• DefederateLemmyMl@feddit.nl
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    I don’t think there’s a need for File.txt and fILE.txt

    It’s not so much about that need. It’s about it being programmatically correct. f and F are not the same ASCII or UTF-8 character, so why would a file system treat them the same?

    Having a direct char type to filename mapping, without unnecessary hocus pocus in between, is the simple and elegant solution.

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      so why would a file system treat them the same?

      Because it’s designed for average people, not bots. Imagine the headache of telling people to add a line in file.txt, but they misunderstood and add it to File.txt

      Furthermore, I personally cannot think of any use case for having files with the same names reside in the same directory. It would just create confusion even among tech savvy users and programmers

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        Because it’s designed for average people

        It is not. It is designed for all purposes, automated processes and people alike. A filesystem is not just for grandma’s Word documents.

        And even people’s names are case sensitive. My name has the format Aaa Bbb ccc Ddd. It is not the same as the person with the name Aaa Bbb Ccc Ddd, who also exists. So why shouldn’t file names be?

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          for all purposes

          Different words that say the same thing…

          Anyway, even for those automated processes, there’s no good reason to use files with the same names in the same directory, it’s bad practice and adds unnecessary confusion in the design of the code.

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            give me one use case where it makes sense having several files with the same name but different cases in the same directory

            Imagine a table in a database where the primary key is a case sensitive character field, because you know varchars, just like C char types and string types in other languages are case sensitive.

            Imagine a database administrator does the following:

            • Export all data with primary key = ‘Abcde’ to ‘Abcde.csv’

            Imagine a second database adminstrator around the same time does the following:

            • Export all data with primary key = ‘abcde’ to ‘abcde.csv’

            Now imagine this is the GDPR data of two different users.

            If you have a case insensitive file system, you’ve just overwritten something you shouldn’t have and possibly even leaked confidential data.

            If you have a case sensitive file system you don’t have to account for this scenario. If the PK is unique, the filename will be unique, end of story.

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                The point is you have to take this into account, so the decision to go with a case insensitive file system has ripple effects much further down your system. You have to design around it at every step in code where a string variable results in a file being written to or read from.

                It’s much more elegant if you can simply assume that a particular string will 1-on-1 match with a unique filename.

                Even Microsoft understands this btw, their Azure Blob Storage system is case sensitive. The only reason NTFS isn’t (by default) is because of legacy. It had to be compatible with all uppercase 8.3 filenames from DOS/FAT16.

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      That’s some suckless level cope. What’s correct is the way that creates the least friction for the end users. Who really cares about some programming purity aspect?

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      It turns out that the easiest thing to program isn’t always the best application design.

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        I would argue that elegance and being easy to program are virtues by themselves, because it makes code easy to understand and easy to maintain.

        A one-to-one string to filename mapping is straightforward and elegant. It’s easy to understand (“a filename is a unique string of characters”), it makes file name comparisons easy (a bit level compare suffices) and as long as you consistently use the case that you intend, it doesn’t behave unexpectedly. It really is the way of the least surprise.

        After all, case often does have meaning, so why shouldn’t it be treated as a meaningful part of a filename? For example: “French fries.jpg” could contain a picture of fries specifically made in France, whereas “french fries.jpg” could contain a picture of fries made anywhere. Or “November rain.mp3” could be the sound of rain falling in november, whereas “November Rain.mp3” is a Guns’n’Roses song. All silly examples of course, but they’re merely to demonstrate that capitalization does have meaning, and so we should be able to express that in filenames as well.