The wealthy elite get their position through violence and exploitation, not by taking advantage of people’s poor decision-making - this reminds me of that “why don’t homeless people just buy a house” kind of attitude.
Anarchists are all about rules and regulations, as long as they’re non-hierarchical - to the extent that one of the major phrases associated with anarchism is “Anarchy is order”, and the well recognised symbol of the A within the O. For example, you could agree with a group of friends to take turns to be the designated driver - any of you can freely and voluntarily decide to get a taxi, but you decide to work together for the benefit of the group. If someone takes advantage of the benefit without taking their turn, you’ll quickly all agree to stop driving that friend. This is a really simplified example of how anarchism works.
I’d encourage you to seek out and read more about it. It’s a very sensible and coherent ideology.
Predatory loans is a great example - they’re not taken out because people have bad decision making ability but because they’re left with no other choices. If you’re poor and you’re struggling to make ends meet, your credit card is already maxed out because you had to fix your car and you can’t afford groceries what other option do you have other than a short term loan?
Quoting the dictionary isn’t how you learn about things! You know that, you little rascal! If youre interested in the etymology, the term anarchism comes from the greek “an archos”, e.g. without hierarchy. It is possible to have laws without hierarchy.
An absence of state, definitely. Government? Depends on your definition of government but if you take it to mean state then sure. Lawlessness and disorder, definitely not - I’ve been to several anarchist collective groups and they’re some of the most well-structured, organised and managed events going.
they’re not taken out because people have bad decision making ability but because they’re left with no other choices.
Bruh have you forgotten about the global recession of 2006? There were people that had 4 and 5 houses.
You’ve never heard of the auto loan scams?
Never heard of the mobile home scams?
None of those situations are improved by people taking out loans they know they can’t afford.
Quoting the dictionary isn’t how you learn about things!
So…how am I supposed to learn, exactly? You’re going to tell me? Wikipedia says something similar. If there’s another definition, that’s not the one I was referring to. But you knew that, didn’t you?
Sure, go read the Wikipedia article, that’ll give you a solid foundation! I’d suggest the Conquest of Bread if you’re interested, or google “what is Anarchism”
Have they considered renaming the movement? It’s a bit like “believe all women” or “anti-work”. You’re shooting yourself in the foot by using words with concrete definitions that don’t mean what you’re trying to convey.
It’s the other way around - because the establishment has so much to fear from anarchism, they peddle anti-anarchist propaganda. If we renamed anarchism, they’d just do the same thing. Anarchism does exactly what the name implies - against heirarchies.
Generally anarchists want regulations to protect people from being preyed upon. It doesn’t want people telling them how to live their lives. People should have the liberty to choose how to live for themselves, as long as it doesn’t negatively impact others. No one should have the power to control another person’s life. We need to have regulations that protect people and to keep things ordered, but we don’t need anybody ruling over others.
Some definitions, sure. Not all of them. Not lawlessness and chaos, which is how it’s normally portrayed in the media. Ordered liberty without hierarchy is what it is.
anarchism
1: a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups
2: the advocacy or practice of anarchistic principles
Arguing based on dictionary definitions is like, a meme. It’s like those facebook memes with the horribly written maths problems. The dictionary definition of a word will never capture the full nuanced meaning of the term. Arguing about it is pure pedantry.
Some people, sure. Lots of people, absolutely not.
LOL that’s rich. How do you think those people became rich elites? By taking advantage of people who make poor decisions.
I’m getting A LOT of mixed signals here… You’re an anarchist, in favor of regulations? How does that work?
The wealthy elite get their position through violence and exploitation, not by taking advantage of people’s poor decision-making - this reminds me of that “why don’t homeless people just buy a house” kind of attitude.
Anarchists are all about rules and regulations, as long as they’re non-hierarchical - to the extent that one of the major phrases associated with anarchism is “Anarchy is order”, and the well recognised symbol of the A within the O. For example, you could agree with a group of friends to take turns to be the designated driver - any of you can freely and voluntarily decide to get a taxi, but you decide to work together for the benefit of the group. If someone takes advantage of the benefit without taking their turn, you’ll quickly all agree to stop driving that friend. This is a really simplified example of how anarchism works.
I’d encourage you to seek out and read more about it. It’s a very sensible and coherent ideology.
Yes, exactly, exploiting people’s poor decisions. Like predatory loans.
You are intentionally taking away the wrong message.
…what? LOL that’s the polar opposite of anarchy…
Oh ok sure, let me do that:
anarchy noun an·ar·chy ˈa-nər-kē -ˌnär-
1a: absence of government
b: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
c: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2a: absence or denial of any authority or established order
Predatory loans is a great example - they’re not taken out because people have bad decision making ability but because they’re left with no other choices. If you’re poor and you’re struggling to make ends meet, your credit card is already maxed out because you had to fix your car and you can’t afford groceries what other option do you have other than a short term loan?
Quoting the dictionary isn’t how you learn about things! You know that, you little rascal! If youre interested in the etymology, the term anarchism comes from the greek “an archos”, e.g. without hierarchy. It is possible to have laws without hierarchy.
An absence of state, definitely. Government? Depends on your definition of government but if you take it to mean state then sure. Lawlessness and disorder, definitely not - I’ve been to several anarchist collective groups and they’re some of the most well-structured, organised and managed events going.
Yes it is.
Bruh have you forgotten about the global recession of 2006? There were people that had 4 and 5 houses.
You’ve never heard of the auto loan scams?
Never heard of the mobile home scams?
None of those situations are improved by people taking out loans they know they can’t afford.
So…how am I supposed to learn, exactly? You’re going to tell me? Wikipedia says something similar. If there’s another definition, that’s not the one I was referring to. But you knew that, didn’t you?
Sure, go read the Wikipedia article, that’ll give you a solid foundation! I’d suggest the Conquest of Bread if you’re interested, or google “what is Anarchism”
Have they considered renaming the movement? It’s a bit like “believe all women” or “anti-work”. You’re shooting yourself in the foot by using words with concrete definitions that don’t mean what you’re trying to convey.
It’s the other way around - because the establishment has so much to fear from anarchism, they peddle anti-anarchist propaganda. If we renamed anarchism, they’d just do the same thing. Anarchism does exactly what the name implies - against heirarchies.
Oh is that what it is? 🤣 Everyone is wrong and you’re right?
Anarchism is not what you believe it to be. The Wikipedia page honestly isn’t too bad for it:
Generally anarchists want regulations to protect people from being preyed upon. It doesn’t want people telling them how to live their lives. People should have the liberty to choose how to live for themselves, as long as it doesn’t negatively impact others. No one should have the power to control another person’s life. We need to have regulations that protect people and to keep things ordered, but we don’t need anybody ruling over others.
You mean what the dictionary says it is?
Some definitions, sure. Not all of them. Not lawlessness and chaos, which is how it’s normally portrayed in the media. Ordered liberty without hierarchy is what it is.
Can you direct me to the “correct” definition?
anarchism 1: a political theory holding all forms of governmental authority to be unnecessary and undesirable and advocating a society based on voluntary cooperation and free association of individuals and groups 2: the advocacy or practice of anarchistic principles
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchism
Not sure why you’re so obsessed with the dictionary. Is it some kind of kink or something? x
Your definition doesn’t sound like something with lots of rules…
You mean the thing that establishes a common understanding of the meaning of words? Seems pretty important to me 🤷
The dictionary isn’t a fucking encyclopaedia you stupid fuck.
You’re correct. The encyclopedia would be the wrong resource for this type of discussion.
Arguing based on dictionary definitions is like, a meme. It’s like those facebook memes with the horribly written maths problems. The dictionary definition of a word will never capture the full nuanced meaning of the term. Arguing about it is pure pedantry.