• meliante@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Fedora Workstation 40.

    On windows until last year, after trying 11 on my T440s which made it unbearably slow so had to start over but instead of going back to 10 tried a bunch of distros.

    Fedora stuck, mainly because of gnome vanilla (I really like the paradigm, don’t care about deep personalisation) and how everything just worked great.

    Fight me?

    • twei@discuss.tchncs.de
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      5 months ago

      Nah, Fedora is a valid choice, just like Ubuntu is. Both are great if you don’t care that much about personalization and just want a solid distro to get work done.

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Fedora is pretty much the new Ubuntu more or less. Ubuntu has gone so far downhill that I can’t recommend it to anyone and that’s been the case for quite a while.

          • tsugu@slrpnk.net
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            5 months ago

            Pretty much. Canonical made a few questionable choices in the past but overall they’ve done a lot for the Linux community. And their distro is very good. There is a reason why distros choose it as their base.

        • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.ukEnglish
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          5 months ago

          Yeah, it’s fine. Haven’t had too much trouble in a good 10 odd years, once the WiFi drivers settled. Mind you I’m not fucking upgrading to 24.04 for another couple of weeks.

        • iopq@lemmy.world
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          5 months ago

          Spent a ton of time trying to install GrapheneOS because web USB doesn’t work in snap version of chrome. How about letting me install the normal deb version? Nope, can’t let the user choose

          • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
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            5 months ago

            10 years security updates, plus security patches for community packages (instead of waiting on community patches). It’s basically the corporate support plan provided for free for up to 5 machines per account.

            • Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
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              5 months ago

              security patches for community packages (instead of waiting on community patches)

              I’m not sure I understand that part. Is Canonical implementing the patches instead of the open source project/package developers? I’m confused.

              • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
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                5 months ago

                Exactly. In Debian, the community implements security patches. In Ubuntu, Canonical implements security patches for a part of the repo (main), the community implements them for the remainder (universe). This has been the standard since Ubuntu’s inception. With Ubuntu Pro, Canonical implements security patches for the whole repo (main and universe).

    • Lettuce eat lettuce@lemmy.ml
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      5 months ago

      I’ve been rolling Debian more and more this year. If you’ve got solid Linux chops, it’s really great.

      I also really like LMDE, it’s what I run on my Business laptop.

  • Skyline969@lemmy.caEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Linux Mint. Cinnamon. With a Windows Vista theme. It confuses and/or irritates everyone who sees it.

  • atmur@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 months ago

    For as much as Linux nerds (myself absolutely included) complain about distros like Ubuntu and Manjaro, I’d still take either one over Windows or MacOS any day.

    • Farid@startrek.website
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      5 months ago

      Ubuntu has Snap and ads and stuff, but I thought Manjaro was considered good. What’s wrong with it? It’s supposed to be Arch based.

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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      5 months ago

      Mac OSX isn’t bad… so long as you sell it your soul, and don’t want freedom in return, it’s great 👍.

      I kid… mostly - it’s iOS that is horrifying, but Mac OSX is still Unix (tho not GNU), so not anywhere within leagues of Microdick.

      And - possibly dumb question - couldn’t you always just run a Linux VM at near-native speed, and get the benefits of both?

      • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip
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        5 months ago

        “always” in this case is when you have two or more gpus in your system, which limits the ability to “just” run a vm considerably.

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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          5 months ago

          Ah, for gaming, yes Macs are not fantastic gaming machines that’s for sure.

          Then again, Linux has long been known to have issues with gaming as well, especially with an Nvidia card…

          Unless you use Steam, and then both work, kinda?

          Still it seems like it’s Linux and Mac OSX on one side, and Microsoft left behind thousands of years in the past, except maybe for gaming where literally an old Windows running on a VM may run the widest selection of games?

          But I still don’t see the logic of grouping Macs together with Windows, even for gaming.

          For VMs, I expected more someone to bring up the switch to the M1 chipset, a huge setback for VMs definitely even if temporary, though I’m old enough to remember that Linux and Macs both running Intel were often easier to get things running on than Linux on Intel vs. Linux on AMD. But things definitely change over time, as to what is easiest at any given moment.

          Microsoft sucks tho - now THAT’S universal. Can’t we all just get together, united in our hate for it?! (/s, or, well, actually… not!) :-P

        • Farid@startrek.website
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          5 months ago

          Privacy and data collection-wise MacOS is fine. It’s their main selling point. Doesn’t even force updates on you. I know it’s a low bar, but damn Windows bar is at the floor at this point.

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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          5 months ago

          I had to look it up (e.g. https://www.extremetech.com/internet/317371-evaluating-apples-data-collection-in-macos-big-sur) and damn, I didn’t know that they collected and sent THAT detailed of info!? (and perhaps they didn’t, until Big Sur)

          Even so, as the other reply mentioned, it’s still leagues away from Windows at this point. But yeah, fair then that both Windows and Mac OSX are doing it, while Linux is not.

          Still, if you had to pick a machine for your grandma to use, or like either Windows or Mac at work (but not Linux, though lets say that there is a terminal SSH option to Linux available from either), I would pick Mac OSX. It’s fine if others would pick Linux for the former, but I don’t think Mac OSX is a bad choice there.

          While Windows… urg, is basically synonymous with being a cuss word nowadays. Witch: “a pox be upon thee - nay, moresooth, may you be cursed to only use Windows for the rest of your days!” (Onlookers: “gasp! what could anyone have done to be cursed with that bad of a punishment!? I would not wish that upon even my worst enemy!?”) hehe:-P

            • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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              5 months ago

              That Apple blocks you from running every program you put onto it until/unless it can be properly certified, and that “Big Sur can bypass any firewall restrictions the end-user attempts to create”? It’s true that it’s not nearly as bad as it may sound at first, and they even released a statement that:

              We do not use data from these checks to learn what individual users are launching or running on their devices.

              Notarization checks if the app contains known malware using an encrypted connection that is resilient to server failures.

              These security checks have never included the user’s Apple ID or the identity of their device. To further protect privacy, we have stopped logging IP addresses associated with Developer ID certificate checks, and we will ensure that any collected IP addresses are removed from logs.

              Though I also understand that if someone wants the ultimate in privacy, it’s difficult to trust such a corporate promise, especially one like Apple known to hide or lie about such things. (Edit: also… “developer ID certificate checks”, so if you don’t register with Apple as a known developer then…?)

              I still use Mac OSX myself, but if someone wants to avoid that and use Linux for this reason, I’m not going to argue with them - whereas I would push back a little bit if a friend were to tell me they planned to put Windows (as the primary OS) onto a machine.

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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          5 months ago

          Other than all that, yeah:-)

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          Still not comparable to Windows though, imho.

          Its sins are just of a different sort - e.g. you don’t need to repair or upgrade those machines so often, bc they work so well for so long as it is, plus other than for gaming, who even upgrades machines these days to begin with?

          For non-gaming, Macs are great machines. So too are Linux. While Windows sux ass no matter what. Thus that’s the dividing line, imho.

            • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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              5 months ago

              I mean… a Mac machine will run non-Mac OSX software. Pretty much everything can run linux, with a little effort put into it:-) (unless somehow these M chips have prevented that? even if so, surely it’s only a matter of time before someone cracks that barrier)

              But yeah, it’s definitely a choice. e.g., Apple does not even sell cheap Macs, whereas machines intended to run Windows can be bought all up and down the scale - though I recall at various points in time, comparing equivalently-equipped machines, Apple ones were pound-for-pound actually cheaper than their Windows equivalents. This is ofc b/c of the monopolistic practices: when you rigidly control the hardware, you are able to order in bulk, and when you order in bulk, you are able to get large discounts from the supplier!

              Though surely nobody was arguing to purchase a Mac, not knowing who or what Apple is or is about? Installing Arch Linux is also known to be somewhat ah… “tricky”, so if we are comparing things like ease-of-use, the question gets back to OP’s “which distro?” And it’s all a matter of choice - what you want to get out of it, and which constraints you want to live underneath.

              But anyway, we were talking about “Mac OSX”, which yeah, very much is limited to specific sets of hardware, and cannot be installed willy-nilly on any old machine, this is very much a true statement, to be paid very much attention to by anyone wanting to learn more, or use that in their purchasing / installation decisions:-). I was just saying that while Apple (& iOS) may be evil these days, Mac OSX itself kinda is great, caveat: if you can live with its restrictions, and moreover, those are MUCH less than Microsoft’s set of restrictions these days (whereas Linux has its own set of difficulties).

                • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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                  5 months ago

                  I was only illustrating how Mac hardware is not identically the same as Mac software. They are tied together, yet distinct entities.

                  Your lack of recollection neither proves nor disproves anything at all. If you doubt me, look it up? (since surely if I did so for you, you would distrust that as well? 🤪)

                  I did not downvote you btw.

      • tatterdemalion@programming.dev
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        5 months ago

        couldn’t you always just run a Linux VM at near-native speed, and get the benefits of both?

        The obvious downside is that Linux is no longer the host OS. MacOS or Windows would be closed source code managing your hardware. And any VM could only be as fast as the host OS allows it to be.

      • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
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        5 months ago

        The company that laid me off let me keep my Mac which was a nice parting gift. I don’t think I’d ever buy one myself. They’re just way to expensive.

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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          5 months ago

          I hoped for that at my previous job, and they said it could happen… but it was never going to, and it was a false hope offered. Why do that to me man…? 😭

          Then I come to my current job, and they have a super old Mac laptop that was barely holding on that nobody else wanted, and I’m like “yes please”!

          Bc if its Windows vs. Mac, and especially if “nothing” isn’t even an option, then a million times out of a million I will choose super old, barely holding on Mac that nobody else wants.:-)

          It’s a single SSH command away from my work Linux, and it has MacVim, tons of other open source software available, plus a bunch of stuff that only Mac OSX has, like Preview and other fairly nice tools, which have open source equivalents like ImageMagick and gimp, but aren’t nearly as easy to use.

          I don’t need a nice car, and I went without one entirely until I moved to the Midwest where it becomes absolutely necessary, but it’s essential to have a good computer for me:-).

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 months ago

        It’s too “easy” for all the kiddos who tie their self-worth to their ability to follow installation instructions.

      • atmur@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 months ago

        This website has a decent summary: https://manjarno.pages.dev/

        TL:DR: Repeated dumb mistakes that a (relatively) big distro like Manjaro should not be making. Haven’t heard any drama in the past year or so though, so maybe they’ve finally gotten their act together. Time will tell.

    • bastion@feddit.nl
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      5 months ago

      Yeah, there’s stuff to like, but… but…

      I just disable most of the Pop stuff and use vanilla gnome.

    • shameless@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      I’ve been using Pop for years, I just feel like its always worked so well for me and never given me any major gripes. Web browsing, playing a few basic games, editing documents and even recently setting up another home server with it for media streaming with Jellyfin.

      I’m a big advocate for any OS which works well out the box and is mostly hands off once configured!

      If PopOS isn’t your thing you’ll find it eventually 🙂

    • Abnorc@lemm.ee
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      5 months ago

      PopOS has been working well for me so far. After a couple of weeks of messing with it to fix some issues, it works seamlessly for the most part. Every so often I find something new though. On Windows I could easily plug in a second pair of headphones and switch between them as outputs. On PopOS it doesn’t work this way. I looked up a fix, but I saw that it will require changing more settings and probably installing some more packages, so I decided not to bother for now, lol.

      I will say that I’m not a fan of the weird pop shop. It feels janky to use, and sometimes the gnome software center gives me notifications to install updates when the pop shop also can install those updates. It feels like there should just be one place for updates and new apps by default.

    • Lettuce eat lettuce@lemmy.ml
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      5 months ago

      I love Mint, it has become my workhorse distro. I use LMDE on my personal business laptop. I switched my parents from Windows 10 to Mint earlier this year, and it’s been great on their very old and low power desktop.

      Cinnamon is not the prettiest or slickest DE, but damn if it ain’t the most stable DE I’ve used.

      I’m a KDE fanboi myself, but when I spin up a machine that I need to just work in a super dependable way and is no muss, no fuss, I usually choose Mint with Cinnamon.

    • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 months ago

      There is nothing wrong with Mint EZ mode. I got a computer illiterate buddy with a 8 year old shittop running it like its new.