• El Barto@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Anybody that feared Biden dropping out needs to re-evaluate the way they look at politics.

    In what way?

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      I don’t know. It’s been pretty clear for a while that the traditional Democrat strategy of winning by courting centrists and staying the course has been less and less effective every election. Tapping into enthusiasm for leftist policies and energizing the base to increase turnout has seemed like the better move for a while. That’s what Obama won big on and then completely failed to deliver.

      Staying the course with the “nothing will fundamentally change” candidate was always a path to losing, and after his disastrous policy on Gaza we were in a nosedive.

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        Leftism isn’t a real thing. It’s just a feeling.

        In a political campaign always want to offer an optimistic future. As we’ve seen with Biden, it doesn’t really matter if he makes the most pro-union policies in history, join picket lines, protect social programs, and only fail to increase minimum wage because his party didn’t have enough votes. “Leftists” don’t care about policies, it’s entirely an emotional thing.

        It’s easy enough to understand. The leftists that voted for Obama became more centrist as they got older. The leftists of today are young people who only know about Obama from wikipedia and what they’re told by politcal grifters on youtube and tiktok. Being young they’re emotional and low information voters.

        Harris offers the same “Hope & Change” feelings that Obama did. Which policies get implemented will be dependent (as always) on which party controls Congress. By the end of her first term hopefully enough of the low information emotional young voters will have more information and be a little more capable of critical thinking to vote for her again.

        Also Gaza has nothing to do with leftism, it’s actually a war between a democracy (Israel) and a fascist regime (Hamas). It just feels leftist LOL.

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        That’s what Obama won big on and then completely failed to deliver.

        Bro, Imma stop you right there. The GOP shut down the government under Obama TWICE for no reason other than being the little shits that they are and don’t hide nowadays. So, don’t drive this “Obama did nothing” nonsense narrative. Also, ACA. Even the Republicans benefit from it right now.

        Now moving on, I still don’t see what is there to re-evaluate for the people who feared that Biden dropped out. Hindsight is 20/20, and it’s very easy to say “ha, you were wrong!” after the fact.

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          Obama didn’t do nothing, he bombed like 9 countries and bailed out the banks after they halved black wealth.

          I can’t say whether the ACA was better than nothing because I still can’t afford healthcare.

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              Currently in SC and between jobs, but before I got laid off, I stopped putting money into the HSA and using any kind of healthcare after I saw how much doctors visits, dental, and routine blood work drained it.

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      I’d been getting shit on for years for trying to tell people Biden would have to drop out to give the Democrats a chance this election. Lo and behold, once he finally does, Democrats are suddenly on track to win.

      Everyone who didn’t understand that this was going to be the case had their heads buried too deep in the sand to hear any of the legitimate, well intentioned criticism of their preferred candidate or the arguments for why switching would be a good thing. Such folks who accused me of being a Republican or a Russian bot when I was actually right cannot be trusted to perform political analysis.

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        4 months ago

        You still haven’t said in what way people who feared Biden dropping out need to re-evaluate the way they look at politics.

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          They were afraid of a thing that would significantly improve their electoral chances because they were too wrapped up in their support for a presumed nominee to put their biases aside and consider the benefits of switching to another candidate.

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            Your sentence comes down to: “Their biases made them afraid of considering better options.”

            Specifically what biases are you talking about?

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              Anchoring Bias, Salience Bias, Normalcy Bias, Confirmation Bias, Semmelweis Reflex, Egocentric Bias Blind Spot, False Consensus Effect, Illusion of Control, Illusion of Validity, Naive Realism, the Overconfidence Effect, Zero-Risk Bias, Neglect of Probability, Sunk Cost Fallacy, Plan Continuation Bias, Ambiguity Effect, Loss Aversion, Status Quo Bias, System Justification Bias, and the Dunning-Kruger Effect, among others.

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                Don’t be dense. Those are types of biases anyway. Now tell me the biases you’re talking about.

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                  I don’t understand what you mean. I’m literally referring to any and all mental hangups which made people think that sticking with Biden would have been better than switching. That switching improved the Democrats chances should have been extremely obvious even without the benefit of hindsight, and the folks who thought otherwise were wrong and should reckon with this so they can be less wrong in the future.

                  What part of this is confusing?

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                    This is the part that is confusing:

                    “Biden supporters had biases that prevented them see the big picture.”

                    Ok, what biases?

                    “Anchoring bias, blah, blah”

                    That’s like saying “there are many reasons why that engine doesn’t fit for that car” and then when someone asks you “what reason?” you reply “a technical reason, a mechanical stress reason, an electrical failure reason,” ok, but GIVE ME SOMETHING CONCRETE. Is that red cable sticking out of the engine too thin and it risks catching fire?

                    Ok, name ONE example bias that you can say it is “anchoring bias” in this case.

                    That’s all I want, man.

                    “Democrats have a Status Quo bias because they do this and they do that.”