It was only in 1969 (nice) that fungi officially became its own separate kingdom.
Pluto is a planet, though. It’s officially considered a “dwarf” planet, and as “dwarf” is just an adjective, it’s still a planet (just like a short person is still a person). The other 8 new dwarf planets (Ceres, Eris, Makemake, Haumea, Gonggong, Quaoar, Orcus, and Sedna) are also all planets - so we have 17 planets total.
Seriously, though. By the same 3 criteria that Pluto isn’t a planet, Mercury isn’t (as it isn’t in hydrostatic equilibrium).
I mean Pluto IS a planet i guess what people mean when they say pluto is not a planet is that it is no longer part of our solar system
No, they don’t.
No, that’s just you. I’m genuinely curious why you’d think anyone would ever make the argument Pluto isn’t part of our solar system.
I think an issue here is that taxonomic and colloquial definitions don’t always agree.
Spiders are colloquially bugs, but they’re not taxonomically “true bugs” (which is itself a colloquialism for Hemiptera). Tomatos are colloquially vegetables but taxonomically fruits…but afaik vegetable is a purely colloquial term anyway.
And as someone else in the thread mentioned, colloquial berries are not always taxonomic berries.
So…colloquially, “plants” sorta means, “macroscopic multicellular living non-animal thing,” but taxonomically it’s something else.
And literally anything is a fish if you try hard enough
I mean, probably not bacteria or viruses.
Similarly, “a planet” can be understood in technical or colloquial context which changes the meaning. It can have a specific meaning or a vague flexible meaning, just like with berries.
BTW raspberries are my favorite berries… sort of. Watermelons are pretty good too.
I like bananas
Actually planet doesn’t have any hard set definition, we kind of just do it case by case because its damn near impossible to come up with a rigid definition that doesn’t suddenly classify some planets as moons or some moons as planets or create weird situations in which an object can switch between the two.
The International Astronomical Union (IAU) defined in August 2006 that, in the Solar System, a planet is a celestial body that:
- is in orbit around the Sun,
- has sufficient mass to assume hydrostatic equilibrium (a nearly round shape), and
- has “cleared the neighbourhood” around its orbit.
And in that same article:
It has been argued that the definition is problematic because it depends on the location of the body: if a Mars-sized body were discovered in the inner Oort cloud, it would not have enough mass to clear out a neighbourhood that size and meet criterion 3. The requirement for hydrostatic equilibrium (criterion 2) is also universally treated loosely as simply a requirement for roundedness; Mercury is not actually in hydrostatic equilibrium, but is explicitly included by the IAU definition as a planet
That’s not even addressing the issue of rogue planets which were ejected from their star system. Many estimates say they outnumber the stars. Obviously when a planet is ejected it doesn’t just disintegrate but by that poor definition it’s no longer a ““planet””, so it’s clearly a problematic definition.
If you’re talking about tomatoes, the difference is the context, and it isn’t a choice between colloquial vs scientific taxonomy, but between culinary/nutritional vs botany/taxonomy (and). You can talk about either in a colloquial context or a formal context, though generally there isn’t much reason to talk about botany in a colloquial setting.
From a nutritional perspective, mushrooms are generally considered vegetables, too.
afaik vegetable is a purely colloquial term anyway.
I thought you were wrong but I looked it up and I appear to have been mistaken. It makes “tomatoes are fruits, not vegetables” sound nonsensical, as it implies that “vegetable” is a different taxonomical option, when really it’s just a word for objects with a particular collection of traits that are relevant in a different context. What we should he saying is “While tomatoes are not fruit in the food pyramid, taxonomically, they are.” Doesn’t really roll off the tongue, though. Maybe “Tomatoes are vegetables AND fruits!” would solve that?
but what about berry club? which things count as berries now?
I hate the word colloquial
Colloquialism is the best word.
very well said
I overheard someone talking about veganism and said they only eat plants. I asked them about mushrooms, “of course it’s fine, those are plants”.
No amount of convincing worked.So I’ve seen it once.
Mushrooms are plants in the culinary sense. Like strawberries, blackberries and raspberries are berries in the culinary sense.
Yup. Inside culinary classifications, fungi don’t exist. Outside of culinary classifications, vegetables don’t exist.
Separate culinary definitions? That’s nuts!
But not peanuts, which are legumes.
Culinary definition doesn’t differentiate plants, but mushrooms are vegetables.
If anything is close to having a consciousness and experiencing an array of emotion, including suffering. That’s a mushroom, much more than a plant.
Actual animals are far more likely to feel pain that fungi. Do fungi even have a nervous system?
We actually suspect they do. They can also display intelligent behavior, from a certain definition of the concept.
Fungi are a nervous system.
The mycelium, maybe. That is definitely not the part of the mushroom that you eat.
so hang on, mushrooms are like uh, well not milk, but as if say a cow regrew its meat every season? or maybe like a lizard that regrows its tail?
mushrooms are weird, man
wild idea, would it be possible to hijack mycelium with animal DNA and make it grow mushroom shaped meat??
Notch funds a real life Mooshroim when?
First time hearing this but mushroom is a protein source so from diet perspective, I see it as a meet type food. Deff not vegatable
So are chickpeas or edamame meat to you? Because they have like ~5 times as much protein by weight than mushrooms.
I would go with, based totally on feelz, that no because it generally note used like that.
As you think is all super science here, trust me bro
Mushrooms have some protein, but not very much. They aren’t a very good source of protein
The definition of planet is completely subjective, whereas the definition of mushroom is based on science and evolution.
Some people believe the earth is flat, I don’t think whether the definition is scientific or not matters much lmao
I have family in Streator, IL, home of Clyde Tombaugh, so we’re die hard planet pluto.
I’ve met people who were certain that bugs weren’t animals
Hell I’ve met people that don’t think humans are animals
Interestingly people who don’t understand they are animals are the least human
I’ve met a lot more people who think people aren’t animals than people who think bugs aren’t.
I’d like to see your statistical records.
Left them in my other pants, unfortunately.
like everything else in this thread, doesn’t it depend on the context? like I’m willing to bet that if you polled a ton of people to “draw an animal” the overwhelming majority would draw vertebrates
That doesn’t mean that the animals they don’t draw aren’t animals
From what I’ve seen, dudes that care that much about mushrooms are really fun guys.
I think OP is on mushrooms.
If Pluto is a planet, then Ceres is a planet too. CERES RIGHTS!
Let’s just acknowledge that anything big enough to be round is a planet. That’s the bare minimum criteria.
Orbit shapes and clear paths don’t matter, the Solar system isn’t a typical stellar system, many aren’t so stable and ordered, especially in binary and triplet star systems. So the pedantry around the shapes of the orbits of the outer kuiper planets is a very silly thing to argue about. After all most orbits in binary and triplet systems aren’t even predictable long term, let alone not circular.
So that makes Earth and Moon a binary planet system. I’m cool with that
I believe the rule of thumb is binary planets’ barycentre is external to either body. This is the case with Pluto/Charon,
I think it’s also the case with Earth/Moon.It is not the case with the earth and the moon. It would be if the moon was 40% more massive
Yeah, I went and checked after posting.
My hunch is that if the moon was closer it would ‘drag’ the barycentre closer to the moon.
Which, given the moon is slowly receeding, means it was probably a binary early on in the formation of the solar system.
Other way around, the further apart the objects are the less likely the barycentre is to be inside one of them, you can picture it as a rubber band with a dot drawn on it, the more you stretch it the further the dot gets from both ends even if it gets further from one end faster.
OK, can you name all planets in the solar system?
Sure. Jeff, Darryl, Norma, Luanne, I got lotsa names.
Remember the Cant!
Watermelons are berries. Strawberries are not.
Tomatoes are a fruit.
They are not made of straw, either.
All hail the Mushroom King!
You can use mushrooms in Plants vs Zombies.
It isn’t called “Plants and Fungi vs Zombies.”
Ergo, mushrooms are plants.
Checkmate, atheists!
Fuck you op. Mushrooms are plants, Pluto is a planet, and that’s the truth from one edge of this flat Earth to the other.
~disclaimer: this is a joke~
Honestly? Flat earth? It’s not even funny as a joke. That entire movement has been so incredibly detrimental, and dangerous. It has shattered families, and been an instruction manual for other conspiracy theorists. And the worst thing of all is that it makes actual, real facts about how the earth is in, in reality, a hollow shell with a breathable atmosphere in its inferior, come across as just as crazy as flat earth. How are we supposed to spread the truth of hollow earth when flat earthers are out there making us look crazy? Just because hollow earth also points out that the government is lying about the earth doesn’t mean we’re the same! People need to know about hollow earth! Otherwise, we’ll never be able to heal the housing market by building condos inside the earth!
That’s how we get morlocks, though
Ugh. Morlock racism crops up yet again! The morlocks did nothing wrong
I’ll be running for President next cycle on a platform based around Morlock equality. Make America Morlock Again!
You’ve got my vote! #MorlockInTheWhitehouse2028
Honestly? Flat earth? It’s not even funny as a joke. That entire movement has been so incredibly detrimental, and dangerous. It has shattered families, and been an instruction manual for other conspiracy theorists. And the worst thing of all is that it makes actual, real facts about how the earth is in, in reality, a hollow shell with a breathable atmosphere in its inferior, come across as just as crazy as flat earth. How are we supposed to spread the truth of hollow earth when flat earthers are out there making us look crazy? Just because hollow earth also points out that the government is lying about the earth doesn’t mean we’re the same! People need to know about hollow earth! Otherwise, we’ll never be able to heal the housing market by building condos inside the earth!
I bet they don’t think Atlantis existed, either…
What’s the worst that could happen if you didn’t put in that disclaimer?
Similarly plate tectonics - not fully recognised until the 60s apparently.
Pluto is a mushroom
No, Pluto is a plant.
No. Pluto is an animal.
Source: Disney Wiki
Is he though? He’s anthropomorphic, speaks clear English, and owns a dog.
Pluto is an animal-shaped person.
Wait no that’s Goofy. Pluto is an animal owned by an animal-shaped person!
Ya done goofed!
Goofily!
