Thank fuck I’m in the process of moving to Linux. I loathe the Settings app. Will be sad to not be able to say I know how to properly use Windows anymore, when I used to know it like the back of my hand. Not being able to give support to friends and family will feel really weird.
ROFL, you naive sweet child. Once you’re a computer expert, you’ll always be so. Friends/family will still harass you and think your lying if you try use an excuse.
Not being able to give support to friends and family will feel really weird.
I see it as being liberated. Besides, while it’ll suck to be unable to fix their problems, if it gets bad enough that they consider other operating systems, you’ll be right there to help them switch!
I’m in the process of getting a family member over to Linux (again. didn’t work that well last time), but still, I like to help friends and family with computers when I can and I’ve always taken pride in being the go-to guy who know how to fix the thing. Ah well.
Waiting for the day the headline reads “Microsoft officially confirms its killing Windows.”
It was October 20th 2014.
so who’s gonna build us a control panel widget. I can only code C
I’d be surprised if the windows control panel wasn’t written in C.
I’d be surprised if it is in C, it’s probably in C++. That’s been the language of Windows since pretty much forever.
It looks like it was written in plain html.
Well there’s already WinToys, which does a lot. It may be a new project for them to just add in a legacy Control Panel tab.
I am curious where I’ll find the touch screen configuration utility when they do.
Because you touch y… wait no. That doesn’t work here.
Let me channel my inner Microsoft and think of the most asinine…
OK, yeah, you’ll have to touch and hold the right hand side of the screen for three seconds, then the left and the right for a further three, let go of the right and keep touching the left for three more, let go and then the settings will pop up. I call it “Son of sticky keys.”
There will be no other way to get to those settings.
RIP. It’s been coming for a while, and Control Panel will likely be on hospice for a few more years, but it will be a sad day when control panel is gone.
Control Panel will likely be on hospice for a few more years
And I’ll keep visiting Control Panel in hospice. Bite me Microsoft.
WTF why did I misread your comment as “Chris Parnell”
Probably because we were just watching Archer bro
No, I’m watching Cars 3
yessssssssssssssssss
Gone in favor of a less useful interface. Fantastic!
It is Windows…
Gone in favor of
a less useful interfacePowershell commands. Fantastic!…and after a decade accuse Linux community for copying their great innovations.
Great, now I’ll have to
GoogleBing for a four-line command when before I could just dig through a few menus.Finally linux will have parity in useability with windows.
No, it’s already more usable. You’re not bound to a GUI or hidden, indiscoverable incantations.
I felt the /s was implied but clearly enough people actually believe that linux is only for people who master arcane command lines that it could be taken as a genuine belief.
There are PowerShell fanboys here. Anything is possible.
That’s a hot take for Lemmy.
Nah, PowerShell is just a shitty bash wannabe
Actually PowerShelll is basically a wrapper for .NET classes… and it doesn’t really emulate Bash in any functional way.
The little time I have spent on powershell, I found it to be very slow. The input is also very verbose. I’m sure someone will say it allows one to be specific but I can be equally specific in bash as well. It’s like the Java Enterprise of scripting language.
Ah, so it sucks even harder
Powershell has a completely different approach of working with commands than traditional Unix shells. You pretty much don’t know what you are talking about.
Look, if it’s not a file, I don’t want to have anything to do with it.
Powershell at first seems to be weird and clunky, but after you get used to its syntax you can quickly look up and use its commands without much guessing.
I mean, if there’s still gonna be command line commands for all the features then there’s no reason why a 3rd party couldn’t make a gui app for them and recreate the control panels app
Good point … unless MS manages to cripple that capability somehow.
they should call it, get this, control panel
For the investor’s sake, I think it should be called the HyperPanel
No. Don’t worry, they moved the controls to the edge browser! Isn’t that great 😃? 👍👍👍.
This will bring so many people to Linux and will force so many others to start their own OSes.
Unfortunately, most Windows users are not tech savy and will never move to Linux, regardless of how user-friendly Linux becomes. It would take large-scale retailers switching their computers to have Linux pre-installed instead of Windows before any meaningful transition happens.
Not tech savy person here who’s interested in switching to Linux but afraid of fucking it up and the one guy I knew in real life who used Linux and would’ve helped me out died during covid so I’m on my own.
My old computer won’t support windows 11 and I’m not in a position to upgrade my hardware. I’ve been poking around trying learn about linux but I’m more of a hands on learner so basically I’m going to have to learn as I go which is quite scary for someone who’s never even seen a computer running it.
If you aren’t ready to fully commit to installing it on a hard drive, you could probably make a live USB stick of Linux. There are installers built to run on windows that will install Linux onto a USB drive, which you can boot from after turning off your PC. That way, you don’t need to worry about wiping or resetting an old computer just to see if you like it.
Got an extra USB stick and an old laptop kicking around you’re okay with wiping? Ideally 4GB RAM but 2GB would be okay. Start with Linux Mint and follow their installation guide - verifying the ISO image in Windows is probably the toughest part.
Or make absolutely certain you’re on the official Mint website, torrent it and don’t bother checking, I’m not your mother. “Who the f**k checks those anyway?” (Mint hasn’t been hacked since, but it’s part of why they’re pushing verifying, they know that their users have been targeted before. Also if something goes wrong with the download the install will fail and you’ll waste more time than if you just checked.)
If you don’t have a spare computer, a live USB can let you try Linux without making changes to your computer, but it’s going to be slow - a proper install is going to be a much nicer experience. If you’re okay without persistence (ie you can’t change anything or install additional programs for the next time you boot into it), just follow the Linux Mint website’s installation guide and stop before the actual install step. For persistence, try this method instead, but you really don’t want to use it long term, USB sticks aren’t designed for this.
Once you’ve tried it live and you think you like the desktop environment, but if you’re not sure you’re ready to fully commit, if your computer has an extra slot for an SSD you could buy a second one and dual boot, that’s what I did. (Dual booting on the same drive is doable but more of a headache, and even on a different drive Windows doesn’t always play nicely.)
Thank you much for this! I really appreciate that you took the time write all of that out
I do have an old laptop I can use for learning on, don’t know why it didn’t occur to me to try linux on that first, but I’ll definitely do that, follow your instructions and see how it goes.
I genuinely want to switch, just didn’t have the confidence to actually try. Thank you again for the great advice! I gotta go dig out that old laptop.
I’ve finally made one tiny step into the Linux pool: Replacing my little old Plex server & NAS (mini PC, Windows 10) with… an even tinier Raspberry Pi 5.
It’s been nice to finally have an excuse to start learning Linux: commands, bash scripts, ssh, samba shares, etc. I’ve always admired lean, portable FOSS, so it’s way overdue.
I honestly wouldn’t mind the new interface if it at least has all the options and functionality from the control panel, but it doesn’t - there’s so much functionality you can only access via control panel
TL;DR - It’s being
replacedrenamed to “Settings”But not really. The Settings menu has never been as useful as Control Panel and there’s still a ton of functionality that can only be accessed from the Control Panel. This and many other moves by MS recently are why Windows 10 is the last version of Windows I’ll be using. With the work Valve has done to support SteamDeck I can finally go 100% Linux.
TLDR, the settings app does not fully incorporate all the minutia of the control panel and power users are naturally going to be upset about the change assuming they stick around that long.
Too many specialized companies still make Windows-only software, e.g. chip vendors.
100% true.
Why put up with their abuse?
Each one has different specialized components that aren’t at full parity with their competitors, but that doesn’t even matter since it’s the case with literally all of them.
In favor of what? I still have to use control panel because some things are seemingly unreachable by the “settings” menus.
Yeah. This sounds a lot like some PM type thinks they’re gonna get rid of control panel, and they just don’t know what all is actually in there.
And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.
I don’t think that the PM is wrong. They absolutely can get rid of the control panel. It’s the user who will suffer ✌
And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.
AMD FirePro and Catalyst users are going to probably stay on an older version of the OS, considering most of those users are going to be educational institutions, engineering workshops, makerspaces/hackerspaces etc.
Can’t think of any other vendor products that integrated quite as much into the legacy control panel area
I’m thinking of highly niche industrial and embedded products who are likely to be left behind.
A major traditional selling point for Windows has always been the backwards compatibility.
I wonder if there would be a way to “embed” those old panel applets into the new settings somehow.
I bet they at most remove control.exe or make it open the Settings app, but still allow launching old vendor .cpl items just like they already can be opened in Control Panel.
This is already implemented on a lot of the settings pages on 11.
Windows is king at being inconsistent 🔥
If only they had trained advanced users to use the CLI that would never change unlike the GUI
I wonder if you’re talking about the windows 10 or windows 11 version of the settings app?
Yes. I have win 10 and 11 devices. They both lack certain options and I’ve had to go around them, like using control panel. In this case only the win 11 device is at risk of getting much worse.
That’s M$ intention, to hide some settings from users and lose control of Windows.
Right, I forgot, MS doesn’t want you to have control what programs are doing or how your computer works. Corporate way or…linux.
I may be technologically challenged but Microsoft has been steadily selling me on linux ever since windows 10.
Linux is just straight up easier to use than an unfucked windows.
See, that may be the case. Or it might not be. It’s a risk vz reward right now. I am not good with computers and have had my PC, laptop, phone and smart watch, inexplicably break, get stuck on boot and had to have them repaired. I just know my mistakes are easier to screw up my computer and data on linux. So the worse MS gets, the more I am willing to risk it.
Didn’t they learn that taking away what people grew up with for more than two decades already will result in outraged customers? (Windows 8 - start menu removed and replaced by start screen)
Not if they improve it. But I doubt they will.
We improved it by making it always available! Just sign into your Windows365 account in Edge and…
I am pure linux for personal use and mac for work but:
Good. One of the biggest problems Windows has had for the past decade or so is having like three different versions of every menu and needing to figure out which one let you do what you want. Consolidate that shit
They already had that shit consolidated. It’s called “Control Panel” and has been around for forty years.
And for twenty or so years they have added features that aren’t in there. Hence the problem.
So unless you have a time machine, the answer is to consolidate.
Honest question as I only use Windows every once and a while. Can you get to that disk management thing from the Control Panel? The one that looks like gparted.
right click start, left click disk management
Yep, depending on the version it was under either administrative tools or system tools option in control panel. It’s now also in the menu when you right click the start button.
say it louder for the people in the back
it louder
Can someone explain to me the difference from Control Panel to Settings? It seems like more of a name change and of course, the UI will be different, but won’t it effectively be a hub to control your personal settings just like control panel?
Currently the Settings app in windows doesn’t have the same level of features as the control panel does. It’s definitely got most features that normal users will need, but if you’re a power user or a system admin, you’ll quickly find yourself having to swap over to control panel to configure anything past the very basics for quite a few different parts of windows. This change will be fine if Microsoft achieve feature parity between settings and control panel, so that there’s no lost functionality when they get rid of control panel.
I think most people are a bit upset at the idea of the control panel disappearing because they don’t trust that Microsoft will end up reaching that feature parity, leaving people with less options to control their own devices effectively.
I don’t think feature parity is the only problem here. Power users need information density and quick reactivity, two things that the new settings – with their huge buttons and useless animations – dearly lack.
So how many different locations am I going to have to click through to get the settings done now??
Well, one less, because the place where they all are won’t be there anymore.
Angry up vote.
Each setting you will have to type into the windows search that is progressively getting worse.
That’s okay because Windows will be gone entirely from my PC in a month.
I use to keep all my windows MGMT tools on a custom MMC screen. So organized.
they can fucking try
