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Donald Trump on Sunday proposed a new policy that many critics said is equivalent to legalizing “The Purge.”
Trump spoke at a rally in Pennsylvania, where he admitted that his attendees were “falling asleep” at one of his earlier rallies. Vice President Kamala Harris’ campaign noted that, as Trump was still speaking at the swing-state event over the weekend, rallygoers placed directly behind the former president started to funnel out of the building.
One comment Trump made drew condemnation on social media, as well as numerous comparisons to The Purge, a film series based on a dystopian world in which the government makes all crimes legal for a 12-hour period.
As reported by Sebastian Smith, AFP Washington desk chief, “Trump in Erie, PA, says in US ‘the police aren’t allowed to do their job.’ To stop crime, you need ‘one really violent day.’ He says: ‘One rough hour and I mean real rough, the word would get out and it would end immediately.’”
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They make it sound like he shouldn’t have said it out loud. This is the shit his loyalists love! He means to say it and they were meant to hear it.
He wasn’t “caught” doing shit.
The night of broken glass is literally their guide book.
Why would this be surprising to anyone…
Donald Trump: “I will literally do a Kristallnacht, and kill queer and ethnic minorities with impunity using a standing army. I want to use the police to extrajudicially slaughter undesirable citizens.”
Media: “Donald Trump thinks the movie The Purge is real! 🤪 What a goofball! 🤣”
This is all you really need to know about any of this
University of Texas law professor Lee Kovarsky said, “People confuse telling hard truths with just being a total f------ idiot.”
Not enough people are shamed into keeping quiet these days, they think they’re being politically incorrect or edgy or owning woke libs. They’re really just letting everyone who knows how things work that they don’t know
The regular process would be:
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have idea for easy solution to known problem
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think it through
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realise that there more factors at play that would lead to other problems
Trump reaches stage 1 on a good day.
He has the concept of an idea.
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Also total f------ Nazi. That bit’s important too.
Every time I think this motherfucker can’t surprise me by going any lower…
He will say absolutely anything to get in power and avoid the catastrophe that awaits should he fail.
With all the crimes he’s committed that are well documented and easily proven and thus far only some convicted but not sentenced, he’s walking a tightrope. If he falters the consequences are dire.
At best his debts catch up to him and his family legacy is in tatters.
At worst he is in prison for the rest of his life from a treason charge.
If he wins no judge will sentence him until he’s out of office, which he may never be with all the GOP groundwork being laid to create a puppet dictatorship controlled by conservative oligarchs.
I half expect him to go running into Putin’s arms at some point.
I would expect him to ask Putin for help in controlling ‘the mob’ in exchange for Alaska and the rest of the North Pole, so Putin can rule the world.
I expected that on Jan 7, and for a long time afterward.
I don’t anymore, because I realized something: he’s literally too narcissistic to be able to comprehend the concepts of failure and consequences. He will never run because in order to make the decision to do so, he would have to admit to himself that he lost.
So just let the cops go out and hit the streets free of ethics and legal restraint to just do whatever the fuck they want for an hour to beat the public in submission. That’s not at all dictatory. Nope. Not one bit.
Yeah, his suggestion is actually worse than the Purge.
That’s what they do now and we live in a free and democratic society so no it’s not.
Isn’t that basically where we are already?
Just goes to show how awful he thinks it should be.
They forget that the people have guns too. As a matter of fact, this is the exact reason the second ammendment exists in America. To defend against those like Shit Stain Donnie.
What are your guns going to do against a fucking tank? Or grenade launchers? Or just a generally much more equipped militarized police force who will call the national guard in (who have even more fire power) like the little bitches they are?
Also many of the people with guns will be using the guns to help the police murder poor minorities (and call that “fighting tyranny”).
When the Russians did their trip to Kyiv they partly got stopped by unarmed civilians with Molotov’s.
Just saying.
You’re right. Better let them just have their way instead. I don’t know what I was thinking. There is no point in defending the country from a fascist takeover.
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Yes. Defend the country. Fight for the country.
Don’t pretend that having a tacticool gun is going to accomplish anything. Whoever controls the military controls the country. No amount of firearms stashed throughout the house are going to change that because the cops will literally drive a tank through your house and shoot you and your family’s corpses.
Cops have families too. Generals need to buy groceries. There are plenty of ways to resist a fascist government given the proper motivation. Firearms are just one (pretty effective when used correctly) way to accomplish that goal.
Vietnam and Afghanistan are both great examples of how a guerilla force with access to primarily small arms can force a much more powerful army to expend so many resources fighting a war of attrition that it eventually becomes untenable to continue. It’s not glamorous or particularly quick but it’s an option that isn’t on the table if the most resistance you can muster is trying to get close enough to stab the right people.
So… your assault rifle exists just to pop Mrs O’Coppy in the face and not much else?
And Vietnam and Afghanistan ARE great examples.
The Vietcong basically only stood a chance because they were entrenched in a low visibility jungle that negated most of the advantages the other side had. And Afghanistan? The Brave Men And Women Of The Mujahideen ™ were getting slaughtered until they were given stinger missiles to counter soviet air superiority (wonder who gave them those…). And the more recent conflict was more about IEDs than any form of stand up combat.
Also: If you are at the point where you have no hope of progress and just want to bleed an occupying force dry? Assault rifles are bulky. What you want is a high velocity pistol round that you can conceal and unload point blank on. Also you want to roll back time ten or twenty years and get rid of all those cameras that will immediately trace you back to the neighborhood you are hiding out in.
Yes guns are used to shoot people in the face in war. What’s odd about that to you?
We get it, you don’t like guns and you don’t think they have any place in society. However, you haven’t made any other statements than that. In this hypothetical situation that’s looking more and more like our future reality every day, your plan to resist fascism is what exactly? Because at the end of the day I think you know that having a gun opens up more options than you would otherwise have and you’re just having a hard time picturing guns in any other context than you’re used to talking about them in.
Everyone here thinking Trump is saying the quiet part out loud… but as the senile old man he is, I think he just saw the movie and is confusing whatever his handlers told him to say with that he fell as sleep watching on TV
“Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.”
Unless you have proof of malice.
Except when someone is a proven fascist with a long history of proposing the violent oppression of women, non-whites and minorities, and affiliated with a large political party that shares this aim. Then it’s probably malice.
Or… both? Yeah, it’s probably both.
Naw this is a case of the media tiptoing around him and preferring easily digested headlines.
He’s clearly not describing The Purge in the actual quote. He doesn’t want to make crime legal.
He’s describing Kristallnacht. He wants the cops to be able to punish anyone they want with as much violence as they want. He wants a massacre of anyone they declare a criminal, aka minorities and dissidents.
It’s so much fucking scarier than the bullshit headlines and it’s so fucking frustrating.
This is my take. I’ve never watched the purge.
It sounds to me like he’s just saying the police need to be able to dispense “justice” with impunity, and in his mind that can be tempered be saying you’d only need to do it once.
It’s just the latest in a long line of really concerning attitudes that the right seems happy to support.
Honestly i feel like this current lurch to the right, as we try to manage climate change, AI, and wealth concentration, is the great filter. We have some big problems and the right is just so determined to double down with all our current shitty plans.
It’s crazy we are going to be alive to see the great filter take place
I don’t think you’re understanding what The Great Filter is.
The Great Filter is the collective human behavior that will doom us to an unlivable world. This is stuff like anthropogenic climate change, overhunting/overfishing, and nuclear war. Stuff that keeps humanity from elevating itself beyond a Type-0 Civilization by destroying what we need to survive on our own planet.
What Trump is suggesting is genocide and state violence. This has jack shit to do with the survival of humanity, and everything to do with the survival of living breathing human beings that will be murdered by fascists.
This isn’t some inevitable natural law of the universe. If anything, that suggestion is egregiously offensive and harmful. There are things we can do right now to prevent it. This is direct human malice that will only affect the poorest and most marginalized people, and while leaving the fascists and their allies unharmed.
Put down your sci-fi novels and pick up a history book before you make yourself complicit in what’s happening.
You’ve misconstrued the comment you’re replying to because you either misunderstood or didn’t read my comment above it.
I’m not saying Trump’s latest brain fart is “the great filter”.
I’m saying the great filter is populations all over the world having a propensity to vote for people like Trump, who actively plan to make all the problem’s we’re facing much worse to further their own ends.
I’ve never been an alarmist, but I will say that as a species we don’t seem to be on a trajectory towards prosperity, and global leaders don’t seem to have a plan to correct that trajectory.
He’s more and more openly using fascist rhetoric right out of Hitler’s playbook too. That the only book we know he owns is one with Hitler’s speeches is just conincidence I’m sure. (Not that he can read, but maybe the Saw puppet reads it to him now before going down on his mushroom.)
This is magas new Jesus. They worship this felon regardless of what he does or says.
Him, the evening before: “Oh yes, you’re a bigly big mac aren’t you, let’s just curl up on the couch and watch my stories…”
Lee Kovarsky: “People confuse telling hard truths with just being a total f------ idiot”
I need to use that. For my whole life people have always stated obvious shit and hateful statements and insist that being hateful and insulting automatically means the truth.
If they actually did that it would probably start a second civil war for the USA, right? Good luck, people across the pond. Try to keep your country sane
Look, Trump is going to say more and more deranged things as time goes by. This is how he ran as president, say something deranged to distract from the last thing that he said was so deranged.
I bet he’s actually really upset that two people have tried to kill him, but nobody has tried to kill Kamala. He’s going to say more extreme things, get closer and closer to the line, try to give people more upset… This is how he owns a new cycle. This is his gimmick. This is his playbook. He wants the violence, it feeds his ego.
Purge works both ways, Donnie.
Getting way too real but those movies are actually well worth watching. No, not the first one where Ethan Hawke and Lena Heady are rich white upper middle class people who are betrayed by their neighbors because they didn’t own enough guns. Like… every other Purge movie
The reality is what we already see. The Holy Second Amendment is supposed to let people defend thmselves but it results in rich (predominantly white) people owning forty ARs and heavy body armor whereas lower class ethnic folk MIGHT have a pistol for self defense. And when shit hits the fan? Fat white kids cross state lines to mow down some protesters with their assault rifles.
And every movie (except the god awful first one) addresses this. Bubba Gump’s convenience store lost their purge insurance so he is forced to try and defend his livelihood. Hispanic women are openly told they will be raped when the clock hits 6 (?). Impoverished black neighborhoods have klan members bussed in to murder them all (its cool though because Y’lan Noel goes John Wick on the nazis). Totally Not Hilary Clinton gets the biggest target ever painted on her head on purge night (its cool though. Frank Grillo is mostly only a dumbfuck that Chris Evans will never talk to again but damned if he isn’t an awesome white guy with a pistol). And the rest of the rich white fucks just hang out in panic rooms with the poors they bought the rights to torture and murder.
Because that is the reality. Privilege is everything. If you have enough money you can avoid the consequences of anything. Whether it is the decades of horror because people were too busy looking at Marisa Tomei’s ta-tas to realize she should not be allowed to write legislature, the fucking idiocy of wanting a heavily armed populace, or just driving drunk and running over a few kids in a car.
It’s an outrageously idiotic idea if you put more than 3 seconds of thought into it. It’s cool they were able to make some kind of allegory for the lowest common denominator to understand classism or some shit, but I don’t know how anyone could suspend disbelief given such a ridiculous premise
I mean, I dont disagree that the concept is insanely idiotic but all they’ve done in the purge is take the concept of a pogrom and applied it to modern day america. The premise isn’t that rediculous. It has happened, in real life. Yeah they’ve leaned into it, and dialed up the crazy fevor a bit, but its not so removed from real life accounts of pogroms.
Sadly he’d have his little safe room to quiver in until the dust settles. Like the rich people in the movies that would drop security shutters and party through the holiday.
Wouldn’t even be in a safe room, he just wouldn’t be in the country.
Unfortunately the press and the peanut gallery have it very wrong on this one.
He’s not calling for the purge.
He’s calling for krystalnacht.
Unfortunately the press and the peanut gallery have it very wrong on this one.
Deliberately. Comparing it to the Purge rather than the Kristallnacht gives the majority of people who only read the headline the wrong idea about what he actually meant, which derails the discussion towards “crazy old man says another crazy thing” rather than “crazy old fascist says another fascist thing”.
That was a purge though. Also the night of the long knives.
Yeah the message is getting across.
When people are using the the term “The Purge” they mean like in the movie series. Very different concept.
Which isn’t what he said. He said let the police loose for one “very rough” hour. Not everyone gets to do something for a day. He did not describe the movie like the media is suggesting. That would involve people shooting back at him. Which he’s not a fan of. No he described something altogether darker where he and the police get to kill people with no accountability.
You literally just explained my own point back to me.
I see what happened. I didn’t see the entire thread and assumptions got made. Sorry about that.
You two are great, it’s nice to see people not get all chest thumpy online.
All good 👍
You all lived through a trump presidency before and we are about to live through a whoever runs the biden one. None of this crazy shit is going to come to pass. It’s just going to be more of the same.
The only thing consistent since obama’s second term has been the decline.
we are about to live through a whoever runs the biden one.
You mean Biden
So just casually passing on the conspiracy that Biden isn’t actually acting as president? That someone is playing him like a puppet?
One side is calling for literal fascist ideologies and polices. Imprisoning, deporting, and killing whomever they declare are undesirable.
The other is calling for abortion rights, trans rights, gay rights. Actively working to make life better for all Americans, and not just themselves.
Total corruption of the SCOTUS…
Say that to the mothers that were forced to give birth to rape babies.
If it’s “more of the same” I’d like the sane ones to ein. Y’know, just in case.
Roe v Wade
Look at this little both sides bitch trying so hard.
Last time you guys said nothing bad would happen, a million of us died for no good reason.
I don’t think Trump is talking about a purge. What Teump is saying that the police should be allowed to get as violent as they want for that one hour.
You know typical dictator stuff.
Hilarious, as if police haven’t been doing what they want this entire time. They literally rape minors they arrest and get away with it. They barely have consequences already.
It can absolutely get worse.
That was my interpretation too. Still lawlessness, but for the police.
And their deputies, of course. Whoever they choose to deputize.
Yep, and that is a lot worse.
The police already fairly violent now. Imagine if the police got a carte blanche do whatever they want.
Imagine
Glad you got that head start
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You think trump is really that thoughtful. I swear he just word salads his way through the day. Just like his social media posts.
Usually I would say it’s better to assume incompetence than malice. It’s a much better way to relate to the world.
There are two exceptions though:
- When you’re riding a bicycle on a road with cars around.
- When you’re putting someone in a position of power.
I don’t think so. It reads to me like, if one day of massive violence from people generally, happened, then after that the police would be given freedom to crack down severely on everything.
“Fear leads to…‘the security of My New Empire’”
Addendum: I re-read the quote and now I feel I can read it either way.
Like Rodrigo Deutre in the Philippines.
Right. In a The Purge, you’d be allowed to actually defend yourself from the police.
Yeah, that is the movie “the purge” but only legalized for US police, because US police hasn’t been violent enough yet in comparison to other police forces world wide.
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I suspect he’s talking about giving the police carte blanche, not anyone else.
And he likely also has a certain idea of who the criminals are.
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He still thinks the “Central Park 5” should have been executed even though they were exonerated. 5 young men who share a certain skin color with me…
One comment Trump made drew condemnation…
Just one?
People already become cops to indulge in violence without repercussions.
