"Ain’t no snitches riding with us
Ol mo the mouth n***as could holler the front" - Lil’ Wayne
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Are they trying to make cars undesirable?
It’s an absolute win win.
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If they patent it, no one else can use the same system in the same way. So it’s contained to Ford.
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If they don’t end up using it. It’s simply a safeguard that no one else can either.
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If they do end up using it, people will shy away from Ford, making the roads safer for everyone.
As I said. Win win. This is fantastic news.
- When the patent expires every manufacturer will be using it if they’re forced to by legislation
What if legislation says the feature needs to be added. And then everyone’s forced to buy a license from Ford to make it happen?
No one would be forced to buy a license from Ford. IF they decide it has to be on every car, and it’s that specific system, they would have to buy it out from Ford.
But legislation like that doesn’t happen over night. It’s planned several years in advance so everyone has time to implement it.
But if that’s what you’re worries about. I suggest you vote for whomever is opposed to it. And if no one is opposed. I suggest you protest.
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Just theirs.
But you know, not a bad thought.
What’s especially hilarious is that my Ford Escape reads speed limit signs and then adjusts the cruise control to the new limit +5mph. They let you adjust that setting up to +/- 10mph, iirc.
Well yeah, they have to allow you wiggle room to knowingly break the law. How else are they going to maintain the partnership with law enforcement?
but what if I only went above limit for 1 second by mistake? vigilante snitching is not the police to decide to give me ticket
Ford trying to patent a way to bankrupt themselves for when no one ever buys another ford ever again.
Don’t worry, the federal government will bail them out.
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“But if we market it as a subscription service, then surely customers will want it” - Some clueless executive
it’ll be something the cops subscribe to, and car owners will have no say.
What they should do is give the car owners a cut if the ticket fees. They would have people patrolling the streets to catch speeders. There also be a big uptick in vandalism of Fords. I would love to watch this experiment with some popcorn.
Dude! Yes! We definitely need more companies treating 1984 like an instruction manual. /s
Pay to lose
Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it. It’s a win-win since I already wouldn’t want a ford
Edit: what it uses cameras to look at other vehicles??? That is much worse
Ooh yes good patent it so other manufacturers won’t do it.
Patents don’t necessarily stop other OEMs from using it. It just means they’ll have to pay Ford a fee to license it, themselves.
Welcome to UPS trucks.
And Amazon, and FedEx, and UPS, and DHL…
I a totally meant FedEx. But I thought they were the only ones with police contracts?
They all have telematics in their trucks, and I know they all use the data in the case of accidents to prove fault. Amazon specifically monitors speed and will fire drivers if they do it too much. Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if they started sharing that info.
Oh yea, on the same page, it’s just that FedEx specifically have been proven to hold contracts with law enforcement, while the others have not.
Yep, it snitches on other cars!
Let’s be real, close to a majority of Americans have no issue with their iPhone being used as part of a mesh tracking network, even if it helps abusers with airtags.
All they have to do is sell this to people as benefiting them, and they will gobble it up. Hell, chances are, insurance companies will start offering reduced rates if you drive one (and then they buy the data from Ford and increase rates with it).
The massive difference between AirTags and this is that AirTags (and the whole Find My network, it’s not only AirTags after all) actually provide a useful service to each participant, namely locating their things if they get lost somewhere. This does effectively nothing for you and will only ever fuck over other people (you could argue rightfully so, but still) and provides no value to anyone other than the police.
One wonders whether instance companies will incentivize these vehicles with lower rates.
For whatever the insurance companies deem a low rate driver, sure. But you can be sure that many drivers will be paying more once their insurance company sees how much time they stare at a TikTok videos what “driving”.
Actually. I do wish that phones would fucking tattle on people who can’t be bothered to watch where they’re going while operating 2 ton Hausfraupanzers.
Instead of paying 2000 dollars a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger you pay 1500 a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger, but the car will… SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHERE DO I SIGN?
Ooh that’s gonna get your car keyed.
You have a strange way of writing molotov cocktailled.
I was gonna say, they are getting keyed with bullets
The key that opens anything.
We’ve had the technology for a long time. And speeding really is a contributing factor to motor vehicle accidents and fatalities. If we’re going to have a society that requires being in cars then we need to be a society with severe rules for putting the rest of us in mortal danger.
Make it automatic then, why report a crime when you can limit the speed. Cut out the middle man, also defund the police.
I’d rather that too.
It looks like this system is designed to snitch on the other cars around the snitch car, rather than the snitch car itself.
While I wish people would stop fucking speeding (you really aren’t getting there that much faster) and tailgaiting like fucking Talladega nights, I still think this is bullshit and fuck Ford for doing this.
The need:
Don’t drive over people, kids, pets or other items such as personal property or buildings.
The current status:
People don’t do those things because mostly they are good enough not to run you over. Bad people on the other hand have no internal limits to prevent tragedy.
The fix:
You can’t go faster than the speed limit. Bad people can still drive you over or hit your car or house.
You see how this works? The problem wasn’t even addressed. But additionally there’s the problem of “I’m at point A and would like to get to point B but not faster than the speed limit so the cop doesn’t shoot me 19 times in the back of the head.”
The fix: you can’t go faster than the speed limit. This allows you to get to point B. However the cop can still shoot you 19 times in the back of the head even when you didn’t do anything wrong.
GM will be patenting LED windshields showing the middle-finger and blurring the license plate every time a Ford passes by.
Edit: I’m wrong, now I diverted rtfa. it’s a camera system to detect other cars. My bad.
I don’t understand your comment. GM own ford, right? And the data they are trying to share comes from the car itself, not other cars around it.
No, GM owns Chevrolet, GMC, and Cadillac.
They could make a system that doesn’t allow the vehicle to speed but I guess allowing it and then snitching is better
You should probably read articles before commenting. The cars aren’t reporting themselves.
That sounds like a really bad idea. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to go over the limit situationally.
Especially when other drivers could potentially put you in harms way that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to evade.
Also what if you need to rush to the hospital and don’t have time for an ambulance? Not great but better than someone dying because they didn’t get attention in time.
Even ambulances aren’t supposed to speed. They get their time savings with light switching devices and having traffic get out of the way. 99 percent of survivable medical crises have an hour to reach modern medicine as long as proper first aid has been applied.
It’s also almost universally better to slow down than speed up to avoid an accident. Braking changes your speed far faster than speeding up. It also gives you better traction, (literally it loads the front turning wheels with extra weight), and makes a hit more survivable.
We all want to feel like we’re in a Hollywood movie, but we just aren’t.
I really think you are missing the point here. You say overspeeding may save you, which i think is a very theorical and not frequent occurence but ok, for the sake of argument let’s allow 20kmh above the maximum speed limit, in my country that would be 150kmh, enough to get out of dangerous situation, still way bellow what modern car can do. And you really dont want to go above this kind of speed in urban environments if you’re not a trained professional. Speed limit exist for a reason which extends beyond “when you agree with them” raming in another car and transforming a 1 people emergency into a multiple people one is not a risk we should consider acceptable.
I agree that there’s rarely a good reason to speed. However, most speed limits are fairly arbitrary. Some are too fast, some are too slow.
While i dont necessarily agree with you, it is not my point. I am not saying we should limit the speed according to local speed limit, just that there is no reason ever for an individual car to go above 150kmh (or whatever the highest allowed speed in a country+15% is)
Speed limits are set according to a number of factor from noise, local crash history, density of pedestrians, threshold of the safety equipments (such as rails) , willingness of the governing body to review it, etc While some are not good, I would definetly argue that not all the reasons can be assessed from the driver perspective.
And the individual driver is not the arbiter of that. Just because someone feels the speed limits are wrong doesn’t justify speeding
The arbitrary speed limits are often because many city planners still use the 80th percentile rule. Basically, they do a traffic study, then set the limit at what 80% of people are comfortable driving at. So that means 20% will naturally feel like they can go faster. And as they reach the 99th percentile, they’ll feel like they can go much faster.
The issue with this 80th percentile thing is that it has very little grounding in traffic safety or reality; Many roads are needlessly wide and give drivers an unrealistic sense of safety. They’ll feel like they can go 40 or 50MPH, when it’s really a street that is cutting through a neighborhood and is frequented by children playing, bike riders, etc…
Noted: driving 3 mph under the speed limit in front of all fords from now on.
Go for 10mph under. Gotta really be safe.
If I have to buy a “new” car someday, I’m cutting off every antenna I see.
Unfortunately just like your cell phone we don’t really need external antennas anymore. In a lot of cases there’s not even a wire inside you can easily cut, just traces deep on the board
What I’ve been reading about on that subject is that cars often have a Telematics Control Unit or TCU that can actually be disabled if you can find it. It’s a box that plugs in to the wiring harness. They also have antennas that could be connected by a wire that you could locate, giving us another option to disable them by just disconnecting the antenna wire. That way the TCU could still talk to the main computers but not be able to send out its data.
If it doesn’t have a wire you could always put in a little faraday cage.
Unable to contact servers; boot loop, car won’t start; manufacturer sues you for breaking licensing agreement with unapproved modifications
That’s why we need right to repair
And a corporate death penalty, if I had my druthers.
Classic cars for me then
my classic car is a 2005😎
How is this bad? Speeding is a huge problem ever since the Fast & Furious movies made young guys think it’s cool to drive 180km/h through cities.
Police. The problem is the police.
Fucking mouth breather
Do you think no one sped before fast and the furious a movie famously inspired by people driving like assholes on city streets?
No. But asshole drivers speeding, driving under the influence, running traffic stop lights/signs are still killing themselves and others at an impressive clip. And show no signs of slowing down - pun intended.
You would think that killing enough of those dumbasses would improve the breed like Darwin says it should. But nope.
You do realize the police will jump at the opportunity to give you a ticket for going 1 mph above the limit for 5 seconds while overtaking ?
Perhaps in rare cases. But most polices can’t be arsed to make a traffic stop for all but the most egregious instances. Otherwise you probably would have a few hundred tickets yourself.
In this case they wouldn’t have to make a traffic stop. In my country they would still have to fill some paperwork which might dissuade them (except if they need to keep their numbers up) but I’m sure there are some places where they could legally automate that shit
Douchebags have been speeding since before FAF
But it’s bad because say traffic is going 20 over the speed limit. You go with it since that’s safer than going the speed limit. Then you get a ticket for it?
That’s not speeding, which means recklessly driving like a madman - and 20 mph over is not a small amount when the limit is 55.
The „it’s not illegal if everybody does it“ defence also isn’t going to help you. Because it’s the slipperiest of slopes.
I go over the limit sometimes, too, and when I get caught I pay the fine like an adult, instead of making up childish excuses why it was actually fine to do so.
And anyway, the fines are adjusted by how much you went over, if you just slightly go over, it’s cheaper.
So in summary, you’re an idiot and I hope you get caught doing something really bad soon,
The safest speed to drive is the speed of traffic. It’s not that “everyone’s doing it” is an excuse, it’s literally the safest and therefore most ethical choice.
Don’t tell me that, tell that to the officer giving you a ticket lmao
Most officers don’t ticket for speed of traffic, the uniform vehicle code (federal advisory on traffic laws) literally advises them not to for obvious reason. Most cops will focus on cars exceeding both the speed of traffic and the speed limit. If you drive you whole life going the speed of traffic you are very unlikely to be ticketed ever.
The problem is that a lot pf times the limit is a joke. It needs to be set what is actually safe, not arbitrarily low to create speed traps or whatever. There’s really no reason an interstate that’s more or less straight for 100 miles should be limited to 55/60. People are not going to stick to that because they can safely go a lot faster (depending on traffic obviously) but then you have others who will rigidly adhere to the speed limit while ignoring proper lane usage. The combination of the two types of driver create dangerous bottlenecks where you have congestion and people weaving in and out to get past slower drivers.
Fixing the speed limit would at least eliminate the issues caused by people using as a justification to drive slower than the rest of traffic in whatever lane they want. The next step would be to enforce properly keeping right if you are not passing which is what is responsible for a lot of the dangerous congestion people encounter on the road.
As for what Ford is doing either way it’s stupid but if they’re going to do that why not just make the system limit the top speed to whatever the current speed limit is instead? You know, actually fix the “problem”.
