PeerTube is fantastic with its decentralized model that prioritizes user privacy and control. However, it still struggles to gain widespread popularity.
What do you think could be done to enhance PeerTube’s appeal and functionality, possibly even becoming a serious alternative to YouTube?
What I’m about to say is probably dumb but… I think it wouldn’t be really possible for PeerTube to become a serious alternative to YouTube, because of decentralization.
Like, sure, that may be a good thing in certain cases - we’re literally on Lemmy - but I want to be able to access content from most PeerTube instances using one singular instance, which isn’t really possible with PeerTube. As a result, the majority of instances feel dead.
I think the only actual way of making a serious alternative to YouTube is to make an open-source and centralized alternative to YouTube (if that doesn’t already exist), but I might be missing something.
Isn’t the entire point of federation to be able to do what you’re describing?
Because videos are heavy and can be lost during federation, a PeerTube instance can only federate with another few instances and not with the entire network iirc, so the content is widely dispersed among PeerTube instances, which means that each instance has very little content.
This is why I think the solution would be to have a centralized open-source platform for this. Because there’s no federation, people are encouraged to go to the main instance, meaning that it will be more alive.
Data streaming costs have to be better addressed. How does the bill get paid? It’s really that simply.
Lots of great content. (And maybe exclusive content so people have to go there.) I think concerning functionality, it’s pretty alright as is.
We need to make it more profitable to post on peertube than to post on yt.
That’s probably impossible, since there are no ads on PeerTube. There’s nothing keeping content creators from using YouTube AND PeerTube though.
That would mean that some walk away from YouTube. Thus shrinking the ad revenue.
It’s a problem.
I think if we do a crypto based pay per gb for generalised data delivery we could do it.
Adding crypto is just adding another layer of complexity imho.
An integration with Liberapay would be in the right direction, I think.
Yes, do both platforms, and also we’ve already figured out that the patron model works. If enough people like something, some will pay to support the creator.
That fact doesn’t grow peertube right now, but I think it means we don’t actually need to monetise peertube directly.
More peers.
Which can only really be addressed by making it easier / less of a hassle to become a peer.
I for one would love to host a peertube instance, but I keep running into a wall when I try.
There’s a webpage for that https://ideas.joinpeertube.org/ Top 5 are:
- Share channel administration between several users (103 votes)
- “Audio only” video quality (91 votes)
- Mobile phone client (91 votes)
- Allow third parties to contribute bandwidth (89 votes)
- Support multilingual videos (67 votes)
Feel free to vote or add more ideas.
I mean a large problem with services like Lemmy Mastodon and peer tube is that they’re complicated. There’s a learning curve require that I don’t have to have if I go to a place like YouTube or any other video site. Peertube requires me to learn about servers and other things in order to fully utilize their service and that’s a massive barrier to the public. Currently it’s preventing me because I just frankly don’t have time to go learn about more technological Concepts to best use a service.
Don’t get me wrong it’s not a dig at the services. They are excellent and I’m glad they’re here and one day I will figure out peertube but until these sites are as easy to use as going to a link and just doing whatever the person wants to do if they’re just not going to take off. Places like limmy and Mastodon and even peertube need a centralized portal so that is just super easy to start.
I’ve yet to get peertube working and I … just don’t care to take the time to figure it out. If it doesn’t work on mobile easily it won’t get take off. And this is coming from a nerd.
Same, I’ve resorted to blocking the peertube link bot because I was tired of trying and it not working. It has its chance to make a good impression, it failed 🤷
This is absolutely a thing. I barely got onto Lemmy in the first place because having to choose a server is such a barrier to entry. Having to pick a community when you don’t even know what the service is like yet is a major turn off for some people, myself included.
Right I forgot about that. That’s also a thing with Mastodon. I think in decentralized Services need to push that there are each other so it doesn’t matter which one that you end up going with. That’s at least what drove me to get on let me in the first place cuz I know that whatever instance I would get on would allow me to participate with everybody else the same way you and me are on different instances right now.
Yeah that made it feel better once I knew that too. It just needs to be made optional I think, in the sense that there should be a “give me a random server with good ping and stats” kind of thing maybe.
Right? I have been thinking how someone could build something like that. I would love to try my hand at a landing page like that
Personally? Onboarding.
I’ve looked at the instructions on how to install peertube several times now, but its just not worth the hassle at this point. Until I can run it in just a single docker image, without an external database or email service required, then I’m not going to bother.
Its really frustrating, because I really like the project, but I just don’t have the ability to use services like it without docker or podman.
for end users too. the federated model can get a bit confusing at first and can use some onboarding.
That’s not going to happen. At least as I see it. They pretty much follow best pratices. Lots of webapps use a database, redis, a reverse proxy and sometimes they’re able to send out mails. That’s exactly what’s happening with Peertube, too. And splitting it allows for customizability, different setups, you can maintain one part of it at a time or keep them updated. And not everyone needs to reinvent databases, they regularly better use the official postgres container. Docker is a container platform. If you merge everything together into one large thing, that’d be more a classic install without containers and everything runs on the same OS.
And they let you do that. There are packages for like 3 distros: https://docs.joinpeertube.org/install/unofficial
Or you need docker-compose and it becomes easy to manage the 3 or so containers. But it’s exactly the same for Peertube as it was for all the other services I installed on my server.
Napster only required one app. I don’t see how forcing everyone to use three apps together helps with adoption.
Isn’t Napster a desktop app for streaming? That’s a very different kind of software. Peertube needs to provide content to several people, make it accessible to potentially the whole internet. It connects you with hundreds of other instances and hundreds of thousands of other videos, accounts and comments. All of that needs to be organized, handled and stored somehow. There is just no way around a proper setup. I mean you also can’t build an entire house with just your trusty Honda Accord and a cordless drill at your disposal. You need professional tools for that. And sure, you can build a dog shed with that. But it doesn’t really help discussing “adoptability” of houses if they were to be constructed with just a cordless drill, if physics doesn’t allow for that… The answer is to just use docker-compose in this case. It’s easy to use and does the proper set up.
I’m talking about the original Napster, which would function shockingly close to how PeerTube presents itself. The only thing missing from there original Napster would be a media player.
If that can be done in the 1990’s, there doesn’t seem to be a reason why it can’t be done today.
I think something that gets overlooked is the ease of use of setting up a Peertube server yourself.
If I want to host my own Mastodon or Lemmy instance it is pretty straightforward, and I can just do so on my unRAID server with a simple ready-made docker container. But when I want to do that for PeerTube, as a novice I somewhat run into a brick wall.
I am assuming it is about at the fediverse finish?
I prefer video on teevee so that boxes me into spytube. can’t even get nebula for my device or whatever anchors are shilling now.
Such device coverage does not require mega corp market position it seems.
While first in time group grew quickly, their replacement will take a hot minute to mature imho
I am surprised fediverse is as active as it is and has enough depth to gain users.
I am also doing my part around this here place too lol
What kinda of users do you want? Creators or eyeballs? The joinpeertube website doesn’t seem to cator to users wanting to just watch videos.
I’m trying to get some of the bigger FOSS game developers to use PeerTube for their videos, but it ain’t easy. I’m actually surprised at how many of them don’t have a presence on any of the FOSS social media platforms.
It really all just comes down to the content and the service that can be provided to the content creators.
Storage space is expensive and is the biggest hurdle. Most PeerTube instances have very small storage quotas, so a content creator would run out of storage fast.
Personally I have a very small yt channel that I haven’t uploaded to for months. I’m making stuff again, and my plan is to start uploading things to peertube early and then to yt, and I will tell people in my videos that they can find my videos early there.
I doubt I’ll make a huge difference from me personally, but I’m sure if more creators did this it would start to. There needs to be a bridge between the platforms.
The thing is, they’d have to do it for the sake of creating an alternative space, and not for like patreon benefits or something. I guess the peertube videos could be unlisted and there be links from patreon, and then they go public after the yt one does? I don’t even know if peertube has this functionality.
But again, this would have to be done because the creator believes in federation as a long term solution. It certainly would benefit creators personally to have a backup they’re more in charge of. The difficulty is they don’t seem to know it’s a viable option.
It goes like this.
The world has been getting more and more uptight these past few decades. Things have to be THIS way, not THAT way. And corporate greed is what gets to decide what THIS way even is. So you HAVE TO watch your videos on youtube. Why? Because that’s what everybody does.
Then youtube starts making their own platform shit…but it still has the content and the userbase that nobody leaves. And everybody ignores the obvious. They want the glitz and razzle dazzle of a fun exciting new time, to the point everybody forgets the fundamental rules of life. We’re letting google dictate the internet, we’re letting amazon dictate shopping, we’re letting spotify dictate how we listen to music. All while ignoring the fundamental rules for living. And that rule is very very simple.
All you need to sell a product is a good quality product, at a reasonable price.
But corporations don’t want to supply that, and so they’ve trained us to instead be distracted with apps, and AI, and all these bells and whistles to day to day life that are quite frankly not needed. In the 1980s you could roll your car window down without the car being on. There was a little crank, and you just roll the window down by turning the crank. Then you had to have the car be on, so the motors could roll it down for you. Now we’re at a point where you’re encouraged to get on the cars app, and pay for features and subscriptions to do basic functions like heat the car seats, or use the radio.
And when it comes to video, google has trained people that youtube exists, and nothing else does. Well, the price of using youtube is free. So you’re not going to compete with youtube on price. So then you need to have a quality product. And in this case, the product are the videos. Top tier quality videos, that people want to watch, from creators that people have a fanbase for.
I haven’t watched anything on peertube yet, because I don’t see any creators I watch also using peertube. I’ll give you an example. If MXRPlays were to make Peertube their exclusive home, I would watch it in a second. Even if they made it their secondary home I would watch on peertube, just so that they could have some control over their own livelyhoods. They’re CONSTANTLY getting demonitized on youtube for showing something that’s just barely breaking a rule, or in some cases completely fictional and never happened. For example, one time they got a strike on their channel for “Showing or encouraging violence towards children”. They went back and watched the published video from their own hard drive (since the published one was deleted), and they never saw any child anywhere in their video. They never saw any violence in the video. They never saw anything that they could say was anything close to that. And youtube constantly goes after them. It seems like every 2 months they have a hiatus because youtube has another strike against them.
Or maybe Game Grumps. They don’t have any issues with youtube as far as I know…but if they were to just migrate all their content over to peertube, hundreds of thousands of people would also migrate with them.
I don’t know if Markiplier or JackSepticeye are still big names on youtube, but I imagine they would each bring a big audience. So that’s it. That’s the way you make peertube popular. You consistantly put out popular content, preferably exclusively, but at this point even non-exclusively would be good too if they mentioned it on their platforms.
