movement.
Look up mud people
For reference to my comment: http://rsdb.org/slur/mud_people
This country, possibly your grandfathers or great-grandfathers (and in many cases grandmothes), went to war against Nazis, as did most of the world. There were a few fringe sympathizers, but they weren’t representative of “the greatest generation.”
This shit is a new Nazi wave, and it’s not a continuation of something. It’s a flare-up of an old ugly root. All over the world these shits are gaining ground. New media empowers them.
The idea that the world united against the horrible atrocities of the Nazis is post-war propaganda. Your average person didn’t know anything about what was going on until photos of the camps made their way home as we pushed into Germany itself. Most countries didn’t give a shit about the Nazis until they were on their doorstep. Most people said, “Hitler’s only saying that stuff to get elected. Once he’s in office, he’ll calm down, you’ll see.” And then they said, “Well, if we leave him alone, then he won’t bother us.”
Many people across Europe and North America actually agreed with Hitler’s views about the Jews before “The Final Solution.” Antisemitism was common across Europe and North America, if not the globe. In Mein Kampf, Hitler refers to America as the sisterland across the ocean that shares his values.
The phrase “Make America Great Again” was used by the pro-isolationism political group the America First Committee, who formed in 1940 and dissolved after the attack on Pearl Harbor, who largely opposed support for the UK. And they had over 800,000 members from all different backgrounds (from Democrats and Republicans to communists and anti-communists) with major tones of antisemitism and pro-fascist support amongst its leaders and speakers. They dissolved 4 days after Pearl Harbor and joined the war effort, not to fight the Nazis but to protect the US.
The Nazis were inspired by the treatment of Native Americans when they started their camps, and we had our own camps for Japanese Americans. We hated the Chinese when they came here, and we hated the Irish as well. Most ethnic groups coming to the US settled in communities of their own culture from their homeland. That’s why the culture is so varied here, even across a single state. To quote somebody else, “Racism is as American as apple pie, and some people will see hatred of the first as hatred of the second.”
I remember the days after 9/11, when attacks on black people doubled, attacks on Jews tripled, and Muslim parents were asking their kids if they wanted to change their name to something more American to avoid being bullied. That racism has always been present. It was just often couched in the lie of being edgy jokes or just that one racist uncle at the family party. The biggest differences today are that they’re no longer afraid to say it openly, and the number of young men caught up in the rhetoric of the online fascist pipeline that gives them a target to blame all the problems in their life on. The ironic racist jokes of their teen and childhood years stopped being ironic at some point and became their actual beliefs.
In 2016 they said it couldn’t happen here. They laughed at the idea of trump getting elected. They were shocked when he was elected and racism once again reared its ugly head. In Germany they said it couldn’t happen here and look what happened. Now we have Trump, the racists have come out of the woodwork, project 2025 was revealed and we’re very close to the end of America if we don’t do something.
The idea that Nazi sympathisers were a fringe group is an vast oversimplification of history. Yes, America chose to fight against the Nazis, but there were huge racist/eugenist movements at the time that included high-ranking politicians and military personnel. Look up the America First movement for just one example.
I first learned about this from the podcast ULTRA. I kept having to check their sources and do further research, because what they said sounded so wild that I felt I should have already known it. Instead it’s just another example of people not wanting to teach their uncomfortable history like the Tulsa race massacre, Indian residential schools in the US and Canada, the Tuskegee syphilis study, etc, etc, etc.
Also, I’d suggest you learn about the history of Nazi Germay. The Nazis weren’t this huge supermajority of the German population, they just had people in the right positions, took power by force, and the populace went along with it. It’s not hard to see parallels with a lot of events in US history where if things went just a bit different the USA could have become a racist, authoritarian state.
1/3 of Americans are terrible people.
This is why GW Bush and Trump got elected. There is about 30% that will always vote for R.
its the 100% venn overlap of racists. america is still pretty full up on people who hate other people for no reason but race
The real racists are the ones calling people racist just because they hate people for no reason but race.
How?
Obvious sarcasm getting down votes …
I was seriously considering adding a /s but I was like nah, that’s lame it should be obvious.
Poe’s Law strikes again. There are people who actually say that and mean it.
I feel that they would at least change the framing instead of directly mirroring the OP. “Hating people for no reason but their race” is pretty clearly the definition of racism. Usually racists reframe their argument as actually being about criminality or at the very least some fear of cultural change.
Racists are not a protected group. Its totally fine and important to hate racists
I’m going to take a hit but I don’t care because I really have been talking to someone about this. Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country. Everyone is okay with immigration until a migrant is housed over someone who is naturally born.
I have my problems with immigration. I don’t necessarily blame the individuals, well, some of them because some of the migrants I’ve come across have been quite socially unaware and absolutely refuse to like adapt to the atmosphere of the country they migrated to. And it can be frustrating to deal with. It’s not entirely their fault that businesses seem to see them as just labor fodder as well as the government sees them as economic fodder.
It’s an issue that needs to be discussed and addressed. People don’t want to talk about it because they resort to just brandishing people as xenophobic. But I bet you may have a change of mind if you ever come across a couple of the scenarios I’ve exampled. We have problems in our country when it comes to the homeless, to the veterans and to the poor. I think it is absolutely unfair and unwarranted to prioritize thousands of migrants who come here over all of them.
That is where I think the agreement is coming from. I don’t agree with Trump’s way of handling it (then again every “solution” he comes up with is incredibly extremist and impossible to pull off, especially if it’s coming from him.) I don’t agree also to have open borders either.
We need to sit down and analyze the immigration policy closely, that has been broken for years. Why the hell have we not had a single politician yet that is running for presidency that has a solution by now? For christ sake.
If we continue to not fix this problem, America just going to be weighed down the same way Canada got weighed down. The same way some parts of the EU got weighed down. America is just going to follow suit.
But all we can say is “ugh, you so xenophobic” or “ugh, we’re all immigrants!”.
Come on people, let’s be adults and actually address the issue to fix it, huh?
Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country. Everyone is okay with immigration until a migrant is housed over someone who is naturally born.
Uh…no, I have no problem with an immigrant getting a job in my country. Or having a place to live.
If you aren’t okay with those, then when you say “immigration”, you might be thinking of “tourism”. If you’re not okay with immigrants having a job and a place to live, you’re not okay with tourism.
Witness this right wing authoritarian whining about getting ratio’d for spouting Moral-Fear-Propaganda openly dehumanizing one group of people under another, crying about it.
Fascism is a virus all of it’s own, a weird evil in a bad way, the only kinds of degenerates with the only kind of kinks society must stop. Their bloodlust is the poison. This White-Supermacist, Eugenicist Cancer asks you to turn your neighbor in and destroys every nation that obliges.
So reader, Solidarity Forever. Ill promise you, you promise me, to never sell each other out to these murderous theives. I’ll call you on your shit, please call me on mine. We’ll work together, and our grass will be the greener in time. ❤️🔥
(Obvs wont be replying, will be mute-block-deleting any interactions from bigots)
Man you’re so uneducated, all you know is buzzwords and regurgitated drum lines.
Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country.
I have every right to be here as you do. Why should you get a job that we both applied for just because you were born here?
I’m going to take a hit but I don’t care because I really have been talking to someone about this. Everyone is okay with immigration, until they have faced or been in situations where someone from another country is hired over someone who was naturally born in a country.
I guess they should have had better qualifications.
Everyone is okay with immigration until a migrant is housed over someone who is naturally born.
Are you repeating a JD Vance talking point here? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jd-vance-debate-immigration-housing-prices-real-estate-federal-reserve/
some of the migrants I’ve come across have been quite socially unaware and absolutely refuse to like adapt to the atmosphere of the country they migrated to.
That country being the “great melting pot” where those cultures get adopted by and integrated into society?
People don’t want to talk about it because they resort to just brandishing people as xenophobic.
Except all the people loudly talking about it all the time.
I don’t agree also to have open borders either.
Please name the people who want open borders.
Why the hell have we not had a single politician yet that is running for presidency that has a solution by now?
You mean why do they not have a solution you’ll accept.
But all we can say is “ugh, you so xenophobic”
Possibly.
or “ugh, we’re all immigrants!”.
Correct, unless you’re indigenous.
Correct, unless you’re indigenous.
Really everyone came from somewhere else. If we all go back to where our most distant ancestors came from, that spot in Africa is going to be really crowded.
I’m willing to concede that while indigenous peoples are technically immigrants, they don’t really need to be viewed that way for practical purposes.
It’s about colonised or coloniser, with drastically different privilege and safety for white folks than someone with melanin. You can play nuance games all you want, in the end this is pitting proles against proles for the sake of empire building. The common person would be much safer, happier and harmonious in the world of Land Back than the Neo-Colonialism we endure.
The Imperial Middle: Why Americans cant think straight about class
I think you may have missed the point of the article. I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume democrats don’t want to do anything about immigration. Trump and Biden both have basically the same plan to address illegal immigration. Harris’ plan is similar to both of theirs as well.
Illegal immigration is not nearly as serious as the average Republican might believe. They add strain to systems already working beyond their limits, but legal or illegal migrant workers aren’t displacing citizens at work and aren’t leading to the kinds of outcomes Mr. Trump would like his followers to believe. It does happen occasionally, but not enough to justify the alarming hate filled rhetoric.
The problem is that “poisoning the blood” is nakedly racist. The phrase has been used for over 100 years as a dog whistle for white nationalism. How can you have a rational discussion about addressing the real problems that enable illegal immigrants (American businesses hiring them) or the additional strain they put on already over worked and under funded public services if one side is ideologically set on the notion that migrants are evil?
I don’t think it’s reasonable to believe that democrats don’t want to address the border. Safe, legal migration into the United States benefits everyone. If we streamlined the legal immigration process and cracked down hard on businesses and individuals hiring undocumented migrants, that would address the bulk of migrants illegally crossing our borders.
Perhaps we make it a felony with mandatory jail time (per infraction) to hire an undocumented worker or own a company that employs them. Or perhaps we remove the exemptions some types of businesses enjoy from paying minimum wage. One of the reasons businesses hire illegal immigrants in the first place is they are cheaper than American workers because you can pay them less than minimum wage.
Right now there are a lot of businesses that benefit from cheap migrant labor, if we can break that trend, some of those businesses will fold, for sure. But do we want to let failed businesses that can’t stay open without breaking the laws of the United States to continue to operate?
Edit: And of course as expected, three people already came up to bat and readily swung and missed by getting too emotional with their responses. That’s not really taking the issue like an adult.
Is that what you think really happened? Can you quote this emotionality from my response since I was one of those three?
After working construction for decades I can say that American workers are shit compared to foreigners. Muslim workers are the hardest. Especially from Ethiopia or Somalia. They learn fast too and are better in many cases than Mexican or SA workers. PLUS no drug or alcohol or daddy/mommy/religious issues.
When I was building in Africa we finished a project 3 days early. They didn’t even have the skills, we taught on site. That would NEVER happen with regular Americans.
Those are immigrants though. Have you ever seriously looked into the bullshit you need to go through to move to another country? It’s insane.
Every immigrant is more impressive than any Olympian.
I think this is also a problem of perspective: the US Democrats are only “left” when seen from inside the US political spectrum. Seen from the outside they barely reach a center position and would be considered conservative-right in many other countries.
13% of any national group is enough to account for people who don’t have any good reason to identify with that group but do so because their friends or family did.
Knowing what 13% of Democrats think tells you what the party is not, not what the party is. It’s irrelevant to the tired, old point that you’ve dragged out here.
All you pale face non-natives gyit the fuuuck out!
To be fair, a significant percentage of those non-natives didn’t choose to be here in the first place.
Not the paleface ones, but…
Sooo…. A third of Americans have no problem admitting that the part of their brain that processes logic and reason is irreparably damaged.
More like not developed. Though I suppose a bit of both.
I wonder how many of those people are children of immigrants.
(although, in a broader view, probably all of them are at least descendants of immigrants)
Donald Trump is the child of an immigrant. His mother was from Scotland.
Of course, that makes her the “right kind” of immigrant.
And then there’s two of the mothers of four of his children. Ivana and Melania, both immigrants.
His new bestie, Musk, is 1st generation. As is Thiel. I’d be fine with deporting them though.
I agree. In fact, can we really be sure that any other billionaires might or might not be immigrants? We should probably round them all up just to be safe. We can deport the ones we think are immigrants and worry about the rest later.
I was at a Ska show last night. They played a tRump ad about the border before the music. We almost left. Surreal, honestly, for the type of crowd I would expect.
Music and politics are super weird. Paul Ryan, former Republican speaker of the house, was an RATM fan until Tom Morello told him to fuck off. Ann Coulter is a massive Deadhead. So is Tucker Carlson. There’s even a photo of Tucker hanging out with Jerry Garcia when he was in his 20s. The story is in an interview here if you can stomach it: https://www.maxraskin.com/interviews/interview-with-tucker-carlson
And then there’s the musicians themselves- Johnny Ramone, Alice Cooper, Gene Simmons, all conservatives.
Yeah, I get it. I was really into Dead Kennedys and Jellos spoken words. The whole movement was anti-rayguns. It’s just super weird. I imagine Paul Ryan is so dumb he didn’t realize he was the forces in which we we were raging. Conservatives are not big on context. i.e. YMCA…
Music and right-wing politics are weird. I can’t even begin to count how many bands were proudly anti-war in the 70s. Then there’s the punk movement, which was highly critical of Reagan and Bush.
I guess music and a message of hope/protest works better than a message of oppression, especially when appealing to youth.
Springsteen’s Born in the U.S.A. is about a Vietnam veteran who has been fucked over by the country he came back to.
Reagan used it as part of his flag-waving “it’s morning in America” bullshit because no one listened to the lyrics beyond “I was born in the U.S.A.”
Springsteen should allow them to use the song but without the music just the lyrics.
Yeah, it’s like Trump playing CCR’s Fortunate Son. Fogerty was pissed.
Some folks are born made to wave the flag Hoo, they’re red, white and blue And when the band plays “Hail to the chief” Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord
It ain’t me, it ain’t me I ain’t no senator’s son, son It ain’t me, it ain’t me I ain’t no furtunate one, no
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand Lord, don’t they help themselves, Lord? But when the taxman come to the door Lord, the house lookin’ like a rummage sale, yeah
It ain’t me, it ain’t me I ain’t no millionaire’s son, no, no It ain’t me, it ain’t me I ain’t no fortunate one, no
Yeah-yeah, some folks inherit star-spangled eyes Hoo, they send you down to war, Lord And when you ask 'em, “How much should we give?” Hoo, they only answer, “More, more, more, more”
It ain’t me, it ain’t me I ain’t no military son, son, Lord It ain’t me, it ain’t me I ain’t no fortunate one, one
Dude, I have anxiety (/s) from some of the people I have heard blast this. Like…YOU ARE the FORTUNATE ONE…the square footage of your pool would beg to differ on the amount of oppression the system is hoisting upon you :)
He also plays YMCA at the end of his rallies constantly. I guess his audience doesn’t know what that song is about or who The Village People even were.
Nothing could keep me there.
The US has a growing fascism problem
It does not go away with Trump. I wish democrats would address it instead of pointing at Trump like he’s an aberration
Fascism is the problem. Trump is a very notable symptom, but many others are also to blame for the fascism issue, including some democrats. I believe this fixation with Trump is due to people wanting simple answers to complex problems.
The symptom is on the brink of winning everything.
When you have a 42 °C fever, you focus on the fever before worrying about the infection. Dead people don’t need antibiotics.
The fixation is because there is no clear line of succession. If he fails, who steps in? They’ll splinter and fragment. They’ll still be deplorable, but less effective when not united behind a single authoritarian leader.
Like how democrats splintered and fragmented when Biden stepped down?
They’ll reform and continue gaining power in lower-level positions until the next election, like they’ve been doing since 2020
I cannot emphasize how naieve it is to think this problem will go away if all we do is beat trump, or even if he dies or gets incarcerated.
Democrats aren’t authoritarians. It’s a bad comparison. Democrats are always fragmented, it’s virtually a defining characteristic. Post-Biden unity has been quite unusual.
Like I said, it’s incredibly naive to think this problem goes away when Trump does.
If you say so.
I searched for the actual question text and found:
Q19a. The immigrants entering the country illegally today are poisoning the blood of our country.
The split was 14% completely agreed and 20% mostly agreed.
I’m not as surprised by the results as the headline would have suggested because of the use of the word illegally. It biases the question negatively.
The 20% who mostly agreed may have agreed with some negative connotation surrounding illegal immigration while ignoring the racism of “poisoning the blood.” In other words, if I put myself in the shoes of someone who feels strongly about securing the border, I could understand how those respondents would lean towards agree simply because of the use of the word “illegal.”
To further support this interpretation: In the same survey, more than 40% of respondents favor or strongly favor building a wall along the US-Mexico border.
Maybe I’m just optimistic that only around an eighth of the country is completely crazy and that is just a less clickbaity title.
