Stop trying to mimic meat products, it’s a losing battle and will always be inferior. Stop trying to fit foods into a meat “alternative” product that just sucks in comparison to the original, but you try to justify as being “almost the same”, it’s never even close. It’s easily the main reason so many people won’t even consider vegan options, they’re constantly being lied to and resent that.
Embrace the ingredients and use them in ways that actually make sense. You don’t need to replace meat products for people to try an alternative diet, you just need to have other good options. Many vegan restaurants have absolutely delicious and filling food, it’s never the options that try to replace a burger though. It’s the foods designed from the ground up to be vegan and embracing what the ingredients actually are.
But all it does is remind people how it’s not any of those things. It’s like an uncanny valley for food; the more like meat you make it the more attention you draw to all the ways it’s not. If you make it look like something else people will compare it to that thing instead of judging it on its own merit.
And yet this post is literally trying to replace a hotdog. From the image, not just as a replacement for the role of the meat, but trying to mimic the hotdog in its entirety.
There’s nothing contrarian here. I’m saying a vegan hot dog trying to imitate a regular one will be bad. Make vegan food that’s actually good and embraces what it is made out of instead of trying to replace a regular meat item.
The fact there are responses here literally saying to lie to people about what they’re being fed is insane.
vegan hot dog trying to imitate a regular one will be bad
But it’s not bad. It’s good. It’s like really good.
It’s good enough to take a picture of and share online. It’s good enough to see online and make your mouth water. It’s good enough that I plan my meals to get some, and I’m looking forward to eating two of my own on Monday (pictured):
If you just don’t like it, that’s fine. That’s your taste, and I’m not going to try and tell you that your taste is wrong because that’s totally subjective.
I don’t like tempeh, but I’m not going to go around saying tempeh sucks and you should stop enjoying it, because that’s just debating a matter of taste.
Will a vegan hot dog probably not be as tasty as the real thing? Yeah, but if you’re vegetarian/vegan you occasionally have a hankering for a hot dog, and this can get you at least halfway there, who cares? Don’t be an ass and insult what people want to eat just because it offends your sensibilities, which seems to be the main reason people are down voting you.
Will a vegan hot dog probably not be as tasty as the real thing? Yeah
I actually find the vegan alternatives taste better than the meat based ones (I’m thinking primarily about burgers, the vegan hotdogs/sausages I tried some years ago were borderline inedible).
I know you’re going to be downvoted, but you really underestimate how good hot dogs are at a barbecue.
Serving people salads at a grill outing is a way to lose friends, giving them vegan hot dogs without telling them is a way for them to consider eating less meat. C:
What? Salads at the BBQ are important and kick ass. Salads of fresh, ripe tomato and herbaceous basil with a touch of oil and vinegar, smashed cucumbers with chili powder and black vinegar, watermelon and mint salads, potato salad with a good mustard and dill…
They ain’t the mains at the meal, but they serve a critical function of rounding out the meals and brightening up the plate and palate. Plus they’re packed with vitamins so they help you drink longer in the sun without a nasty hangover the next day.
Eh, since going vegetarian in the past year or so, I’ve found that a lot of the meat substitutes actually are pretty good, depending on how you use them. It’s not usually so perfect that one cannot truly tell, sure, unless it’s a dish where the meat flavor is heavily affected by spices and similar like with chili, but I’ve definitely found types of substitute bacon, or burgers, or ground meat that taste quite good. Though in my experience it’s usually been the cheaper or simpler ones, like black bean burgers or tempeh bacon, that taste best. Not the same, but similar enough to be tasty in broadly similar ways.
it’s never the options that try to replace a burger
I generally agree with you, but I actually disagree on this specific example. It’s not fake meat burgers that I think are good, though, it’s black bean burgers. They’re just their own thing and they’re awesome.
A vegan sausage can very much be its own thing, both tofu and seitan have their own distinct flavour profile. While there certainly are fake meat sausages, you cannot just assume it is one because of its shape, the same way a meat sausage isn’t just a fake cucumber.
Vegan sausages and hotdogs are like the only plant based alternatives that taste like the real thing because 90% of the flavor is just the seasonings you use anyway. Use the same seasonings, find the right texture (mushrooms and breading work well), and you’ve got a good plant-based sausage or hotdog.
The problem is those same additives that make a hotdog what it is, are the ones that make it horrible for your health. Let’s not get close enough to hot dog to make it equally bad for us
I don’t hate them, but I’ve been saying this for years; maybe because I grew up mostly vegetarian, so I find that there are so many interesting flavours other than meat.
Like one local pub here had this great lentil based burger that they stopped making (in-house I’ll add) as soon as Impossible meat came bursting on to the stage.
Now, my partner who was raised eating meat meals all the time loves these fake meats (I like them fine, I mean they are good, compared to what was around 90s definitely!). And I’ve been to the pub with a gaggle of friends and most of the people will get the impossible burger now, which was absolutely not the case before.
So as a gateway for meat eaters to try skipping like one meal of meat and realising they’re fine, I’d say they’re a smashing success.
Sorry but I absolutely hate this take. I stopped eating meat about 15 years ago, but I grew up on meat-based dishes, and I occasionally like to eat stuff from my childhood, just without the meat. It literally doesn’t affect you at all, but you still find the need to tell me that I’m wrong for eating what I enjoy.
Stop trying to mimic meat products, it’s a losing battle and will always be inferior. Stop trying to fit foods into a meat “alternative” product that just sucks in comparison to the original, but you try to justify as being “almost the same”, it’s never even close. It’s easily the main reason so many people won’t even consider vegan options, they’re constantly being lied to and resent that.
Embrace the ingredients and use them in ways that actually make sense. You don’t need to replace meat products for people to try an alternative diet, you just need to have other good options. Many vegan restaurants have absolutely delicious and filling food, it’s never the options that try to replace a burger though. It’s the foods designed from the ground up to be vegan and embracing what the ingredients actually are.
the point isn’t to fool people into thinking it’s meat the point is to fill the same role as meat in a dish in terms of texture, protein, etc
But all it does is remind people how it’s not any of those things. It’s like an uncanny valley for food; the more like meat you make it the more attention you draw to all the ways it’s not. If you make it look like something else people will compare it to that thing instead of judging it on its own merit.
sounds like you shouldn’t be buying and eating it, on the other hand I enjoy them and enjoy that they’re not real meat
And yet this post is literally trying to replace a hotdog. From the image, not just as a replacement for the role of the meat, but trying to mimic the hotdog in its entirety.
The Glizzy is a form factor for the masses.
dude you’re letting “being contrarian” define your whole identity. reconsider your life
There’s nothing contrarian here. I’m saying a vegan hot dog trying to imitate a regular one will be bad. Make vegan food that’s actually good and embraces what it is made out of instead of trying to replace a regular meat item.
The fact there are responses here literally saying to lie to people about what they’re being fed is insane.
But it’s not bad. It’s good. It’s like really good.
It’s good enough to take a picture of and share online. It’s good enough to see online and make your mouth water. It’s good enough that I plan my meals to get some, and I’m looking forward to eating two of my own on Monday (pictured):
If you just don’t like it, that’s fine. That’s your taste, and I’m not going to try and tell you that your taste is wrong because that’s totally subjective.
I don’t like tempeh, but I’m not going to go around saying tempeh sucks and you should stop enjoying it, because that’s just debating a matter of taste.
Will a vegan hot dog probably not be as tasty as the real thing? Yeah, but if you’re vegetarian/vegan you occasionally have a hankering for a hot dog, and this can get you at least halfway there, who cares? Don’t be an ass and insult what people want to eat just because it offends your sensibilities, which seems to be the main reason people are down voting you.
I actually find the vegan alternatives taste better than the meat based ones (I’m thinking primarily about burgers, the vegan hotdogs/sausages I tried some years ago were borderline inedible).
I know you’re going to be downvoted, but you really underestimate how good hot dogs are at a barbecue.
Serving people salads at a grill outing is a way to lose friends, giving them vegan hot dogs without telling them is a way for them to consider eating less meat. C:
It’s always some form of deception.
Just be fucking real.
I’ve had excellent vegan food and no one ever tried to trick me into it.
That’s a good way to lose friends.
What? Salads at the BBQ are important and kick ass. Salads of fresh, ripe tomato and herbaceous basil with a touch of oil and vinegar, smashed cucumbers with chili powder and black vinegar, watermelon and mint salads, potato salad with a good mustard and dill…
They ain’t the mains at the meal, but they serve a critical function of rounding out the meals and brightening up the plate and palate. Plus they’re packed with vitamins so they help you drink longer in the sun without a nasty hangover the next day.
Deception is definitely the best way to do things. Don’t want to actually let people know what they’re eating of course.
Never ask what the hot dog is made of :>
Eh, since going vegetarian in the past year or so, I’ve found that a lot of the meat substitutes actually are pretty good, depending on how you use them. It’s not usually so perfect that one cannot truly tell, sure, unless it’s a dish where the meat flavor is heavily affected by spices and similar like with chili, but I’ve definitely found types of substitute bacon, or burgers, or ground meat that taste quite good. Though in my experience it’s usually been the cheaper or simpler ones, like black bean burgers or tempeh bacon, that taste best. Not the same, but similar enough to be tasty in broadly similar ways.
I generally agree with you, but I actually disagree on this specific example. It’s not fake meat burgers that I think are good, though, it’s black bean burgers. They’re just their own thing and they’re awesome.
I agree about black bean burgers. I’m an omnivore but will choose the black bean patty often because they’re just so good.
Same with these vegan hotdogs, they have an autentic flavor. In my opinion, they are “a thing” on their own not pretending to replace anything.
Yeah, I never liked veggie burgers, but black bean patties are awesome!
…. Although I do like beyond/impossible
A vegan sausage can very much be its own thing, both tofu and seitan have their own distinct flavour profile. While there certainly are fake meat sausages, you cannot just assume it is one because of its shape, the same way a meat sausage isn’t just a fake cucumber.
OK dad
Vegan sausages and hotdogs are like the only plant based alternatives that taste like the real thing because 90% of the flavor is just the seasonings you use anyway. Use the same seasonings, find the right texture (mushrooms and breading work well), and you’ve got a good plant-based sausage or hotdog.
I’m not even vegan, btw!
The problem is those same additives that make a hotdog what it is, are the ones that make it horrible for your health. Let’s not get close enough to hot dog to make it equally bad for us
I said seasonings. I mean, sure, too much salt is bad; so just don’t use a fuckton of it.
Why not? The seasonings are what makes it taste like a hotdog and I’m not eating a hotdog because it’s healthy. Let people enjoy things.
Isn’t the main health concern due to the nitrite from the curing salts? If there’s no meat to cure, there’s no need for curing salts.
I don’t hate them, but I’ve been saying this for years; maybe because I grew up mostly vegetarian, so I find that there are so many interesting flavours other than meat. Like one local pub here had this great lentil based burger that they stopped making (in-house I’ll add) as soon as Impossible meat came bursting on to the stage.
Now, my partner who was raised eating meat meals all the time loves these fake meats (I like them fine, I mean they are good, compared to what was around 90s definitely!). And I’ve been to the pub with a gaggle of friends and most of the people will get the impossible burger now, which was absolutely not the case before.
So as a gateway for meat eaters to try skipping like one meal of meat and realising they’re fine, I’d say they’re a smashing success.
It tastes good tho.
I like it when the food tastes good.
Sorry but I absolutely hate this take. I stopped eating meat about 15 years ago, but I grew up on meat-based dishes, and I occasionally like to eat stuff from my childhood, just without the meat. It literally doesn’t affect you at all, but you still find the need to tell me that I’m wrong for eating what I enjoy.