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    2 months ago

    Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

    Exclusively anecdotic evidence

    Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part

    No evidence whatsoever, not even anecdotic. Look at the economic evolution of Xinjiang over time

    Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

    Uyghur people were generally excluded from the single-child policy. By that logic, Han ethnics were genocided even more.

    Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

    Exclusively anecdotal evidence

    Please, be more serious with genocide accusations. This is a serious case of “Nayirah’s testimony” all over again. Basing serious accusations of genocide against an ethnicity on isolated anecdotal evidence, most of it from anonymous interviews, is simply not enough in my opinion, especially when the claim comes against a geopolitical enemy of the USA.

    All your sources are from 2021 or earlier, and there’s been absolutely no further evidence of anything you say. Reeducation camps (which the Chinese government recognised existed as part of a counter-terrorism initiative, and which existed for about 5 years) are closed, no more anecdotal evidence has popped up, and there’s no concerns anymore that there’s any genocide ongoing against Uyghur people.

    If you’re concerned about prison population of a particular ethnicity, I highly recommend you look at incarceration rates of black people in the USA, which instead of being anecdotic and lasting 5-years, are a systemic issue that has existed for as long as the country has, and has no signs of stopping. I hope you don’t make the claim that the US is genociding black people?

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        Did you not read my comment? Uyghur were previously exempted from single-child policy, “forced sterilisation claims” (stemming from anecdotal interviews as I said, as well as biased statistical analysis by Adrian Zenz, notoriously impartial co-founder of the “Victims of Communism Memorial Association”, in the first article presented as an “expert in Chinese affairs”), there were some changes about the legislation of single child policy and Uyghur in the late 2010s. In the very article you can see how prior to that, birthrates in Xinjiang were above those in the rest of China for the past decades.

        The second article talks about the (now closed for years) re-education camps that weren’t hidden by anybody, and were part of a counter-terrorism campaign, consequence of the hundreds of deaths to terrorism, which have finally ceased to happen.

        Both articles are from 2020, because the reeducation program and counter-terrorism policy have been successful and no such measures as reeducation camps are in use. You simply will NOT find evidence of any of your claims post-2021. Because, as I said, there is no ongoing genocide in Xinjiang. You can make a compelling complaint about police state regarding the reeducation camps, you can disagree with the single child policy being applied to Uyghurs, but claiming that any of that is genocide, is an actual insult to people suffering real genocide, like Palestinians in Gaza.