I would press charges. This just shows bullying works.
That’s easy to say, you don’t know what already happened aside from her attempt to stop this. She could have had awful threats, maybe even towards her kids.
She already fought and lost, and there was and is still no one openly supporting her. Read the article, not even the military ( her employer) does.
Isn’t it up to the local district attorney to press charges? Usually they won’t go ahead if the victim won’t cooperate, but that doesn’t mean they can’t.
IANAL, but I believe that is only a thing in Commonwealth states of Maryland, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and Virginia. In normal states, I don’t believe it is standard practice for the state to pick up the charge if the victim refused to prosecute.
Good thing Arlington is in Virginia then… Oh wait, fucking youngkin
Trump is a cunt and anybody who ever voted for him is a cunt.
I know it’s obvious and everybody already knows it but I saw his abortion of a face on my feed so now you have to hear it again.
Don’t disservice abortions by comparing them to Trump. Abortions save lives, Trump doesn’t.
He also lacks the depth and warmth to be a cunt.
Isn’t having knowledge of a felony enough for a public prosecutor to indict someone independent of the victim?
That’s how it works in Germany at least - if the authorities get information about a criminal offense, they are obliged to start a criminal investigation. A victim not pressing charges only matters in terms of a civil lawsuit.
There were two separate crimes here.
The crime of abusing the ANC for a political photo and the crime of physically assaulting someone who worked for the ANC.
The crime of abusing it for political purposes is currently being ignored and the person assaulted has chosen to not press charges for the assault.
Isn’t this Army jurisdiction? Is pressing charges even relevant?
Oh yeah actually good point. Probably still relevant since it involves a civilian though, it’s not like civilians can be tried through military court afaik
Although I wonder if he could claim he was acting as Trump’s agent. Trump, being a former guy who tried to overthrow the government and technically former Commander in Chief of the military, maybe could be court martialed, right? If this is considered an attack by him, like a coup, on our Armed Forces?
After review by any of these intermediate courts, the next level of appeal is the United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces (CAAF).[17][21] The Supreme Court of the United States has discretion under 28 U.S.C. § 1259 to review cases under the UCMJ on direct appeal where the CAAF has conducted a mandatory review (death penalty and certified cases), granted discretionary review of a petition, or otherwise granted relief.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Code_of_Military_Justice
Idk. I doubt they will do anything regardless. But interesting thought experiment for sure.
In the UK, you can’t decide whether to ‘press charges’ or not, the decision is the CPS’s.
But in practice, saying you aren’t interested in pursuing a conviction often ends it, because:
1 - the prosecution must be ‘in the public good’ which is undermined if the victim isn’t interested
2 - a lot of the time the testimony and cooperation of the victim is key to the prosecution case
3 - the system is horribly underfunded so if they can justify dropping it they will
CPS is? City Prosecutor … ??
as to 1) - that’s judged differently in Germany - in part to protect victims of domestic violence who will often “change their mind and not want to” press charges after filing an initial report.
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in that case, yes - but again, if it’s a criminal offense, the victim has an obligation to testify, even if they have no interest
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I have no idea how the funding of our judicial branch looks like atm
ah right - forgot UK still has one foot in the medieval ;) thanks for the clarification!
One foot? More like five feet ten inches!
I was thinking figuratively of the UK as a person, and of persons as bipeds…
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This is part of a statement put out by Chris LaCivita, a Trump campaign spokestroll:
For a despicable individual to physically prevent President Trump’s team from accompanying him to this solemn event is a disgrace and does not deserve to represent the hollowed grounds of Arlington National Cemetery. Whoever this individual is spreading these lies are dishonoring the men and women of our armed forces, and they are disrespecting everyone who paid the price for defending our country.
I don’t know what makes me angrier, his assault on the English language (it’s “hallowed,” you utter dipshit), or his pathetic attempt at DARVO.
Funny, I would say the ones dishonoring the men and women buried there were the ones who assaulted a woman so they could take campaign videos in a restricted section.
Hollowed made me laugh
Whoever this individual is spreading these lies are dishonoring
Yeah, every time I read this to try to understand the grammar, I get a little dumber.
Is it pathetic if it works on his intended audience?
Hollowed, like, they hollow out the place to put in the bodies, ya know?
Hollowed because he requires rigorous application of Getsuga Tenshou
Bank AI
Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender for anyone else who didn’t know.
All it takes for evil men to triumph…
Conservatives are violent and sadistic by nature. There are some who are openly willing to fight them, but most people would rather avoid such dangerous confrontations. I don’t blame her.
This enemy is best fought when they aren’t sure who is hitting them. Smile. Blend in. Look friendly. Do what’s needed when they least expect it and get away. Rinse, repeat. Attracting negative attention from these cockroaches is not worth the risk, no matter who you are. Guerilla tactics work well against loud, arrogant, unintelligent fascists.
Donald Trump just threatened Mark Zuckerberg with jail for life because he THINKS Facebook could be used against him.
Zuckerberg is in Trump’s fucking pocket already.
Trying to save yourself by not pressing charges won’t make Trump forget your face, your name, or the fact that you told him “No,” once in his life, which is enough for him to want to destroy your life entirely.
Everyone who said this person is protecting themselves and their family is missing the point that if Trump takes power in November he will absolutely go out of his way to ruin this person’s fucking life (and their families lives) even though they didn’t press charges.
Is that fucking worth it? To save your family for a short time just for fascits to never forget you told them no and ruin your fucking life anyway?
He is willing to attack people who are literally in his fucking pocket and threaten to jail them for life. He has worse in mind for this person. I guarantee it.
Spoken with the easy courage of someone whose family isn’t in the crosshairs
I agree with you that this should be a HUGE deal, but if the institutions who are the ones actually responsible for going after Trump are not going to act, why should this one guy be responsible to take a purely futile stand about it that might get him killed? I agree that he is not safe whatever he does, but amping up the conflict will make him less safe.
If you don’t think these asshats will dox and harass this person anyway without even pressing charges, I’ve got a bridge to fucking sell you.
They told Trump “no,” that’s enough of a crime in the eyes of these right wing freaks.
Further, no one is saying they need to do it alone. If asshats can organize to harass them, can’t we organize to protect them? This is literally what I mean by nobody will back each other up. Instead of organizing as a group to protect that person, we act like it’s their personal responsibility to fight it and then go “oh shucks” when they don’t. Jeeze, maybe it’s because we didn’t back them up.
Isn’t that why the Black Panthers fucking existed, because they knew they couldn’t trust the cops?
But I guess organizing and protecting people like that is too much to ask.
We could organize to get Trump some consequences for any number of the explicitly treasonous things he has done, without involving some third party in the potentially deadly consequences if they don’t want to become further involved than they are. Nothing was ever preventing that.
Nothing was ever preventing that.
Gotcha, so this is a tacit admission everyone in the USA is just a giant pussy out to save themselves, with no concern for the collective. Because we’ve been turning our tails and letting Trump get away with what-the-fuck-ever for literally over a decade now.
No wonder this country is falling to fascism.
Our communities were sold, literally, to capitalism and marketing. Free community spaces and events are encroached on every day. That’s why they want to defend libraries, for instance - too much free shit being given out. You can’t even organize at a library because you’re supposed to be quiet there. It’s just that capitalism seeks capital in everything including free services. So it takes little bites off everything until we don’t have benches or bathrooms or trash in parks anymore because we can instead force people to pay to use those services at the nearby gas station or whatever.
This country is falling to fascism because we literally do not have things like free spaghetti socials anymore. We have no community. If the cemetery worker had neighbors who cared about her and were part of her community, they’d look out for her and she’d be safe.
Go to your town hall and demand more free community events. This will fight fascism.
The silent fear of Trump and his cultists strikes again. It is one of things he does a lot where people know how deranged his base is and don’t want to hold him accountable.
I always thought it was the DA that brought charges. What do they mean by won’t press charges?
If a victim says “don’t do anything, I won’t cooperate with criminal prosecution” then the DA often chooses not to proceed.
Not at all. They can and do charge people.
100%
It’s often difficult to proceed with prosecution if the victim doesn’t want to move forward, but there’s no hard and fast rule. And, it is clearly above this guy’s pay grade to be single handedly tangling with a movement that might well kill him for the effort with no repercussions.
It is the army’s place to say “clearly this is a violation and we DGAF what the staffer in the ground thinks about it” in order to try to shield him from responsibility, and then do their 1,000% best to rake Trump and the people responsible over the fucking coals regardless. This is like institutionalism responsibility mechanics 101.
You should read the article. The Army already bent over for him.
Oh, I’m aware that the army for some fuckin reason decided to let it slide. I’m saying that THAT, you can get mad at (or at the federal prosecutors in VA who aren’t working on a grand jury right now). Not the totally powerless person who has no ability to do anything but invite retribution to herself and her family.
The DA doesn’t need their support, they have the video evidence of a federal crime.
Cool and normal.
So much for the bravery of the military
So it’s not illegal then, seeing as there are no consequences for doing it.
It’s illegal for Democrats.
We have to stand up to fascists even when they threaten us with violence otherwise the fascists win. There is no sign up sheet to stop fascism. There is no safe way to stand against fascists. There is no future worth living in under fascist rule. Fascists do not go away if the society that spawned them stays the same.
If threats to someone’s safety is where we decide our resistance to fascism ends that is where our freedoms end. We do not have to shame this woman, but we do have to disagree with her decision. If we allow her decision to be incorrectly labeled as a reasonable strategy for self-preservation then we will all be living in a christo-fascist dictatorship.
It’s liberty or death. That idea is one of the last remaining cornerstones of our democracy. If living is more valuable to use than freedom then we will be incapable of stopping the fascists.
Fascism proceeds one step at a time. One day you wake up and everything is different. Today is that day. The people saying to stand up to fascists got it right. The people calling them armchair warriors and telling people to choose life over liberty lost the plot. The fascists plan is to take power by any means necessary and then kill the people they hate indiscriminately. To stop them we must stand against them even if that means risking death.
Snowden and Assange did that and look how that worked out.
Trump and the MAGA movement are the fascists. Snowden and Assange didn’t stand against them. In fact, what happened to them is very likely to happen to lots of people if the fascists take power.
I think the point is, based on how well it went for those two, most people aren’t as inclined to act.
Ethics are all well and good, but it’s your loved ones that often pay the price In some way.
Sorry, but some guy threatened another driver with a pipe in front of 10 cars in front of my house, and I was the only one to step in and I’m the only reason the situation didn’t escalate. And the only reason I can think of why I did so, is that I don’t have much to lose in practice.
It’s scary to intervene and despite your pandering, I suspect you’ve never been in a situation where you have to choose to put your life in danger (I’ve also done mountaineering/glacier travel and got a pilot licence which really opens your eyes up).
It’s easy for you to disrespect her gracefully and talk crap when you’ve never been in a dangerous situation where you can choose to make a difference that might screw you permanently.
There are a million things that will run through your mind when you yourself are (ie, you will likely be advised by people that you could be in danger, etc). When the situation is outside of your control, you think differently.
And so, the brown shirts are making them think twice. What a sad day for America as domestic terrorism wins.
