• niktemadur@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    The astroturfing is obscene on several levels of ignorance and artificiality, fake as the sincerity on a Nestlé ad, only more ignorant. “We don’t and won’t listen to a single Latino among us”.

    And still, I hear of Latinos gravitating towards this shit. It’s like they’ve normalized living under bigoted oppression in places like Texas or Arizona, and/or fall for the “family values” catholic bias.

    Or they come at it from some other batshit insane angle, referring to the orange plague of 2016-20 - “Funcionó! It worked!” and refusing to elaborate further, as if the case was obvious in some way that’s utterly incomprehensible to me.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      Plenty of people originary from South America have “old fashioned” values and principles (family, religion, homophobia, racism, expectations of a certain kind of “strong” “leader”) which map into ideologies well into the Conservative Right in countries which already went through a moral liberalization stage, and in some cases they even hold pretty much Fascist “values” which would map very well into what Trump sells nowadays.

      I live in Portugal, which nowadays manages to be more morally liberal that the US, at least amongst the younger generations (mostly because the US went backwards), were the greatest immigrant group are Brasilians (same language) and in the last two elections in Brasil the ones who voted from Portugal were far more pro-Bolsonaro than the ones living in Brasil, which puts them to the Right of the Portuguese Far-Right (which doesn’t actually sell a return to a Fascist Dictatorship like Bolsonaro does, are pretty much mute on the subject of Religion and are comparativelly mild when it comes to Nationalism)

      Similary when I lived in Britain during the Leave Referendum and worked in a Tech Startup in London, the only guy there who voted Brexit was a dual national British-Indian who, judging by things his kid let slip before daddy shut him up, was an Indian Nationalist (who had even attended a Military College as a kid in India).

      Further, if I look at the immigrants that my own country sent abroad during its previous time of heavy emmigration (back in the 60s/70s) those are people who mainly had pretty backwards (“traditional”) values compared to those of the countries they moved to, and who since then if they did not deeply integrate in their host country (which, as far as I can tell, having been an immigrant myself, is quite common amongst people who immigrated due to economic need rather than a yearning for broader horizons) have kept more or less calcified certain values that even in their country of origin people moved away from over time - in other words, not only do people come in from other countries with values which are “old fashioned” in more modern countries, but it’s not at all uncommon for people who have been immigrated for decades still thinking in many ways like people in their country of origin did all those decades ago even though in the meanwhile their country of origin society has evolved away from that kind of thinking.

  • deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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    21 days ago

    Ok I’ll write “Hispanics and Latinos vote for Trump” and so they think it’s from one of them, translate-> Latina and done!

  • huzzahunimpressively@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    I’m not American, but I’m really surprised that some Americans don’t know anything about Spanish. I mean, there are a lot of places in the U.S. with Spanish names, and it’s easy to encounter Hispanic/Mexican culture if you live in places like L.A.

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      20 days ago

      in terms of land-area, the us is closer to Europe than any single European country.

      Imagine, for example, being surprised that Catalonians are unfamiliar with Sami, or Swedes being unfamiliar with Maltese.

      Population wise, too. Minnesota is different than California, or even our neighbors (north and South Dakota, Wisconsin and Iowa, Canada to the north,).

      Hell. The Twin Cities (Minneapolis and St Paul) are very different and we can lob insults across the river.

      • vithigar@lemmy.ca
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        20 days ago

        …so the fact that the US is large somehow explains how that sign got through its entire chain of production and deployment without anyone realising that Latino people don’t speak Latin?

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          20 days ago

          No. it explains this:

          I’m not American, but I’m really surprised that some Americans don’t know anything about Spanish.

          having a lot of Latinos in one place doesn’t mean there’s a lot elsewhere, or that the people who made the sign are even anywhere close to familiar with any sort of Latino culture… for example, in Minnesota, there’s a large number of Puerto Ricans in St Paul. if you drove forty minutes out west, you’re not going to see that. Same goes with the Somali influence in Cedar Riverside, or the Hmong neighborhoods.

          as for the sign… the people who actually made the sign don’t give a flying rat’s ass what’s on it. A client sends them a picture or something, they print it, and send it out. If anyone even actually looked at it. It could have been an entirely automated service like vistaprint or whoever.

          its like the bakers that put “just say ‘Happy Birthday’ in rainbow icing letters” on the cake. they’re not paid enough to care what they’re actually printing.

          Which means the only people who probably who really needed to fail to understand the distinction is… the people that ordered it. And when you’re talking about somebody who probably hung that up on their fence… there’s not a “chain” of people involved.

          • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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            20 days ago

            as for the sign… the people who actually made the sign don’t give a flying rat’s ass what’s on it.

            Pre-press is part of my job. I care about the quality of the art and whether or not the text prints correctly. I send a proof to the client after I’ve checked those thing, and they verify that the text, etc. is correct, that we have the correct size, material, and so on. If someone sends me artwork that’s going to end up printing at 26dpi, then I’m going to let them know that it’s going to look bad. If they send raster text that they’ve blown up 5x and is all bitmappy, I’m gonna let them know that they need to fix that.

            If the text is in Latin rather than Spanish? Not my concern.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          20 days ago

          Yup. Europe is only slightly larger. And that’s europe, not the EU. Europe on the whole is significantly denser in population, though.

          If you want to compare direct numbers, the EU has ~450 million to the Us’s ~350 million and 3.9 million (or cia’s fact book, 4.2) km^2 compared to 9.8 million km^2.

          The other countries that are similar are India, china and Russia.

    • LiveFreeDie8@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      I live over 5,000 kilometers from LA and have never been anywhere near it. As an American I am closer to actual Spain across the ocean.

    • Ledivin@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      The US is massive and not nearly as well-mixed as people believe. If you don’t happen to live in a spanish-heavy area, it’s like a Russian that doesn’t know Spanish - obviously some do, but I’m not at all surprised by those who don’t.

    • LoudWaterHombre@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      20 days ago

      Well, there are people with different roots from all over the world. The fewest of us are actually native american, so I think everyone has their culture and embraces that on his own wish. Then we all come together in the middle to creature American culture.

      I know it’s not the way it works and this sounds like racism doesn’t exist in the US or something which is of course utter bullshit. This is the way I think how it should be done and how I practice it myself. I actually know a bit of Spanish and dipped my toe already in Mexican culture, but I’m not going to study and embrace it because it’s not my particular culture, just as I am not expecting an Hispanic person to study and embrace my culture. In the end I don’t think about culture a lot. I like cool and interesring people, cool and interesting music and of course good food. In total I just want to have a good time and I am happy to encounter parts of anyone’s culture in a natural way were I can explore things more like an adventure and less like a chore

  • dactylotheca@suppo.fiEnglish
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    20 days ago

    I bet this was some sort of gen AI mishap: “translate this campaign text to Latin”, because of course Latinos speak Latin, and it’s called Latin America too!

    Although this would be twice as hilarious if they hired a translator who just went “🤷 ah well, money is money”