• InverseParallax@lemmy.world
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      They have fox news, which tells all their fans that this is only meant to stop the 52 million illegals who crossed the border last year from stealing the election like in 2020.

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    They threaten/shit down the government every other issue… Like a toddler having a tantrum.

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      a toddler throws a tantrum when it thinks it can get something it wants from the adult and democrats have a history of giving these toddlers what they wanted when they tantrum-ed hard enough; their current party leader literally used to brag about doing so in his 2020 campaign.

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      I don’t think they are conservatives, although they call themselves that. Democrats are conservatives.

      Classic conservatives conserve: this is a mob who could not individually list one thing they want to keep from changing. They want as much change that makes them the most money

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        Preservation of an existing thing and conservative political ideology aren’t actually linked. No matter how much conservatives try to tell you they are. Classic Conservatism was just how 17th and 18th century political philosophers referred to monarchies and top down systems that impose order on the masses. This was in opposition to Classical Liberalism which was a bottom up imposition of order. I.e. by the people, for the people.

        In many ways the South came out of the revolution still subscribed to classical conservatism. They favored a heavy class system, different rules for the elite and workers, and were loathe to expand voting beyond the elite. Even after the civil war they made the antebellum period their golden age. It wasn’t until the post world war 2 era offered Neo-Liberalism that they really gave up trying to go back to the antebellum period. There were even slave-like conditions called peonage right up to the mid 1940s.

        One of the biggest differences in classical conservatism and liberalism was what they called, the state of nature. Liberals saw all men as inherently good, but taught to be evil by oppression and stressful environmental factors. Conservatives saw all men as inherently evil and in need of strong control. Their theories followed pretty well from those base assumptions. Although there was also a healthy dose of Divine Rule in conservatism.

        I’m mentioning this because I hope everyone reading this can realize the Republicans of the cold war, as racist and hateful as they were, were still inside classical liberalism. They still believed in democracy, rule by the people, for the people. Since the end of Bush’s presidency though they’ve increasingly decided classical conservatism is more attractive.

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          I’m mentioning this because I hope everyone reading this can realize the Republicans of the cold war, as racist and hateful as they were, were still inside classical liberalism. They still believed in democracy, rule by the people, for the people.

          Considering the war on drugs I question that. The war on drugs was just the new Jim Crow

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            Yup. But that was about minorities and leftists. As far as the general disposition of the working class, the Republicans were actually working for their votes. Nixon gave us OSHA as well as the war on drugs.

            Another factor I didn’t mention above is that the Republican party fundamentally changes in the 1960’s because of the Dixie Flip. That’s when they really became the party of the South. Before that the parties were far more mixed around geographically. Which is why I go from talking about the South and conservatives to talking about the Republicans.

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        republicans are trying to conserve billionaires money, democrats are trying to conserve the larger federal system. Nobody is trying to fix the system atm.

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    Democrats should just threaten to shut down the government unless republicans suck Donald Stumps dick in response. Super easy, next question

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    let the gov shutdown, lets see those stock prices tumble. You’d never get a better chance to let republicans shoot their own donors in the dick. Lets see spacex stop getting checks

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      Dems should threaten them with a good time. Say, sure, to vote you have to prove you’re a citizen… by showing your passport. More than half of these clowns haven’t ever left their trailer park towns.

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      I’m not convinced it’s a bluff. As an outsider looking in, I’m going to tell you how I see this sort of situation.

      The Republicans have embraced the Trump way of just accepting you’re the bad guy, knowing your diehards will vote for you anyway. Whereas the Democratic members and voters expect responsibility from their party leaders.

      So in a shutdown, the Republicans lose nothing, and the Democrats can lose everything.

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        And the Republicans will all run to their chosen propaganda outlets to cry about how it’s Democrats that are causing the shut down because they “refuse to secure our elections” and if course the typical person who doesn’t follow politics much will eat it up. :(

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      The problem with that is that Republicans are always saying that Government doesn’t work and the whole system is dysfunctional, so when they turn around and deliberately break it they’ll just tell their idiot constituents that they were obviously right the whole time.

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    If they put human skin on the ventriloquist dummy from goosebumps, let it age 50 years, had its human son monitor it’s web traffic for porn browsing… What would that dummy look like?

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    If you haven’t already, follow Jeff Jackson while he’s still in his position. He tells it how it is and gives inside info on why they make these futile plays

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    At some point Democrat presidents are going to have to either fix this or admit that they are basically incompetent. There are workarounds, there’s every reason to pursue them, and it’s really sad watching people who claim to be professionals act surprised when they’re confronted with this situation again.