(I’m trying to adjust my shopping habits for quality, long-lasting goods from reputable brands. This isn’t some hailcorporate thing)

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      I love Proton’s mission just like all Lemmy users but I wouldn’t say you can trust them in terms of quality. Apart from Proton Mail and Proton VPS, most of their other products unfortunately have a deep lack of features.

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          I’m mainly talking about Drive and Pass. I don’t really remember as it’s been a while since I’ve tested them, but the situation doesn’t seem to have changed. Here’s a good thread for Drive. I remember Pass having problems with auto-fill which made it unusable for me.

          I have Proton Unlimited but only use two of their services because of this, it’s pretty frustrating.

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    Brother printers. I have 78k pages printed on my 15 year old color laser printer from them, and it’s still going strong. They still sell OEM toner and even replacement parts for it, although the only part that ever needed to be replaced so far was the drum.

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      A brother laser printer was the best decision of my college career. I only wish I’d have bought it sooner

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        Yeah, I’ve read it before. And bayer gave aids to foreign countries, and nestle has done deplorable things, and the banana people have hired mercenaries to kill natives for banana control, and our US government let tons of black people die and spread syphilis because they just wanted to see how it went instead of giving them the cure, cable companies stole billions and never delivered on promised infrastructure…if it’s a big entity, they’re usually pieces of shit. I’m still getting my tape from 3M.

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          “so what if they poisoned, are poisoning, and will continue to poison everyone in the US and abroad. So what if they single-handedly lowered the life expectancy of the planet, whilst if not causing, exacerbating every cancer. They make good tape.”

          Not trying to come at you, it’s just this is where we are as a society, and it makes me sad.

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            The world also still let’s planes use lead gasoline. My point is you won’t be able to buy anything if you boycott every corpo that does something like this. It’d be great if you could, but you can’t.

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    I never had any problem with any Kindle that I had. Paperwhite is a wonderful device

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    None. Unless you are referring to the fact you can trust any to fuck you the second you are not looking

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    Hottest take on this site: Apple.

    I use my 2011 MacBook Pro to manage my 80k photos. My phone is six years old. My iPad Pro is five? (Edit: I lied, it’s a 2017 model) Years old.

    I don’t use their desktops, I use Linux for my servers and windows for playing games. But my Apple shit for casual use has all lasted me an insane amount of time.

    My 13 year old MacBook Pro still gets through 1.75 playthroughs of Beetlejuice on max brightness! Full disclaimer, I originally bought it for games and used Windows 7 always plugged in, and only now it has an SSD and OSX and the battery has 30 cycles. BUT STILL

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      I’ve been using MacBooks for work as a developer for over 15 years. They are ridiculously reliable. Earlier models would have key paint rub off. Mostly cosmetic stuff. But I’ve literally never had one not work.

      I don’t like that you can’t switch out batteries, ram or hard drive anymore.

      Also, they’re not cheap so for personal use I don’t buy apple products (especially since I don’t want to switch from an android to an apple ecosysten) but its to the point where if work tried to make me use a Dell windows laptop for my daily driver id go find another job. That’s how much I like the MacBook pro.

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      Lucky for you, but the truth is, Apple isn’t that great or reliable. Here is a list of all the MacBook recalls, and it’s a list from 2021. Battery issues of possibly catching fire, screens cracking, logic board failures, etc…

      Here is another list that is from 2023 of different Apple devices.

      Apple Watch Series 6 – Black Screen Issue iPhone 12 and 12 Pro – No Sound Issues iPhone 11 – Touch Issues AirPods Pro – Sound Issues iPad Air 3rd gen – Blank Screen Issue Smart Battery Case – Charging Issues iPhone 6s and 6s Plus – No Power Issues 15-inch MacBook Pro – Battery Overheating/Fire Risk MacBook lineup – Keyboard Issues 13-inch MacBook Pro – Display Backlight Issues Apple Three-Prong AC Wall Plug Adapter – Electrical Shock Risk iPhone X – Touch Issues iPhone 7 – No Service Issues iPhone 6 Plus – Multi-touch and Display Flickering Issues Apple European AC Wall Plug – Electrical Shock Risk Beats Pill XL – Overheating and Fire Risk Apple 5W European USB Power Adapter – Overheating Risk Apple Ultracompact USB Power Adapter – Electrical Shock Risk

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        Where’s a list of recalls for non Apple devices for comparison?

        I’ve had several devices that should have been recalled and weren’t so good on Apple for recalling anything at all.

        Did you read the wiki leaks for chained exploits to achieve privilege escalation on various devices? Apple devices had the smallest attack surface by far and had already patched several vectors before they leaked.

        With android, you had several paths to choose from to achieve full control of the device for each and every android version, and the likelihood that a device was patched, if a patch existed at all, was extremely low. Patch releases would lag published exploits for years.

        Apple has always used the right hardware for the job, while others add as much power as possible to hide the fact their software / hardware marriage is abysmal.

        And now there is Apple silicon, which is even better!

        • Hardware: Winner Apple
        • Software: Winner Apple
        • Security: Winner Apple
        • User friendliness: Winner Apple
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          And you had anything beyond saying it to back it up.

          Hardware I’ve already proven, you, well… You made something up and hoped for the best.

          Software, as we are talking more about macOS at the beginning, it’s a joke that you are claiming macOS has more and various software than Windows. There is a reason even Apple uses Windows and not macOS.

          Security, again, you made a quick claim and nothing to back it up. But here is a list of iOS exploits just from 2022-2023.

          User friendliness: this reeks of desperation. And has been proven in the past to be wrong, but keep trolling. I’ll keep laughing 🤣

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            All you have proven is that Apple has had recalls in the past. Recalls happen. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.

            Hardware you have not proven at all. You linked to Apple recalls. Who are you comparing them to? Whose products in this space are more trustworthy to you?

            Security… here is a list of CVEs Samsung is patching just for August. I’m glad they have SMRs, but what is the uptake? Android 14 has a measly 13% share. 70.5% of iPhones are running the latest iOS. Security patches that don’t get installed don’t provide security. You can’t trust android developers to not exploit the hell out of the android os. The OS wasn’t designed with security in mind and anybody that reads the API can see that. The entire ecosystem can’t be trusted.

            Critical CVE-2024-21461

            High CVE-2024-4610, CVE-2024-0153, CVE-2024-21460, CVE-2024-21465, CVE-2024-21469, CVE-2024-21462, CVE-2024-34724, CVE-2024-34725, CVE-2024-34726, CVE-2024-23373, CVE-2024-23372, CVE-2024-23368, CVE-2024-23380, CVE-2024-26923, CVE-2024-31334, CVE-2024-31335, CVE-2024-20077, CVE-2023-20971, CVE-2023-21351, CVE-2024-34731, CVE-2024-34735, CVE-2024-34737, CVE-2024-34738, CVE-2024-34739, CVE-2024-34740, CVE-2024-34741, CVE-2024-34743, CVE-2024-34736, CVE-2024-34742, CVE-2024-34727, CVE-2024-34745, CVE-2024-34746, CVE-2024-36971, CVE-2024-32896

            User friendliness… it is well documented that Apple cares more about users than developers and now, as a result, developers target Apple platforms too. Why? Because developers follow the users. It doesn’t matter how enticing Microsoft is for developers, if there aren’t users, developers will leave. Because Microsoft can’t be trusted and constantly screw over their users. Microsoft is only still in use because they have plenty of monopolies. Every time one of their monopolies falls, users flock to their competitor. Microsoft cannot be trusted to execute. Zune, Windows Phone, Kinect. Office has been replaced. Xbox replaced. And windows is being replaced.

            Here is an analysis of usability and reliability that sums it all up in terms we all understand. Money. Macs are cheaper than PCs.

            This debate is over. ^

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              Debate is over? You come here, attempt very poor attempt of a flood of BS, and call that a debate? 🤡

              Bonus points for linking to the well known and debunked “claim” that macs are cheaper over the long term than Windows. Wow, that sad attempt took me back (and I knew you’d use it). I can see you never looked into that claim. It claims that Windows needed AV, a $100+ a year, but macOS some mhow doesn’t, even though macOS malware was on the rise even then. Combined with how they claimed half the enterprise security suites somehow weren’t needed for macOS showed it wasn’t a serious attempt (a lot like your messages).

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                  It wasn’t a debate not because I wanted a thesis, it’s because all you wanted was to troll. Your entire comment was “lol, trust me bro. Here’s a well known lie to back me up”. And you were terrible at it. Go back to Reddit.

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      Hottest take on this site: Apple.

      That’s because there’s such a huge and biased fan base, and they drown out the actual objective opinions.

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        I notice that here as well. I use tech products from all companies, but the frothing hate for everything Apple brings me back to my teens, in 2003, when I also felt that way. I started coming around when Apple started putting Intel processors in their machines and giving them decent specs for the price.

        I originally bought my first Apple product, a MacBook Pro in 2008 for playing video games! All the PC laptops at the time were huge and had terrible battery life, while a 2008 MBP was tiny, light, and the battery lasted twice as long as GAMING LAPTOP. All I had to do was install Windows. That died in an unfortunate sticky spill and was replaced with my 2011 MBP, which is still going.

        Now I just have that, my original first-Gen Apple Watch, a six year old iPhone, and an old iPad Pro. And they’re all still fast (well, not the watch) and work fantastically.

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        No it’s because they are so far above and beyond any of their competition Apple ‘s worst is better than any of the trash products trying to compete with it.

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      If you’re much of a tech person, you must have been living under a rock if you think all apple products are good. Several of their laptops and desktops have been large misses, some have had critical flaws that burn them out after a few years, one of their iPhones had a battery/processor combo flaw that had the batteries not deliver enough voltage after like a year and instead of doing a recall, they put out an update that undercooked the apu so the phone ran shittier but wouldn’t rando restart anymore. Then there was the iPhone that lost reception if “you were holding it wrong”.

      Also, there’s a reason they were about to go bankrupt in the mid 90’s. They got saved by Bill Gates and got lucky with the Ipod, that saved their company.

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        I just give my experience.

        What is the phone with the undervolting? I do not know that thing.

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            Oh yeah, the thing that all devices do so they don’t just shut off randomly. Apple was just punished cuz they weren’t transparent about it. Would you rather your phone slow down as the battery is almost empty, or shut off at 15%?

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              Lol. That is 100% not true, Fan Boy. My four year old samsung still pulls the same test numbers and frequencies as when it was new. Apple was using flawed batteries with a processor that couldn’t cope and just tried to cover it up.

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                My almost six year old iPhone XS Max also has a very healthy battery. But if we kept our phones for a long time, when your and my batteries aren’t healthy, both of our phones are absolutely going to throttle when voltage drops. If they don’t, they’ll just shut off at 15%. It’s how batteries work.

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    Stanley. I have my grandads original Stanley thermos from around the 40’s and its in amazing condition. The new Stanley products are still top notch.

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      I bought two large Stanley thermoses when they were on sale locally. Used them every day for 5 years. Besides a few cosmetic blemishes they’re as good as new.

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    If there’s one thing the last couple of decades have taught me, is there is no such thing as a brand you can trust forever: even the privately owned family brands sometimes get bought out by some conglomerate or made public, followed by enshittification as the new management tries to squeeze all the value they can of the brand.

    You’re better off not going by brand and researching every large ticket item purchase you want to make: if you’re going to spend $1000, it’s probably worth a couple of hours of your time looking into it beforehand unless your hourly rate is pretty high.

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    Breville (Sage in the UK).

    They’re expensive, but they’re good, and they last.

    I’ve owned: espresso machine, coffee grinder, automatic loose leaf tea maker, coffee maker, toaster oven, bigger toaster oven, waffle maker… I think that’s everything?

    I’ve never regretted any of these purchases and never had one shit the bed. I did sell the tea maker and the smaller toaster oven, but I still have everything else. The coffee grinder I’ve had for over 10 years.

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      Can confirm. They’re not commercial grade kind of quality, but they are some of the best consumer grade right now, mostly because they use fewer plastic parts than most and good quality steel. Though they still use too much plastic in things that would be better served by lower grade metals or glass.

      I also have an espresso machine, coffee grinder, and toaster oven that I’ve had for ages and never needed new parts. I also have an all stainless french press that is really sturdy, but because the shape isn’t perfect, the rod for the press needed to be replaced once since it requires a lot more pressure than it should to use it. But even with that defect, it has lasted nearly 15 years, and I only replaced the rod and filter once.

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      Dualit used to be the dog’s bollocks of toasters but they sold out, and Breville is the new king.

      If you can find a 20 year old steel Dualit on eBay however, it’ll last the rest of your life

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        How exactly did Dualit shit the bed? Aren’t they still repairable and made in the UK? Sorry, I’ve been doing a lot of toaster research and have one in my cart literally right now, so it would be awesome to know if I missed something before paying $350 lol

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    I don’t think you can completely trust any brand. Obviously some are better than others and I assume that’s what you’re asking.

    Bosch tend to make pretty good machines. Mercedes cars are okay. Jura coffee makers are decent. Snap on tools are nice. Petzl outdoor gear is good. Armytek lights are solid. 3M products are good. EDZ and Icebreaker garments are nice.