The Wisconsin English teacher, Jordan Cernek, argues in the suit that the district violated his freedom of religion and free speech in mandating the use of the students’ preferred names and pronouns.
A high school English teacher is suing a Wisconsin school district, alleging it did not renew his contract last year because he refused to use the preferred names of two transgender students.
Jordan Cernek’s federal lawsuit alleges the Argyle School District violated his constitutional and civil rights to be free of religious discrimination and to be able to express himself according to his religious beliefs when it did not renew his contract because he refused to abide by a requirement that teachers use the names or pronouns requested by students.
You can identify as whatever you want, but your right to do that stops dead at my right to address you as i see you. Beard and long hair and a dress? Sir/He. Breasts? Ma’am/She. I cant believe this is even a discussion. Your delusion is not my problem or responsibility.
Yep
You can identify as whatever you want, but your right to do that stops dead at my right to address you as i see you.
OK, cool. So you’re good with me addressing you as Mr. Baby Rapist then?
It took me all of 90 seconds to read through your comment history and confirm you are in some kind of pain, the kind that breeds misplaced anger at the lack of stability in your own identity.
You did, however, ponder one valuable bit of insight at the end of your recent AITA post (15 days ago) regarding your wife quitting her job and her not listening to you. Please follow your instinct here. Please do be open to your wife about going your separate ways.
Real talk, she will be better off without you. You act as if she’s holding you back, all the while it sounds like she’s been holding you up. It seems you are the one holding both of you back, and projecting this financial and identity instability onto others is illustrative of your own issues.
You don’t seem like a legitimate troll. You seem like you’re fighting for your own identity and you’re projecting your frustrations by asserting other people are deluded in knowing who they are and somehow insane for wanting a modicum of human respect. Yet I think you and many, many others like you, are those truly struggling.
I think you are currently showing a lack of respect to others because, deep down, you don’t respect yourself. And that is not okay. Needing and seeking help and direction from others, including mental health professionals, is not a blue-haired liberal thing, it’s a human thing. Please consider it.
Nah, actually i am just trolling. I just love reading the unhinged responses. Also, that post was for a friend who is in a very dark place and due to anxiety and other issues, doesnt use social media and wanted some advice. I read the responses with him and there was some good genuine concern and advice from people, so im happy it helped him. As for me, im just here for the lulz. And my psychologist and lawyer both just said not to talk to you anymore.
Aaaaand now I wonder if you (and your friend) are experiencing a wicked case of DID. Please consult your totally real psychologist on that for more info on how to reign in your diverging personalities. (Wouldn’t wanna have to get your lawyer involved, you know, like if your online troll personality state starts wreaking legal havoc in real life. Who would be to blame? You?! Or you?!!?!)
Serious question. And making the forgiving assumption your “friend” wasn’t just a cover story. This troll business you opened up here, do you you actually believe and stand behind what you profess?
You are taking this really seriously, arent you? Are you sure you are all right?
[Ah yes, a solid B+ troll, using the “are you all right” trope to get a rise out of me. The following would be my “rise.”]
Oh for cripes sake, can you not see I was leaning into your trolling mindset with my first bit?!! Keep fuckin moving the goalpost, y’all are good at that.
[Yes, I clearly suspended my disbelief in trying to see what exactly is legitimate under all of what you’ve said so far. It’s a fascinating occupation you’ve taken on, Professional Troll of Dubious Intent (PTODI), but if even if you actually don’t harbor these shitty thoughts against people, you are literally, actually right this moment making the entire platform of discourse shittier. I guess I should step outside my human brain and understand that some purported humans just want to watch the world burn. Sigh… Fuckin PTODIs.]
Why are you doing this? It’s summer, go outside, get yourself a nice cold beverage and relax.
Nah, actually i am just trolling
We are who we pretend to be. If you’re so good at “pretending” to be a bigoted idiot that no one can tell, what’s the difference between that and actually being a bigoted idiot?
Hmm, I see you as someone who is called Mr Poopyface, I guess it’s alright if I call you that then, Mr Poopyface?
What if i called you Mr. Whataboutism? Because that is what you are doing.
It’s not. The point is: you don’t get to decide what you call others. Especially when they’ve already corrected you and you know better. And it’s Miss btw, by your own logic.
Sounds fair to me, Mr. Poopyface.
Only my friends call me chickenfucker
No “personal freedom” to violate the rights of others should exist when you are acting on behalf of the government, just like you can’t advertise AT&T’s service while on a call working tech support for Verizon and not expect to get fired.
What an unwiped asshole. I certainly hope his teaching accreditation is yanked as well.
Good, fuck off. He can find a new job where he’s not expected to treat his fellow humans with the respect they deserve. Being wrong about the nature of reality doesn’t grant the right to be an asshole even if they sincerely believe that it should.
Since I realised it, I have never forgotten that applying basic decency to all living beings is a revolutionary act that will be resisted in various ways, including violence, by those who uphold a status quo based on forced inequity.
Sucks for the violent
Unsurprisingly this Jordan seems to be following another Jordan’s footsteps … “Jordan Peterson, the self-proclaimed anti-political correctness warrior whose refusal to use gender-neutral pronouns has sparked a vicious battle at the University of Toronto campus.” Archived source
Ironically, Jordan became seen as a gender-neutral name in the 1970s and onwards.
Lobsterman would judge their gender by the length of their hair then I guess. :p
Which has made bigots named Jordan increasingly unhappy ever since
Ha ha ‘burnt peter’.
Good.
Jordan Cernek. Sounds like a fitting name.
Republicans: “We need to police what’s taught in schools! Leftists shouldn’t have the right to teach whatever they like to our children! I don’t want my tax dollars being spent filling their heads with woke garbage!”
Republicans when a teacher gets suspended for teaching their views to children: “But muh freeze peach! I have the right to teach whatever I like to children!”
Wilholt’s Law proves true once again
For people who haven’t heard it called that:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
- Frank Wilhoit
What religion requires you to use someone’s birth name? It can’t be Christianity since people always go around calling that one dude Jesus when his birth name was Yeshua.
Plus Jesus loved renaming people so there’s that.
Also, As a catholic or protestant you get to choose a confirmation name.
Not all protestants do this, BTW.
I’m a transgender teacher that can’t work in public schools because I’m trans.
In fact, Oklahoma has executive ordered trans people out of existence.
Can I get news coverage please?
Bring a lawsuit, I guess? I worry it could go up to the supreme court to decide if the law banning you from working in a school is constitutional, and I don’t trust our current supreme court with that decision
I’ve reached out to multiple federal agencies, and no one can agree on who has jurisdiction. And my local ACLU won’t do shit, because as you pointed out, the Supreme Court is itching to set lots of fucked up precedents.
I took out TEACH grants - agreed to serve as a teacher for four years. After three years they ripped the ground out from underneath me.
Super shitty, my friend. I’m sorry. I lost my teaching job when I came out too, but I worked for a study of alternative Christian high school/middle school with like 30 students max so I kinda knew mine was coming.
Man how hard it must be to suck it up, and just do something you don’t agree with because your job said to. What a fucking child of an adult.
This isn’t a new debate, he chose to work in a field where he was gonna be asked to do this eventually. I have to call people “valued customers” all day and don’t agree with it, I don’t see how this is any harder for him to adapt to in his field. (Not that pronoun requests are frivolous and dumb, they’re easy to just…do)
Trans people should start their own religion and then claim bigots are violating their right to freedom of religion or whatever
The Satanic Temple’s Third Tenet states that “One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone” and they will go to court for you to defend that.
Someone should start going by the name, “I owe you 5 dollars”. It’s a fool-proof way to get rich quick.
Idk man. When I was in school before everyone started coming out as trans and such, all my teachers would still ask if there was a different name you preferred on like the first day of school. And they suck to it. It didn’t matter if the student was gay, straight, trans, or whatever; they still had a preferred name they liked to be called by, the teachers asked, and they respected it. I’d like to think those teachers of mine would continue this practice and not have an issue with it, but you never really know.
Teacher here; this is the first thing I do on day one with new students! You want to build a classroom community of mutual respect; failure to do so makes for a hostile classroom and a wasted year.
That was my experience as well, but then I grew in San Francisco, which is like the gay hippie commie Mecca that the Christofascists jerk themselves off on hating. Plus we had a lot of minority students with potentially difficult to pronounce ethnic names, so that might also have been a factor.
Makes sense. My personal experience with this is coming from a small Midwest city in elementary and middle school. By the time we got to high school, the teachers just knew because it was in your record by that point.
I have young kids in school currently. At the open house, that’s the very first thing they asked.
“Teacher suing school after being fired for being purposely hurtful to students for ReLiGeOuS rEsSoNs”
