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        1 would be too many, but they’re still the minority. they can only win if Dem turnout is low.

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          I dunno, I see them trying to steal the election if it isn’t a landslide. If it’s a landslide, then Johnson and SCROTUS won’t have any ground to stand on. But if it’s even remotely close, then they’ll try to steal.

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            Authoritarians are always 30-35% of a given population. The only way they get any power is for the rest of the population to fall asleep at the wheel.

            That’s what happened in 2016, if you look at what percentage of the “likely voters” actually vote, answer polls, ect., you’re going to end up at around 30% of America vote republican.

            In Nazi Germany 33% of the population put him in a position of power, and then they strong armed the rest of the government into copitulating control.

            Remember. Its always the weak and stupid motherfuckers who fuck everyone else over so vote so they never have control.

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              You’re forgetting the other 30% that formed a voting bloc with them because they were scared the socialists might give poor people human rights.

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              No, 49% of people who actually voted. 66% of eligible voters voted in the 2020 election and it had the highest turnout in over 120 years.

              32% of eligible American voters voted for Trump in 2020. This “half of America supports Trump” saying needs to die. It’s just not true.

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      This is why he is so damn dumb, he’s already got the racist vote! So lay off that shit and work on the moderates!

      I’m glad Trump thinks he knows everything though so he more than likely wont listen to sound advice.

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        Yeah, he’s really dumb about these kind so of things.

        When he went back on revealing Epstein info because “some people will have their names exposed who didn’t do anything wrong”, he’s being so transparent and so stupid. If he says he’s going to release info, he doesn’t actually have to release info. More than anyone else in the world, Trump should understand that, but he doesn’t.

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        And the funny thing is, from his point of view (not mine, okay?), shouldn’t Kamala claiming she’s black a plus for his campaign?

        “Another black president?! Hell no!”

        I’m not sure why he does what he does. I guess he likes to stir shit up for the sake of stirring shit up.

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          I think it’s more that he needs black voters so he’s trying to tell them that she’s lying to them so she can “steal” their votes.

          Typical asshole of course.

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            Which is even more asinine because - and I’m not going to pretend that racist black people don’t exist - he is trying to apply the same logic that works with his non-black followers. Replace black with white - “Kamala now says she’s white!!!” And you can tell that that’s how he thinks.

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          He thinks ratings are end all be all. Say some stupid shit to stay in the news just like Elon and people eat it up. It brings people to watch the main broadcasts because it’s not “boring”. That’s why I think most media sites would do well to ignore those types for a bit

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    If this slide can continue to the election, that’s cool. I’m not so sure this Harris surge will last though.

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      How’s that hopey, changey thing working out for ya?

      -Palin (the maverickiest con of all mavericks ever to have mavericked)

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      Republicans always want to “change things back” to an era they romanticize. It doesn’t matter if their “change” wasn’t an option before, such as a president having absolute immunity. In other words, they love making changes but somehow get away with saying they are reverting things to a status that never was.

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      I mean, the dude is nearly as addicted to social media as Musk so it’s entirely possible he’ll read their tweets. But take their advice? Yeah, no, the guy is a narcissist, he doesn’t need advice from anyone.

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    Where have they been? Trump has never focused on actual policy. Now they want him to do something that he’s never before been able to do? Weird.

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    “Trump’s fans beg him to change course.”

    Sure, Jan. You wouldn’t BE his fans if he wasn’t exactly the thing he is every single day.

    Anyway, is this really the thing that’s a step too far? Is this the worst thing he’s ever done on camera? It isn’t.

    It just feels worse this time because you can feel that Kamala Harris is going to beat him.

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      His supporters can’t comprehend that their face is being eaten, but they just noticed something is off.

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      The weird thing is sticking. It’s breaking through the self awareness armor. It’s digging heads out of the sand.

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      Exactly. If he was polling well they’d be excited af to have him say all the worst things in the world about her.

      Remember “Lock her up”? These people are assholes. That’s why they love him.

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        The irony of an actual criminal leading his rubes in chants of “lock her up” is hilarious.

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      Anyway, is this really the thing that’s a step too far? Is this the worst thing he’s ever done on camera? It isn’t.

      Howard Dean’s political career ended because of a random scream of enthusiasm. Jeb Bush said “Please Clap.”

      Remember, we’re talking about what the “final straw” is that broke the camel’s back. The final straw may not necessarily be the heaviest one. Just the last one.

      If the game is tied in the 4th quarter and your QB got picked off for the 3rd time in a row, don’t be surprised when even the rest of the team starts telling the coach it may be time to bench him. It’s exactly what just happened to Biden.

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        I hate the sports analogy. I understand it because I like sports. It’s apt because your statement resonates. What I hate is that it should be about the people and what needs to happen for a society. It’s not a form of entertainment. It’s life and death for most.

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        Remember, we’re talking about what the “final straw” is that broke the camel’s back.

        Nah, though. We’re not.

        Howard Dean was squeaky clean when “the scream” happened. He was everyone’s favorite, and it was too early to say for sure at that moment but we felt like he could win the whole shebang. Then he screamed and it came crashing down. It wasn’t a “final straw”. It was the only straw. A straw made of Republican propaganda and enemy action, swallowed by democratic liberals.

        As for Jeb Bush, he was underwhelming from the start. Nobody wanted him to be president; probably not even him. “Please clap” was his admission that his campaign wasn’t working at all. Again, not a final straw. In this case there wasn’t even a camel in the room, just Jeb, giving up.

        None of these models applies cleanly to Trump. It’s not a “final straw” because there’s a mountain of straw; bales of straw as far as the eye can see. It’s not Howard Dean for the same reason. It’s not Jeb Bush either, because Trump may be faltering but he is literally incapable of throwing in the towel. He doesn’t even contain that, as an option.

        So I don’t know why this one is sticking, but I think we’re closer to Jeb Bush territory than Howard Dean. I think everyone but Trump is getting a glimpse of the fact that this is going to be a bloodbath for him.

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          Dean and Bush may not be the most on-point comparisons, but my main point was to say it isn’t always a big thing that could cause a political career to come crashing down. Sometimes, it’s little, seemingly pointless things that just stick for all the wrong reasons.

          Same thing could end up applying here. For all the racism, misogyny, corruption, lies, criminal acts, and Trump doing things literally daily that would have ended anyone elses career, Trump has been all but untouchable. And then someone called him weird. Sure, there was the NABJ interview, but the “weird” thing had already stuck, and if it weren’t for that, it’s very possible that that interview would have just been written off as another example of Trump being Trump. But nope. Now he’s weird.

          Of all the things Trump has said and done with impunity, being called weird may be what does the trick. Go figure.

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        I don’t know how he could even change course without digging a deeper hole. There’s no way he can possibly convince people that he’s not an overtly racist nincompoop without saying something overtly racist and coming off sounding like a nincompoop. We’ve seen him try and try again

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      They don’t care about walking anything back. They don’t have consequences because their voter base always backs them. They will say whatever they think will work in the moment and then move on to the next double think. Literally taking 1984 for a manual.

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    Don’t worry, Harris, seeing her numbers above 50%, will pick Shapiro and halt all positive momentum she had so that it still will be a coin toss.

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    Weirdest part is people being surprised…

    They still don’t get how much Joe was holding the party back. Anyone else would have seen these same gains

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      Weirdest part is people being surprised…

      They still don’t get how much Joe was holding the party back. Anyone else would have seen these same gains

      go back 3 weeks ago to see all the people outside lemmy.world trying to make everyone aware that biden was the wrong horse for this race and marvel at how it pissed everyone on lemmy.world off for saying so.

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        I remember. We were all essentially called secret Republicans. Guess all of the people causing Harris’s polling to go up must all be secret Republicans as well because they sure didn’t support Biden as hard.

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          i got “chinese shill” and “as a black man” most often for sharing how biden has fucked mine at thousands of other lives.

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          There is a difference between the emotional masses that go off “energy” and the supposed logical leftists here that think they are the essence of logic and will logically not vote because they are logically waiting for the logical platform and blah blah blah.

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            emotional masses that go off “energy” and the supposed logical leftists here that think they are the essence of logic

            You are calling most of the country bandwagoners and the left most people here self-righteous idiots. Everyone’s at fault but the guy running? Now, it’s time for the other ridiculous candidate to get his.

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              I wouldn’t use any of those words. Most people go off “feel”, that’s not the same as bandwagon. But anyway it was mostly about the supposed logical leftists I see here that don’t understand how to move the overton window.

              Who said everyone’s fault? (you seem to be extending that to literally everyone now.) What I had to do a ton of was telling people the way you progress and move the overton window is by voting Dems and making sure they don’t lose. See what happened when Gore lost and when Hillary lost? Now where would things be if they had won? Surprise (not a surprise): further left. Nor was it Bidens “fault”, he’s been a great president and there’s no blaming him like you seem to suggest.

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                I don’t understand what you mean by “feel” then but I do apologize for putting words in your mouth. I watched some videos on the overton window effect but I could have a misconception of how it works.

                Rights for LGBT and abortion have been put out there for a while. I can’t see how Hilary who thought both of these sets of rights as state issues was going to help? How would Hilary move public opinion on these issues to the left? Is it because she would have picked more moderate judges? But at the same time, it seems this overton window idea says the politician is not the one shifting the window (the majority of the time).

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                  You don’t know what feel is? You think Hillary would have appointed judges that overturned Roe (that’s what would have been necessary)? Hillary vs trump and you don’t understand how things would have wound up more progressive over time with Hilary winning, when they went off the cliff to the right when trump won? Yeah I have a hard time thinking this is a good faith discussion.

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              Most of “the left” on Lemmy has consistently demonstrated that they are self righteous idiots.

              I guess some of them are actual propagandists. And some of them are children.

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      Sadly being good at governing doesn’t mean being good at running in an election.

      I was hoping that people could see trump presidency vs Biden presidency and see the difference, but it looks like that’s not enough.

      Having said that, I hope Kamala will be as good or even better than Biden in governing.

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        It’s almost impossible for her to be worse than Biden, so you’re good.

        I was hoping that people could see trump presidency vs Biden presidency and see the difference, but it looks like that’s not enough.

        Correct, there wasn’t enough of a difference between Biden and trump

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          I did not vote for Biden in 2020 primaries, but he positively surprised me. He actually does an excellent job at governing, but very poor at broadcasting his accomplishments. He managed to pass some progressive bills in such a partisan environment. Managed to unite West, reunite NATO and even expand it by additional 2 members who originally were neutral.

          Recovered US from covid pandemic, with lowest inflation in the West. Avoided recession, the US economy has the lowest unemployment.

          You’re just repeating GOP disinformation without concrete examples.

          He actually is on the road to be ranked as one of the best presidents.

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            He managed to pass some progressive bills in such a partisan environment.

            No.

            Congress was able to pass some bills that were a little progressive.

            Biden just signed them instead of vetoing, which is something literally every other person with a D by their name would do.

            Biden was very vocal about how changing anyone in congress’s mind on literally anything, so he doesn’t get to take credit like some magical.puppet master who made it happen.

            And the bounceback after COVID…

            How much of that was an executive action Biden made happen?

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              I mean day one he signed several executive orders. He personally killed the keystone pipeline. I believe he was also personally responsible for us rejoining NATO and the Paris accords. He has done a lot of good work.

              The only things I’m aware of that he has done poorly is his handling of Israel, and his inability to be uncivilized. He should’ve called trump and the rest of the Republicans out on their bullshit and publicly shamed them every step along the way.

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                He personally killed the keystone pipeline. I believe he was also personally responsible for us rejoining NATO and the Paris accords.

                he’s also personally blocking truly affordable green energy products from entering this country; especially EV’s and solar power using the inflation act; and has ramped up fossil fuel products to the highest levels this country has ever seen in its entire history.

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                  As for your first point, I believe he created a tariff, he did not block imports. And can you provide a source for your second claim? I’ve not heard that statistic before.

                  Edit: and to be clear, yeah his tariff sucks ass but it might be good long term because it will help shift American production to greener products instead of just offloading that to green products made elsewhere and shipped here dirtily.

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              Boy you’re still up the b b b Biden bad! stuff huh. He pushed for things from Congress and he got them through when he had the house of reps and Senate. Yes he does get credit.

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        I was hoping that people could see trump presidency vs Biden presidency and see the difference, but it looks like that’s not enough.

        The masses unfortunately don’t vote off platform, they vote off feelings.

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      True. Harris isn’t even a particularly strong candidate. People just want anything except the two old codgers.