• Firebirdie713@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 months ago

    And yet rice, beans/lentils, pasta, vegetables, and spices are all vegan, and are all the staples for low-cost meals in grocery stores the world over. Where do you live where that isn’t the case?

      • Firebirdie713@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        2 months ago

        Fruits are also available but usually tend to be more expensive and are usually considered a treat for people on limited budgets. Me not listing them was part of keeping to the usual budget shopping lists recommend for people with limited income. Unless you are further being a pedant and insisting that tomatoes are fruits and not vegetables.

        And while I am fortunate enough to live in the continental US, I mostly buy what is in season and local and therefore on sale for relatively cheap. And anywhere where that isn’t available, frozen veggies are available, often for even cheaper and with no difference in nutritional value or content. If you don’t have a fridge/freezer, dried veggies are also available in most markets (dried peppers especially) and canned goods are far better for you now than they ever have been, with only marginal decreases in nutritional value.

        Where do you live that absolutely no vegetables are available in any form for a dollar a can or five dollars for a family pack that would make a couple dozen meals for a family of four?

        (Edit: Or, if not in the US, where you can’t even buy local produce, unless you are in an area where there is famine. In which case you may object to the fact that almost half our farmable land is used to grow crops to feed to animals instead of being used to grow more food for humans.)

        • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          2 months ago

          If you aren’t regularly eating fruit and vegetables your meals aren’t healthy. You are explicitly leaving out essential elements of a healthy diet to go “beans and rice are cheap.”

          Clearly none of you have been broke and hungry before.

          • usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.mlOP
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            2 months ago

            Beans and rice aren’t replacing the fruits and vegetables part. People eating meat-based diets are also eating fruits and vegetables, or if not, they aren’t going be healthy either

            • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              2 months ago

              If you are not eating a bunch of bread and meat and eggs then you are getting your fill in more expensive products. Meat and bread and eggs have high caloric/protein/carb content and have been subsidized to absurdly low prices. It is why low income families depend on them. It’s how they get a full stomach.

              Go to a Walmart with someone who eats meat and dairy and match their meal efficiency per dollar. Good luck.

              • usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.mlOP
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                2 months ago

                This is more or less just repeating the original claim without addressing any of the other points brought up. I am also confused why we’re talking about bread now when that’s perfectly plant-based?

          • Firebirdie713@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            2 months ago

            Dude, vegans can and do eat fruits. For people who can’t afford seasonal fresh fruit, we have fortified foods like bread, pasta, rice, and cereals, most of which are also vegan. I specified rice and beans (and everything else you conveniently ignored, lol) because they make a complete protein, which is usually the only thing you need to monitor closely if you are vegan on a budget. Anything else and you are best off getting a multivitamin for best bang for your buck.

            Also, you saying none of us have been hungry and then lecturing us about not getting both fruits AND vegetables when fresh fruit is one of the most expensive things in a grocery store, outside of meat that is? You clearly have never been poor enough that you have been needing to have your ‘fruit’ be the cheapest jar of grape jelly you can find, or the cans of frozen ‘orange drink concentrate’.