Two women who say they were raped and strangled by the controversial social media influencer Andrew Tate have spoken to the BBC about their experiences.
Another woman has alleged, for the first time, she was raped by Mr Tate’s younger brother, Tristan - also an influencer with millions of followers.
The Tate brothers, aged 37 and 36, currently face charges in Romania of human trafficking and forming an organised group to sexually exploit women. Andrew Tate is also charged with rape.
If found guilty, the two men could be jailed for more than 10 years. They strongly deny the charges against them.
Not entirely surprising considering their openly misogynistic views.
Shame so many people use him as a role model, he’s very dangerous.
Very disgusting of Tate.
I have never heard anything about him that isn’t disgusting.
“controversial”
“Massive cunt”
“Shitcunt”
“Influencer”
I always wondered who would be influenced by such people, I’ve realized it would be controversial massive cunts.
I think the vast majority of his haters are from bitter.
Edit: fuck knows what I was trying to say here.
I think the vast majority of his haters
Well yeah. Because you know, he’s a rapist.
Teenaged boys, unfortunately.
Hmm I can see a pattern emerging here
“Criminal”
“micro phallus”
That doesn’t sound very consensual to me
It’s always the ones you most expect.
“Who could have predicted this”
The double standard is truly insane. Imagine if this rich, foreign, online influencer, Muslim who turns out to be a pedophile, rapist, sex trafficker, pimp on the levels of Jeffrey Epstein was a liberal influencer instead of a based, redpilled, alpha male influencer? I fucking hate conservative hypocrisy.
Calling him Jeffrey Epstein is like calling Putin, Hitler.
Yes, they’re all horrible people who’ve done evil shit, but the scale of their evil is worlds apart.
Epstein ran an international cabal of underage sex trafficking ring servicing the global elites, for money, political influence, and blackmail purposes.
This dipshit locked girls in his apartment, sold alpha male grindset webinars, and had a wizard in his crew.
But, if we’re being honest, Tate is probably a few IQ points higher than Epstein, who was a bonafide moron. I’m not saying Tate’s bright, I’m saying Epstein was really dumb.
Still, the leagues they played in were stratospheres apart.
What makes you think Epstein was stupid? I’m asking genuinly. I always thought it was a clever scheme to get all the leverage on influential people, but I don’t know that much about him.
Go scratch the surface of his resume.
He was a cutout used by more powerful people, and placed into roles he wasn’t remotely qualified for.
Basically, his hedge fund was a front. Rich people would park their money there, and in return, get access to the underage girls he provided.
Which gave him more access, and more influence, to other elites e.g. politicians and aristocrats, which was used by his handlers in the intelligence communities to unclear ends.
There’s a reason why that tapes the FBI discovered at his properties have gone “missing”, at least from public view.
As for why I said he’s a moron, start here:
Oh, and just for the lulz.
"Donald Barr’s son, US Attorney General William Barr is currently investigating the death of Jeffrey Epstein.
In 1973, Donald Barr, hired a young 20 year old college dropout named Jeffrey E. Epstein to teach math at the Dalton School. Epstein taught at the school between 1974 and 1976.
Donald Barr also wrote this sci-fi novel, Space Relations, about sex slavery in space."
Other accounts dispute that Donald Barr actually met Epstein, but not that he was the headmaster at the school that hired Epstein, nor that he wrote that book.
I’m not sure if this is another piece of damning evidence of him being placed in positions because of his proclivities, or just a darkly hilarious wtf fact.
The cryogenic freezing is superstupid indeed if meant seriously and not just as a kind of kink. The rest of it is just immoral and/or perverted but kind of clever?
Lol wtf
This guy becoming Muslim was just a publicity stunt
Muslims are mostly conservative, not liberal.
Especially the extreme religious ones.
On every photo he always looks like a head from a blender tutorial.
Like drawing a picture of Pitbull from memory.
Dude. That’s harsher than I thought it would be.
It’s pretty pathetic that an “alpha male” cannot pull a girl.
It’s because they’re alpha version. They haven’t gone through beta testing, been selected as a release candidate, sent to QA and finally released. They’re only alpha.
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Prod males represent!
He hasn’t even got as far as a pull request to the main branch.
Why haven’t these two anal cysts been tried yet? JUST GET ON WITH IT AND THROW THEM IN PRISON. I know that it takes time to put together a solid case, but damn.
people forget it took 10+ years to put epstein in jail
He was arrested, tried, convicted, and then released by one of Trump’s USAs only to get arrested and tried again decade later. Incidentally, Bill Gates got on a plane with Epstein in 2014, five years after his original conviction. I’m convinced the only reason Epstein eventually got put to a permanent end is that he ran out of money.
There really is no end to the amount of bullshit rich people can get away with.
And look at all of his clients now in jail.
Are any of his clients now in jail?
As long as they don’t get elected president, one will be soon
People like me lol. Oh well.
they’re rich lmao
Yeah not really either. Remember that these are lying assholes and a lot of the riches he was showing off was rented just to make people think they were uber rich
they’re rich AND a lot of people who should be arresting and prosecuting him have likely committed sex crimes themselves.
And they got mad when he pointed it out but Romania is actually pretty corrupt, that’s the whole reason they were there.
Please provide evidence for your accusations otherwise shut the hell up.
He is a disgusting individual who frankly deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison and you are excusing his crimes on baseless accusations. What is wrong with you?
nobody is excusing him - I’m pointing out there are lots of reports of police assaulting women. Its frequent enough most major US papers have an article on costs cities pay associated with settling these allegations.
He’s literally in prison assault and kidnapping already.
I know little about Romanian law, but due process generally means cases like this move very slowly.
I hate that I even know who this disgusting asshole is.
I know little of him. Only what I pick up occasionally. Some alpha male dude bro. I’m content with my level of familiarity.
I hate that so many teenage boys are fans of him.
Yeah, that pert is theuch bigger problem, kids actually look up to him.
My step children’s real father is a big fan of Tate and keeps telling them how awesome he is and how they should follow nhik in his footsteps.
Thankfully, the kids think he’s a loser who abuses women.
There are so few good male role models for teenage boys. I would have said John Cena at one point, but he’s decided to shill for the CCP, so not him either. I honestly don’t know who teenage boys can turn to at this point.
There are good male role models. It’s just that they are much, much harder to make money off.
Which bloody sucks.
but if you pick a random guy, he’s probably a better role model than tate.
You don’t only have to look to living people:
Living People:
- Mark Rober
- Terry Crews
- Niall Breslin
- You and me, be the good role model you want to see.
Idk Mark Rober has got that scam school thing going on now.
It is getting a little obnoxious. But still mostly on the good side.
What, Marcus Aurelius and Zeno (not the one who can’t shoot arrows btw) but no Diogenes?
To be fair, Diogenes was a cunt of the highest order. Love his work; but not a good role model.
He was not the cunt they deserved, but the cunt they needed.
But yes don’t embrace statutes.
Emperor Norton, mayhaps?
I can think of several, but it’s so cringe to say any of them. There’s a disdain for do-gooders in all societies, but especially American society. Which means that it’s just not cool to admire someone who is simply a good person.
Coooooody, Cody Rhodes!
Jason Momoa, Henry Cavill, Hugh Jackman, Dave Bautista, Ryan Reynolds, Guy Fieri to name a few
How many of those are talking about how to, bluntly put, score gals and become a man you yourself respect. “Is famous, male, and not an asshole” doesn’t really suffice as credentials, here.
It’s almost like having the life objective to “score gals” isn’t a very healthy or good goal to begin with. It’s fine to be promiscuous and have lots of partners, but I don’t believe the mannosphere is the way to get there.
Where, from “bluntly put, score gals” (note the “bluntly”) did you get to “life goal” and “promiscuous”? Unless you’re ace once puberty hits you’re out there trying to get laid. Either sex, everything in between and laterally. Are you trying to shame people for their biological impulses, are you from a cripplingly puritan culture or something.
Hank and John Green are pretty good role models, I’d say.
Why so many actors?
Actors are generally the most well known celebrities
But we generally only see the characters they play.
5 years ago Will Smith may have been on that list.
Maybe young men should build a role-model construct of good qualities they see rather than idolize a single patriarchal figure and seek to emulate them, including their flaws.
Speaking as someone who was fortunate to have a decent dad, and a decent step dad, who were radically different.
Ah right, it’s on the children to build their own role models
That isn’t a fair expectation
such wisdom in these words. i’ve long speculated that our lived experience growing up in a capitalist system (at least the one we’re in) severely warps our concept of admiration in peripheral but profound ways. we don’t have heros, we have brands. tate is a brand, musk is a brand, theil is a brand, as is cena and rogan and so many other influencers. because being a brand makes the vibe/essence/aesthetic being projected feel both real and posessable. it has effectively replaced our social framework for developing an identity with algorithmically profitable assimilation. values? an eye for opportunity is all you really need to be successful.
the reality is we are all beautifully flawed, with gifts and deficits that all deserve to be acknowledged in equal measure.
No one is safe from the gods we create, they all turn on us.
And why should a random snot-nosed kiddo do that while not having a role model to advise it. Sure, boys have no issue looking for role models when none are in their immediate surroundings – but then you also run the risk of them seeing “oh, people with money are respected” (after all, capitalism and everything) and “Oh, Tate has money and is confident and is talking to me”. The rest is tragedy.
…kinda generational, btw: Reportedly Tate got the way he got by seeing some guy in a Lambo or something (literally or figuratively) spitting on a mechanic or something and saying to himself that he’s going to be the guy with the Lambo.
This is the pick yourself up by your bootstraps version of raising a child. You can’t seriously expect a 12 year old to have enough wisdom and initiative to do this? Why do we have this unrealistic expectation that men are super capable and just choose to be failures? It’s the same system that fails everybody else, that’s also failing them
You got a solution, or anything new to add to the conversation? Or are you just going to whine like everyone else?
Cause frankly, I don’t have a fix for this. At least not one that is overly authoritarian, like controlling every piece of media that is available to children, and creating a guide for what characteristics of different role models should be emulated, and what should be avoided.
Maybe at a certain point, it is up to the individual to form their own set of desirable positive characteristics and seek to incorporate those traits into themselves. We can’t (or really shouldn’t) just thought and content police everything for every child. They have growth and developement that the must do for themselves, no one else can do it for them.
Are you also against diverse representation in media? That’s been pushed for years, and to an extent we’ve succeeded. There’s no reason we can’t do the same for male role models
Plenty of kids do not have decent male role models in their life though. That’s part of the problem. So they turn to the internet and find people like Tate.
I really have no idea how we fix that on the internet. I guess volunteer for big brothers/big sisters if you can.
The power of anonymity.
high T alpha man
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Is there any evidence or at this point are there only accusations?
This is a fair question… If it was just one or two accusations. But that is not the case here Tate is a monster and his last moments should be pure suffering and fear. Fuck him and fuck his life.
I agree with Fuck that dude, but like… A “high profile” dude can have accusations coming out of the woodwork. I absolutely hate this dude but it would be unjust to send someone to prison over only accusations. I understand that sexual assault is damn near impossible to prove. I don’t know what the correct course is but I can’t justify punishment that may be unjust.
The allegations surrounding tate are more extreme than epstein and he has many recorded instances of himself describing the methods. This is a case that in US court would probably be easier to prosecute.
Fair enough. I don’t know much about it and the comments that I did read revolved around hearsay. As much as I am not a fan of that dude, it’d be a crime in itself to lock someone away without evidence. If he’s incriminating himself by self admission, then that’s on him.
I get the desire to respond to current events but there’s nothing wrong with being a bit curious about why people don’t like the guy. Its weird to have so much grace for some random dude and none for the people criticizing him.
The media has sort of tossed him in with the “people who upset feminists” camp but like mostly its his “howto commit human trafficking” type videos that are generating criminal lawsuits.
if you read the article, the moron texted one of his victims talking about how he raped her. yes, there’s evidence.
Too many are accusing them already. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Yes lots.
Accusations from multiple sources that are credible enough for action to be taken.
Tater top drank from his own kool-aid and thought by moving to Eastern Europe, he could get away with this.
Would there be any evidence that could satisfy you, or are you just looking for a reason to dismiss this?
I hate how relevant this question is in so many situations.
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The difference is that if a few women accused me of rape they wouldn’t be believed because I don’t give off the impression that I’m a piece of shit that hates women.
When a shitload of women accuse Tate however, the response is correctly “yea that checks out”.
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This is not about his looks, but about the misogynistic content he creates. If you are accused of rape, and you openly talk about coercing women into sexual acts I’d say that it checks out.
Please for the love of God go watch his content and then come back and tell me that you think there is even the most microscopic chance that he is innocent of literally any crime ever.
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Andrew. Its late in Romania. Get some rest.
“he looks like a criminal”
Watch any content of him opening his mouth, it just reeks of misogyny. So yeah since he’s reported, it checks out.
Hates - no. But giving off the impression of being weird is not that hard. I’m certain quite a few people would believe something like this about me purely due to being a sunlight-avoiding wimp bad with words (in verbal conversations).
So due process is a good thing. For each Andrew Tate there are a few dozens at least of people whom “the society” would eagerly accuse simply because of being asocial and weird. Like that folk psychology with red flags, manipulations and other shit. People practicing it can wound an autist. But I seriously doubt those would help them avoid a serial maniac.
accusations against “high profile” people shouldn’t just be taken as proof
Yeah. I find it highly suspicious that a guy who got famous for being the loudest misogynist on YouTube would be accused of practicing what he preaches. This would be like if someone accused Mike Tyson of hitting him. Or Tucker Carlson of lying. Or Ben Affleck cheating on his wife. Or OJ Simpson of committing a murder.
You have to take this shit with a huge boulder of salt, because… come on. What are the odds?
I hope the truth comes to light
Hearts out to all those possibly wrongfully accused rapists and sex traffickers. Andrew Tate, Harvey Weinstein, Neil Gaiman, Ron Jeremy. Really hope we can clear aside the dozens and dozens of testimonials from people accusing them of wrongdoing and find a piece of evidence I won’t casually dismiss.
The worst part is they are usually cleared on some sort of bullshit technicality: “Oh, you didn’t dot your I’s in your rape report, so your statement isn’t valid”.
That has never in the entire history of the human race being an individual who looks more guilty than he does. He gives off rapist energy, out of every pour, how can you possibly be defending him?
When he was born the midwives probably said oh here’s a bad one.
That has never in the entire history of the human race being an individual who looks more guilty than he does. He gives off rapist energy
Completely agree. Too bad that’s not proof of anything, we’re supposed to learn that in grade school
how can you possibly be defending him?
They didn’t, they simply reminded everyone that accusations are not in and of themselves proof even if we dislike the person immensely
Yeah but there is proof literally everything he has ever done proves that this is 100% in his personality to do also he’s done it in the past so it’s not just that I don’t like him he has form.
Can you document for me one case where such accusations against a high profile individual were shown in the fullness of time to be hired fraud?
There probably is some case like that out there - I’m not saying it’s impossible. But given the past we come from, where women were objects without status, I find it very believable that sexual assault is quite common. I need some reason to take your counterpoint as seriously.
So please, show me that one clear case where we found out that the woman had been paid by political enemies to create false accusations.
You can use circumstantial evidence to know this guy is guilty. The classes he sold about pimping. Him fleeing to Romania because as he said it’s harder to get convicted of sex trafficking. The previous reports on him by other women.
