Netanyahu’s going to need a much bigger military for whoever he goes to war with next. Because they’ll have an actual trained military force to go up against.
You clearly don’t remember who won every Arab-Israeli war fought between Israel and multiple Arab countries’ militaries at once.
But yeah go ahead and cheer on Iran, a known state sponsor of terrorism.
Let’s see Israel do it without an endless supply of American shells and bullets. They publicly said they couldn’t do Gaza without it. Let’s try Syria, or Iran. Should go well right?
Oh look another genius who doesn’t know any history.
When Israel was first formed and for the much of its history was aligned with the Soviet Union while the west supported the Arabs just like it supported Ronnie Reagan’s good friends the Mujahideen. Israel still beat the Arabs multiple times when it was aligned with the Soviets against the west.
As for Syria and Iran you know you’re on the wrong side of things when you’re cheering for two state sponsors of terrorism that have done far worse than anything Israel ever has despite what the liberal propaganda tells you.
Iran de facto occupies Lebanon through Hezbollah, blew up its own civilian flights while trying to attack a US base after the USAF killed one of their generals who was a known terrorist and is trying to build and use nuclear weapons against it’s political and religious enemies.
Syria meanwhile is one of the most war brutalized countries in the world with most of their citizens having had to leave what was previously a normal prosperous country because their dictator who practically deepthroats Putin’s cock decided to wage a brutal war against his rivals some of whom were worse than him and others who wanted democracy and freedom.
He has the worlds largest military behind him backing him up from anything.
For now. Harris seems much less inclined to help out Israel based on things she’s said so far. I hope so anyway.
Harris is going to lose the election lol.
I can see why you’re laughing out loud. I too find the idea of a genocidal fascist running a nation to be hilariously funny.
Move onto land that isn’t yours
Cause the people to fight back
Hide as others battle in a war for you
Get mad when policy changes and you have to fight
Except that’s literally not at all what happened. There was never any sovereign nation called Palestine prior to the end of the British Mandate of Palestine. Before that it was ruled by the Ottomans. And the name Palestine was originally given to the region by the Romans when they ruled the region to spite the Jews by naming their promised land and ancestral homeland after their historical enemies, the Phillistines and the name just stuck.
During all of those periods both Arabs and Jews lived in that region. When the British Mandate of Palestine ended there was a war between the Jews and the Arabs and the Jews won as they did time and time again despite the Arabs being the aggressors the vast majority of the time. This idea that a nation called Palestine existed prior to the end of the British Mandate or that there’s an ethnicity of people called Palestinians that aren’t just garden variety Arabs is completely false and used as propaganda. The land these people claim as theirs never belonged to them nor did they ever rule it before and they lost all the wars they started to attempt to claim it.
The Arabs don’t get to fuck around and find out and then play the victims.
never any sovereign nation called Palestine prior to the end of the British Mandate of Palestine
free Philistine then idgaf
So I can claim any land that was promised to me by some imaginary friend?
The reports from the British colonial forces are clear. The Isrealis pushed the British out and attacked the Palestinians.
And you don’t get to occupy someone for 70 years, refuse them rights, refuse to let them have a state, or properly annex them, and then be surprised they want to kill you. This is like Hitler calling the Warsaw Ghetto Jews the violent ones.
That’s not true. The British were given the responsibility to rule the region until it could govern itself. The evil Jews didn’t force them out and then attack the Arabs.
The British left of their own will and then there was a war which the Arab coalition had much more manpower in but they still lost. They were occupied so much as they wanted all the land for themselves and to kill all the Jews which is why they started that war thinking it would be an easy victory with backing from all their other Arab allies. They were wrong and lost only got to keep what land they could hang on to in that war and have been crying genocide and occupation ever since despite starting the majority of all conflicts between themselves and the Israelis. As for the lie about Israelis being mostly random foreigners from far away taking the poor Palestinians’ land away boohoo. The original Israeli military was largely an amalgamation of the militias of various Jewish tribes that had lived in the region under all the same rulers as the so called Palestinians had.
Bottomline you don’t get to start multiple wars with a nation and then cry abuse when you lose all of them, even the ones you thought would be easy wins.
And you don’t get to occupy someone for 70 years, refuse them rights, refuse to let them have a state, or properly annex them, and then be surprised they want to kill you.
Arab Israelis have the same rights as any other Israeli citizen and they even serve in the Israeli knesset and have their own Arab political parties there. Meanwhile there are no Jewish Palestinians to speak of given that Hamas and the Palestinian Authority would kill them for openly practicing their religion.
As for having a state, I wasn’t aware that every sovereign nation needed Israel’s permission to declare and enforce their own sovereignty. Lol. The fact is there are also plenty of other countries that don’t recognize Palestine as a sovereign state and even if you want to frankly how can you? Right now it’s broken into two regions with two separate governments. Even if the Israelis were to magically all disappear there would just be another war between the various groups of Palestinian Arabs with Hamas likely coming out as the victor and creating another terror organization run, violently oppressive failed state not dissimilar to Taliban ruled Afghanistan which is a nother state that many countries choose not to formally recognize.
As for not annexing them properly, you once again forget history. The Jordanians allowed the Palestinians into their country at one point and as thanks for their generosity, the PLO assassinated their king and tried to take over Jordan. Besides all the aforementioned conflicts they started with Israel, attacking and attempting to take over your own allied country when it gives you refuge doesn’t exactly inspire trust and as a result for a while the Jordanians had better relations with the Israelis than the Palestinians, despite being majority Arab-Muslims. So after they pulled a fiasco like that why would Israel attempt to annex and integrate the Palestinians instead of doing what it does now and requiring them to apply for naturalization and go through their normal vetting process if they want to become Israeli citizens?
Oh wow that is a lot, it’s going to take some time to read through that. Especially since we’re starting off by jumping straight into the racist colonial ideology deep end. The British just had to take control of the area because the locals weren’t capable of governance. A tale told in literally every colony state ever and as false in all of them.
Saying the British left of their free will is hilarious. They left of their own free will in the American Colonies too. It’s okay we can let them keep some dignity right? It’s not like they left after a major terror campaign or anything.
And the Locals wanted the settlers from the colonialist regime gone too? Oh wow that’s like super evil.
And now you’re going to tell us they’re different conflicts. The Israelis have never stopped committing acts of war. It’s all the same conflict.
The Israeli “militias” were absolutely comprised of settlers. The main pro settler organization was buying the supplies. They were unapologetically Zionist from their founding in 1939.
The Palestinians in the occupied area haven’t started a dang thing. They’ve been reacting since the British took it upon themselves to play colony with them.
Arab Israelis live a separate but equal life. They have the same rights in the exact same way Black Americans did. Just with less official rules to point at.
And yeah you kind of need Israel’s permission when they actively prevent elections, and assassinate government officials at will. It’s okay though, Gaza didn’t need a head doctor for their hospital system.
Hamas and Fatah are actually in the middle of historic talks right now. And they had a peaceful election until Israel intervened.
The PLO is not responsible for Israel keeping the West Bank and Gaza in limbo. There is no carve out for, “they look mean”. You either annex them or go home and now days even annexation is going to require a majority vote. That ship sailed around the 1970’s.
For all the “woe is me” and “all Palestinians are terrorists responsible for everything bad” propaganda here, just stop. This narrative is fucking tired. We have the Internet now. We have cameras. We have data, and memories. This isn’t the 1980’s when you’d get a single news paper article as the information source. You can’t contain this and you can’t lie your way out of it anymore.
Tbf most of them have lived there for many generations, it’s not as if they consciously chose to move there just to spite the previous residents. But I do agree they shouldn’t be treated specially for their religious beliefs, and that no one should be forcefully crafted even.
No.
The vast majority of the settlements have been built either entirely or partially on private Palestinian land.
More than 700,000 settlers – 10 percent of Israel’s nearly 7 million population – now live in 150 settlements and 128 outposts dotting the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
A settlement is authorised by the Israeli government while an outpost is built without government authorisation. Outposts can range from a small shanty of a few people to a community of up to 400 people.
Some of the settlers move to the occupied territories for religious reasons while others are drawn by a relatively lower cost of living and financial incentives offered by the government. Ultraorthodox Jews form one-third of all settlers.
Ok, so a third of settlers are Ultra orthodox. That means the majority, two thirds, aren’t, and the statistics for what percentage of ultra orthodox Jews are settlers are still not present in this conversation. Just to make it clear, there are many legitimate reasons to hate Ultra orthodox Judaism. Just trying to make sure it’s for the right reasons and not a scarecrow.
Just to be clear, I never said I hated anyone.
Fucked up that you want to make sure I hate them for the right reasons? Idiot
I didn’t say I hated anyone either. I hate the ideology of Ultra orthodox Judaism, not any individual person. Mostly for the harm it causes to people and animals, but also because it isn’t true.
They are absolutely pushing Palestinians out to settle their land. The government actually has programs incentivizing living in a settlement, making it cheaper and better served than living in the normal borders of Israel. Unless you’re Palestinian of course. Then your home gets surrounded by barbed wire and you have to go through armed checkpoints to go anywhere, work, groceries, school, literally anywhere.
Some are moving onto Palestinian land. But as I said, most of them stay in ultra orthodox communities they’ve lived in for generations, where they do admittedly have their own issues. But ones that don’t include settling on Palestinian land.
It’s not just the ultra Orthodox. This isn’t a religious issue. It’s a racism issue. And it’s several hundred thousand settlers, not some tiny faction.
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