Left-leaning voters online have rallied around Kamala Harris this week, and many are increasingly critical of those who have said they’ll withhold their vote.
I’m glad Harris is popular with the Dem majority who do reliably vote as well as the unreliable younger demographics.
I’m glad the party decided to fucking listen for once. The enthusiasm is because they listened. The listening was not because of enthusiasm, but rather its absence.
They listened in 2008 and ran Obama instead of Clinton, then they listened in 2016 and ran Clinton instead of Sanders. They have been listening to people who actually show up to vote, which was that person’s point.
How do you want them to behave such that they would have ignored the votes for Sanders but not ignored the votes for Obama? Please suggest a policy they can use which is consistent and has integrity, not just, “I was personally excited for candidate A therefore candidate A should have won the primaries.”
If you’re going to pretend that the party’s support for Clinton was the result of a fair primary and wasn’t already present before a single vote was cast, there’s no point in arguing with you.
They moved to the right before the 2016 primaries.
I linked you to what the votes in that primary actually were, feel free to observe the facts if your ego isn’t too fragile for it. I’m not happy about it, I am just trying to not have a cognitive bias in the same why that you do. It’s insane. We agree on the desired outcome in these elections but you’re so focused on being mad about how the votes went in the 2016 primary that you accuse me of being happy they chose Clinton. Get a grip.
I linked you to what the votes in that primary actually were
And implicit in that is the assumption that the 2016 primaries were fair. I also pointed out that the party leadership was all in on Clinton before a single vote was cast. They had no way of knowing where the votes were. They saw that Obama, who ran to Clinton’s left, was popular with voters. But they wanted Clinton. So they put the cart before the horse.
Maybe they should have taken the votes of people in swing states into account when they totally decided to follow the votes instead of just moving to the right.
Again, you’re assuming a fair primary. You’re also assuming that Sanders would have fewer votes in the general.
There was no public sentiment clamoring for the party to move to the right in 2016. Just the unfounded assumption that Clinton was the strongest available candidate because the party had bullied all other candidates save one out of the race.
She lost to Trump because she didn’t have enough votes. She had more than Trump did, sure. But it wasn’t enough votes. Enthusiasm matters. Railroading the voters with a candidate they resent voting for kills enthusiasm.
I’m glad the party decided to fucking listen for once. The enthusiasm is because they listened. The listening was not because of enthusiasm, but rather its absence.
They listened in 2008 and ran Obama instead of Clinton, then they listened in 2016 and ran Clinton instead of Sanders. They have been listening to people who actually show up to vote, which was that person’s point.
How do you want them to behave such that they would have ignored the votes for Sanders but not ignored the votes for Obama? Please suggest a policy they can use which is consistent and has integrity, not just, “I was personally excited for candidate A therefore candidate A should have won the primaries.”
If you’re going to pretend that the party’s support for Clinton was the result of a fair primary and wasn’t already present before a single vote was cast, there’s no point in arguing with you.
They moved to the right before the 2016 primaries.
Thank you for you agreeing I am correct that they follow the votes. You can move the goalposts to campaign financing if you like.
They move to the right and then announce they follow the votes, regardless of where the votes actually are. You’re just happy they move to the right.
I linked you to what the votes in that primary actually were, feel free to observe the facts if your ego isn’t too fragile for it. I’m not happy about it, I am just trying to not have a cognitive bias in the same why that you do. It’s insane. We agree on the desired outcome in these elections but you’re so focused on being mad about how the votes went in the 2016 primary that you accuse me of being happy they chose Clinton. Get a grip.
And implicit in that is the assumption that the 2016 primaries were fair. I also pointed out that the party leadership was all in on Clinton before a single vote was cast. They had no way of knowing where the votes were. They saw that Obama, who ran to Clinton’s left, was popular with voters. But they wanted Clinton. So they put the cart before the horse.
Maybe they should have taken the votes of people in swing states into account when they totally decided to follow the votes instead of just moving to the right.
What swing states? AZ? NV? PA? FL? Somehow I suspect the DNC should have thrown out those votes and listened to only CO and WI, right?
Do you fact check anything you write or you’re just all in on cognitive bias all the time?
Again, you’re assuming a fair primary. You’re also assuming that Sanders would have fewer votes in the general.
There was no public sentiment clamoring for the party to move to the right in 2016. Just the unfounded assumption that Clinton was the strongest available candidate because the party had bullied all other candidates save one out of the race.
She lost to Trump because she didn’t have enough votes. She had more than Trump did, sure. But it wasn’t enough votes. Enthusiasm matters. Railroading the voters with a candidate they resent voting for kills enthusiasm.