JD Vance graduated from Yale Law School in 2013. On Sunday, a photo of him in drag while attending the law school surfaced. The photo was initially shared by activist Matt Bernstein on social media. After the photo went viral, Travis Whitfill, an Assistant Professor Adjunct in Pediatrics at Yale School of Medicine, claimed he was the source of the photo., US News News - Times Now
Shaming hypocrites who want to punish others for doing what they themselves did sounds perfectly reasonable
So let me get this straight: When Republicans shame and name-call, it’s horrible and -phobic. But when Democrats do it, it’s out of revenge and just pointing it out, so it’s ok.
So you guys can do it, but they can’t.
Ok, good to know. This is why I won’t be voting Democrat. Or Republican. Because both parties really ARE the same. Thank goodness for 3rd parties!
There is a time and a place for n-parties in this crappy political environment we are subject to, but this election is simply not it. Voting green or indie in this election dramatically increases the chances of there being only a single viable party for all future “elections” from here on out.
It’s easy to get jaded, but it’s best to push Republicans out of the picture and foster a more progressive green party in future elections.
Nothing sustainably good happens quickly in politics, but conversely, our actions in this election can have abrupt, and irreversible consequences.
I’m not telling to to sit this one out or whatever - you do you, but I do ask you to think of what party you are actively trying to cannibalize and then consider the fallout that may be blowing our way.
Oh, and for conversations sake, I don’t care about this shame game they are playing right now. This is trivial nit-picking and neither newsworthy nor thread-worthy. Both sides, sure, whatever. There are greater topics like democracy, human rights, voter rights, labor rights etc that are on the table and this "both sides’ nonsense doesn’t not hold up.
Which is the same thing that have said for the last 50 years. Every single election, it’s variations of. "Oh yes, there needs to be change. But not THIS election. THIS election is too important!
50 years. So no, not believing that anymore. The time to do what I believe in is right now.
Ok what about all the years that Democrats have been in office? Clinton was two terms. Obama was two terms. And all the ones before that? No, fam. Not trusting that any more.
Good, cuz I’m NOT sitting this one out. I’m voting for the party I believe in. The Green Party. And I’m not “actively trying to cannibalize” any party. What? How on earth are you getting that I am doing that, by me voting for the party I believe in?!
I’m voting for Jill Stein. Because I like her. Because I like her values. That’s it. No grand conspiracy. I’m voting for who I want to. As is my right.
Agreed. Why people are focusing on this or the couch or calling people “weird” or whatever is beyond me. People, we have REAL issues to deal with. And both parties are scraping as low as they can to fling some mud. It’s crazy. lol
It’s pointing out Hypocrisy. No shame in the act, shame on shaming the act, while doing the act.
It’s like if you were pro freedom and opted to vote for a Russian asset.
No, pointing out hypocrisy is pointing out. Making fun of someone and shaming them, just because you think they are a hypocrite is still shit.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, comrade.
I’m not sure what you mean? I’m not voting for a Russian asset. If you have proof of a politician running for president being a Russian asset, please please please send that proof to the major news orgs. That would be major news and destroy whatever party they are part of.
What’s your proof. I wanna see!
That’s your proof?! A photo that has been around forever and that even was discussed in a newsweek article about Jill?! Come on, man. Really?
Ok, so here ya go: Stein “attended at her own expense to spread a message of peace and diplomacy” and gave a speech in Moscow “in which she criticized the excessive militarism of both Vladimir Putin and U.S. leaders.”
They added: "The Senate Intelligence Committee later investigated the trip and found no wrongdoing whatsoever. Dr. Stein’s commitment to diplomacy is more needed than ever and stands in stark contrast to the two warmongering ruling parties, which are driving us toward WWIII [World War III] and draining resources urgently needed here at home." https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620
Russians tried to divert left leaning voters away from Clinton by boosting Stein’s candidacy. There is zero evidence there that Stein was contacted by Russia or even aware of the way in which her campaign was being hijacked.
And THAT’S what makes you think she’s a russian asset?! Come on man, be real. So does every politician that is going to meet with foreign people to criticise them, have to worry about being an asset for that country?! lol
Weird company for a US candidate to keep and she’s seems to be having a great time at a table full of murders and war crime speed runners.
Stein “attended at her own expense to spread a message of peace and diplomacy” and gave a speech in Moscow “in which she criticized the excessive militarism of both Vladimir Putin and U.S. leaders.”
They added: "The Senate Intelligence Committee later investigated the trip and found no wrongdoing whatsoever. Dr. Stein’s commitment to diplomacy is more needed than ever and stands in stark contrast to the two warmongering ruling parties, which are driving us toward WWIII [World War III] and draining resources urgently needed here at home."
https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620
Lol you think someone will believe you
From this thread, no. But that doesn’t change the truth that I just told you. Not everyone who disagrees with you is part of some grand conspiracy tho. Please remember the civility rule of this sub.
I think the fact she’s there to meet and greet with a war criminal on her own dime makes it a bit worse. If she was there to represent some NGO or something I would actually say that would be better, then its like she was just doing what somebody else would have to if she didn’t go.
I disagree. I’m voting for her. So we should probably move on.
Jill Stein has already been destroyed several times over… By herself. When she went on camera to rant about 9/11 being an inside job is only one of them. She’s literally too unimportant for news to cover. If she herself posted right now a video admitting to being hired by Putin, it’s likely most networks wouldn’t even cover it because literally no one takes her seriously. Even you are pretending to
Ok, so you don’t like her. So don’t vote for her. I DO like her, so I’m voting for her. It’s really that simple.
Republicans “shame” all people who do that every day as a normal part of their person for whatever reason. Republicans shame the mere existence of people.
Democrats are, in this specific circumstance, are shaming a man who claims wearing women’s clothes is immoral for dressing in women’s clothing. If it’s so immoral, why is he comfortable doing it?
This is like saying terrorists and aid workers both wear pants, so it’s okay to bomb them both.
And now you guys are doing it.
By you shaming him now, makes it seem even more immoral.
You guys are doing EXACTLY what republicans do, but you seem to think it’s ok. They shame, so now you shame. Wow, edgy.
I’m glad I’m not voting for either of the main 2 parties.
Yeah yeah, we get it. You’re voting for the worm brain RFKjr.
Nononono see they’re voting for the worm brain who thinks 9/11 was an inside job. Totally different!
Not even close. Feel free to check out the communities I’ve started here on lemmy. I’m a Green Party Socialist.
I know that doesn’t fit your narrative that everyone who is against you, MUST be a Republican.
Feel free to check my post history if ya don’t believe me, comrade.
I’ve always been amused by people who arrogantly throw away their only political power.
Don’t worry I still have all my guns
I don’t know what this means.
You mean the people who vote a certain way because people tell them to? You mean the people that vote for something just because they are scared that the other side may win?! Then they just moan about things never changing? Yeah, that amuses me too.
Luckily for me tho, I use my political power. I vote for who I want. And this year, it’s Green Party. And I’m proud!
You are a forum slider and a concern troll, deliberately promoting 3rd parties to draw progressives away from voting for Harris without actually believing any of the virtues you extol.
You constantly carry water for repugnicunts despite also constantly claiming you don’t support them.
Sure you do your best to not use the maga words and to frame everything in a pseudopositive light, but your rancid soul cannot be hidden.
Maybe he doesn’t know anyone who will be directly harmed by the policies of the GOP and has the immense privilege of knowing they personally will be safe no matter who wins the next election.
I guess good for him…? I just find it incredibly selfish and sad.
If Democrats are worried about not getting enough votes to win an election, they should get stronger candidates. Welcome to democracy.
History has proven NO ONE is safe under fascism, even other elite fascists. Not even ‘dear leader’ when he begins to look weak.
It is more accurate to say he is ignorant of the consequences of a 2nd drumpf term, as are all of his constituents.
No one believes that you have any sincere belief in this nonsense that doesn’t make a shred of sense.
Some things are true, whether you belive them or not. Feel free to look at my post history and the communities I have created on this sub. Why would I do all that just to fake my support?
Ok, you don’t like 3rd parties. Ok, cool. Don’t vote for them. I’m voting Green, even if you don’t like it. As is my right.
The thing about many disingenuous people is that they normally don’t give up on their deception immediately
So keep going thru your life being suspicious and assuming the worst in everyone who disagrees with you.
Feel free to look at my post history and the communities I mod. Seriously, go look them up.
I mod 10 communities. For colleges, teacher aides, the green party, socialists, etc.
I have no reason to lie, and what possible purpose would I have for doing it an overwhelming pro-democrat sub like c/politics?!
People hate me, all because I am voting Green Party.
Does that sound like a successful vast russian conspiracy media manipulation operation to you?!
I even have people from this sub brigading and going into the communities I started, and downvoting.
They are downvoting my articles about unions and how important teachers aides are in special education.
One of my communities has 3 subscribers. Yes, just 3. But I have a post there that has 35 downvotes.
35 DOWNVOTES!! In a sub that has 3 subscribers.
If I were a russian (or whatever country this sub hates today) media manipulation employee, I’d be finding myself “suicided” out a 10 story window by now.
Come on, now.
It’s not that deep. I like Jill Stein. I like the Green Party. I’m voting for her.
That’s it. That’s all there is to it.
Ftfy
Because I am voting for a different candidate than you?! Really? lololol
If I wanted to vote for Trump, I’d vote for Trump. I don’t like Trump. I’m not republican.
If you are soooo scared that my vote is gonna lose the election for you, then get a stronger candidate. This is a democracy. I get to vote for who I want to vote for. It’s my right. And you can vote for who you want to.
See how that works?
Stop pretending not to understand
Democrat shame results in twitter meme storms.
Republican shame results in people live streaming shooting up churches.
We are not the same.
Notice how you both shame. Two wrongs don’t make a right, friend.
Also, you think the people who shoot up churches do it because of the Republican party?! What?!
You are a media manipulator account, I have been keeping an eye on you for the last few days and if the admins had any sense they would IP ban you right the fuck now.
You are exactly the kind of person that started reddit’s decline.
What?! I have over 10 years of history on Reddit, following my same causes, under this same username. Feel free to go on Reddit and find me and look at my post history.
Creepy that you have been “keeping an eye on” me “for the last few days.”
But if you were paying attention, you’d see I’ve posted pics of myself wearing my Jill Stein shirt. I have started 10 Lemmy communities in order to boost content for Lemmy as an alternative to Reddit. My communities have been about colleges I’ve attended and am attending, a food replacement shake, a workout forum, a community for Teacher’s Assistants and the important role of teachers and teacher’s unions, a socialist community, and a Green party committee, and one of a file-sharing religion.
And THAT makes you think I am a media manipulator account?! Dude I’m old enough remember when Moon Missions were shown on TV.
Because I have views that YOU disagree with and I am not voting for YOUR fav candidate, you’re accusing me of being a manipulator account. What on earth?! Dude, I’ve heard some weird conspiracy theories, but I’ve never been the subject of one!
Let me guess, I’m getting paid by Russia, right? And how? Is it bitcoin? Maybe cash dropped in the mailbox of my mansion (cuz being a media manipulator should pay well!)? Maybe I get paid in jewels and cars and have a big secret Instagram account too! Right? RIGHT?!
I don’t know what you are on, or what your issue is, but please step back a bit. Read what you said to me out loud. lol
I’ve reported you for your lack of civility and how you falsely accused me of being a troll.
If you don’t wanna agree with my views, cool. If you don’t want to have an adult discussion, cool. But calling me a “media manipulator account” and implying that I’m a troll and that I should be banned because YOU don’t agree with me is too much.
I’ve reported you and I’ll let the mods do the rest.
And dude, “watching” me “over the last few days” is weird and creepy. But thank you for thinking I am so important that you need to follow me around!
Well I mean Russian troll farms 100% pushed Stein as a spoiler candidate during the last election, so it’s not nearly the leap that you’re making it sound like.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna951166
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/17/politics/jill-stein-senate-intelligence/index.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/421885-russian-disinformation-campaign-included-pro-jill-stein-sentiments/amp/
https://archive.thinkprogress.org/russia-jill-stein-2016-election-interference-48dff3966227/
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/26/facebook-russia-trump-sanders-stein-243172
So even if Russian troll farms did do that, that’s not Steins fault. She ran, they took advantage. And this time around, they’ll take advantage of RFK.
If the democrats are so worried about losing votes, then they need a stronger candidate.
and he’s using the same cadence of rhetoric, the same irrational enthusiasm presented as a virtue.
Thank you for posting these links, I knew it was bad but didn’t realize it actually got coverage.
If you want more ammunition Thirdway did a piece[1] on Stein back in June - with sources backing up their talking points.
Is it enough to prove she’s a russian asset? No. But her stance on Putin and Ukraine is enough to convince anyone reasonable to not vote for her anyway. You know, besides the general point of not voting third party in an FPTP system.
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Then don’t vote for her. Vote for who YOU want to vote for.
I am voting for her. Because I want to.
Ok you want to play games, let’s see what the admins say.
Considering how many of your comments they removed, I guess they DID have other say. And it didn’t go your way.
So please learn from that and be civil in our discussions from now on. Thank you.
Yes, I would LOVE to see what the admins say. And I hope they say it publicly in this conversation! Attn: Admins, can you chime in?