WASHINGTON (TND) — Dr.Jill Stein, who is a Green Party presidential candidate, has selected Professor Butch Ware as her vice-presidential running mate.

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    It’s simple. I’m not voting “against” anyone; I’m voting “for” someone. I’m not worried about who might win. I’m voting for the person who best aligns with my values, and that’s Jill Stein.

    Which values, exactly? She is the Green Party candidate, aka the candidate for the pro-environment party, correct? Is it safe to say that the environment is an important issue for you?

    I get it—you’re scared of Trump. You hate him. Fine. But half the country doesn’t hate him, and that’s just the way things are.

    I don’t care what half the country thinks about Trump. I’m interested to know what you think of Trump. Post-Agenda 47 research.

    I’m not changing my mind. I’m not suddenly going to stand up and say, “OMG, @aalavre2 was right. I’ve read up on Trump this weekend, and now I’m scared! He totally talked me into voting for Harris!”

    And I already told you that I don’t expect you to do that. That’s what it means to say “I don’t really care if you don’t decide within the next 24hrs to vote Harris or anything like that”.

    That’s not going to happen.

    Like I said above…agreed!

    You act like I’m someone who just moved here from another country and has never heard of Trump.

    No, I am not. I’m sure there are tens of millions of people who haven’t combed through Trump’s official policies. It’s not exactly easy to do so, after all, when it’s mostly videos. Even harder to do so when some of the most important policies are hidden behind boring names like “Schedule F”.

    I’m simply pointing at research you could be doing to inform you of a candidate who I see as the on-paper opposite of Jill Stein.

    Dude, I don’t care. I’m not scared of Trump or his administration. If he wins, I won’t jump into a pile of pillows and cry, “Why? Why didn’t I vote for Harris?! Why didn’t I listen to the people on Lemmy?!”

    I get that you’re not going to say and do such an oddly specific thing. I get that you’re saying you don’t care, and I am telling you, respectfully, “well, maybe you should care”.

    I’m voting for Jill Stein because I like her and I want to vote for her. It’s not that deep. It’s not some deep philosophical reflection on my feelings about the nature of society.

    And I never said it was! But when you put as simply as “because I like her”, it sounds like you’re voting against your interests, when I’d expect you to see Trump as the polar opposite.

    Do you simply think that politics, and who ends up president, don’t matter that much? If that’s how you feel, that’d clear up a lot of things…

    You need to accept it. I have the right to vote for who I want.

    Yup

    You’re trying to bully and guilt me into doing something that you want me to do.

    No, I am not. You’ve accused me of both belittling and bullying in a single comment, and I’m just sitting here asking if you read any if my links or chewed on my point about supporting the Green Party.

    Now I’m asking you, directly, if you just don’t really care that much about who becomes president to begin with. If you don’t wanna answer that, you don’t have to reply back.

    I support you voting for whoever you want. I don’t expect you to explain or apologize for your choice. Please offer me the same courtesy.

    And I’m not asking you to apologize for your political views…but this is a political sub. It’s where we’re free to explain our feelings about politics.

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      And I’m not asking you to apologize for your political views…but this is a political sub. It’s where we’re free to explain our feelings about politics.

      You ARE totally free to ask that. And I am totally free to be tired of explaining. I’ve explained my positions. I appreciate your interest, but this isn’t an “ask me anything!” thread, so I’m moving on. You are just asking way too many question, and I don’t feel like going into any more details.

      I’m not voting for Harris, no matter how many questions you ask me or how you try to sway me. It’s not happening.

      I support and respect who you are voting for. But I am voting for someone different. Actually lots of people are voting for someone different. Please accept that. Thank you!

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        My standing question about whether you just don’t care that much about who becomes president is important. It’d mostly settle your overall feelings on the subject. But if you don’t wanna answer me anymore, then that’s fine.

        What I don’t want is for you to leave this thread off on a non-answer.

        I support and respect who you are voting for. But I am voting for someone different. Actually lots of people are voting for someone different. Please accept that. Thank you!

        You have a right to vote for whoever you want, just like I have a right to ask you “why?”. And you have a right to stop engaging if you don’t want to talk to me anymore. But if you continue engaging, without answering, then I have a right to ask again: “why?”.

        I’m not voting for Harris, no matter how many questions you ask me or how you try to sway me. It’s not happening.

        This is not a good faith statement to make in a political discussion. If you believe there is absolutely zero way you can be swayed into a different point of view, then you shouldn’t try to sway people yourself.

        Perhaps you’re not trying to sway people on anything here, but then…why post to c/politics about Stein to begin with? What’s the point of that if you’re not trying to at least “move the needle” on public perception of Stein?

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          Perhaps you’re not trying to sway people on anything here, but then…why post to c/politics about Stein to begin with? What’s the point of that if you’re not trying to at least “move the needle” on public perception of Stein?

          Because it’s political news and this is a political news community. DId you think that the only political news allowed here was pro-democrat news? That’s actually not the case. This is an inclusive political news sub.

          And I am posting political news articles to a political news sub. That’s how that works.

          You do realize that I’m not writing the articles, right? They are from news organizations posting facts about what is happening. And this is a political news Lemmy community.

          Also, I have posted articles here that are about different political parties, not just the Green Party.

          Did you even realize that I don’t only post Jill Stein articles to this community?

          And do you realize I created and mod a sub about MANY different third parties? One is even called “Third Party News.” In addition one about the Green Party and one about Socialist parties?

          I feel you have a narrative in your head about me, and you are waiting for some “gotcha!” moment. But that’s not going to happen.

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            This isn’t just a place for political news, though. It’s a place to talk about political news, and about the politics surrounding that political news. That’s what I’m trying to do now.

            Why go into the comment thread at all if all you care about is sharing political news? The engagement around that news matters, does it not? Otherwise Lemmy wouldn’t even have a comment section to begin with.

            Did you even realize that I don’t only post Jill Stein articles to this community?

            And do you realize I created and mod a sub about MANY different third parties? One is even called “Third Party News.” In addition one about the Green Party and one about Socialist parties?

            How does any of that matter right now? You said in this thread that Jill Stein is your absolute most preferred candidate. That’s all I really care to address right now.

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              It’s a place to talk about political news, and about the politics surrounding that political news.

              And that doesn’t mean I have to answer every single little question. Do you ask these questions in every article that is posted about Harris? Or are you letting your bias show because you are so desperate for Trump not to win?

              Why go into the comment thread at all if all you care about is sharing political news?

              Because some comments I reply to. Some I don’t. I get to pick which ones.

              You can do the same thing when you post articles.

              How does any of that matter right now?

              Because you were implying that I was trying to “sway” people to vote for Stein. And that’s not the case. I have posted about other candidates as well.

              Dude, I’m not voting for Harris. But I support you voting for her if that’s what you want. Move on.

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                Do you ask these questions in every article that is posted about Harris? Or are you letting your bias show because you are so desperate for Trump not to win?

                No I don’t ask these questions on Harris posts because Harris isn’t a third-party candidate.

                And yes, I would very much like it if Trump doesn’t win. Do you not care if Trump wins, given his environmental policy, and given that the candidate you do support is the pick of the Green Party, aka the pro-environmental policy pick?

                Because some comments I reply to. Some I don’t. I get to pick which ones.

                Yes, and you’ve chosen to reply to many comments from people who clearly disagree with you. why do that at all, if not that you want to move a needle on something?

                Because you were implying that I was trying to “sway” people to vote for Stein. And that’s not the case. I have posted about other candidates as well.

                I asked if you were trying to sway people on “anything” here. And I see posting about Stein as you have as wanting to move the needle on public perception of Stein, like posting about any other 3rd party candidate would be an effort to move the needle on the concept of voting third-party. You asserted that you posted about other third party candidates too, so I’ll ask directly: are you not trying to sway people to vote third-party, given that you post about third party candidates and then defend third party candidates in comment threads?

                Dude, I’m not voting for Harris. But I support you voting for her if that’s what you want. Move on.

                Why tell me to move on when you could simply stop replying?

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                  are you not trying to sway people to vote third-party, given that you post about third party candidates and then defend third party candidates in comment threads?

                  I am not. I am merely posting articles that I am interested in to a political news community. There is not deep-hidden agenda here. You act as if I have some obligation to explain my reasoning to you. I do not.

                  I’m voting for Jill Stein. I don’t care if you want to know more. I’ve answered what I’ve answered. Move on.

                  Actually I don’t feel you will move on, you’ll keep asking the same things and I’ll keep answering the same things. But I’m not voting for your candidate. Do you understand that? Do you understand that I don’t have to tell you why? I’m not afraid of Trump OR Harris. And I’m still not voting for either one. And I don’t have to give any more explanation. Do you understand that?

                  I won’t be baited into blowing up. I’m not angry. Nor do I even care. I’m not voting for your candidate and I find it hilarious that you can’t seem to accept that and want to know why.

                  And guess what? About half the country isn’t voting for your candidate. Not everyone agrees with you, nor do they have to agree with you. Nor do they have to explain their reasons do you.

                  And as for your next variation of a question of why I won’t answer you: I don’t want to and I don’t have to. And that’s ok.

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                    I am not. I am merely posting articles that I am interested in to a political news community. There is not deep-hidden agenda here. You act as if I have some obligation to explain my reasoning to you. I do not.

                    But then again, why do you engage in discussions with people who disagree with you if to your admission all you care about is sharing articles?

                    I’m voting for Jill Stein. I don’t care if you want to know more. I’ve answered what I’ve answered. Move on.

                    Again, why tell me to move on when you could simply stop replying?

                    I won’t be baited into blowing up

                    Idk man, this is a pretty long reply from someone who’s not been baited into blowing up

                    And as for your next variation of a question of why I won’t answer you: I don’t want to and I don’t have to. And that’s ok.

                    So you have no answers to my questions then?