- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
Nearly three in five Americans wrongly believe the US is in an economic recession, and the majority blame the Biden administration, according to a Harris poll conducted exclusively for the Guardian. The survey found persistent pessimism about the economy as election day draws closer.
The poll highlighted many misconceptions people have about the economy, including:
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55% believe the economy is shrinking, and 56% think the US is experiencing a recession, though the broadest measure of the economy, gross domestic product (GDP), has been growing.
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49% believe the S&P 500 stock market index is down for the year, though the index went up about 24% in 2023 and is up more than 12% this year.
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49% believe that unemployment is at a 50-year high, though the unemployment rate has been under 4%, a near 50-year low.
This really misses the big problem. For many people, the costs that are most inelastic (like food and housing) are the ones with the most inflation. For people in financial situations that aren’t great, there aren’t easy ways to lower costs.
Inflation statistics like the CPI also grossly inaccurately measure what an accurate basket of good is by including many things that are frivolous and so it totally misses how people are feeling. Did the price of a large television go down slightly decreasing the overall inflation a bit? Yes, but I still need to buy incredibly expensive food. I don’t need to buy a TV. That makes me worried. I can’t cut down on food.
This leads to having to consider things like: should I try to move to an even less expensive place, which results in moving costs? Should I look for a better paying job and is it likely I will find that and what happens if my employer finds out and fires me because I am searching for a new job?
There are also large feelings of uncertainty about the economy and about inflation. For those who own property and purchased it a lower cost than the market rate, things are fine. For everyone else, it’s terrible.
Biden is doing a horrible job of being realistic about how people feel about these things. He is looking at ivory tower economic statistics and either he doesn’t get it or isn’t acknowledge it. The message from him is that he’s doing a good job and things are improving. That isn’t reassuring. It feels like a “let them eat cake” mentality. I’d much rather have him say “yes, certain things in the economy are problematic” and then either say how they will be improved or just bluntly say the best option is to not do anything because doing things (like market interference) is potentially worse.
I support the rights of trans people, and I like some of Biden’s ideas, however for most lower middle class people who are completely stressed out, Biden seems like a terrible option. Even for lower middle class people who dislike Trump, they at least view him as a realist. I am left not knowing if Biden is ignorant of how people who don’t own homes are feeling or if Biden is being so defensive with his record that he seems out of touch, but either way, he will definitely lose at his current trajectory.
He keeps not addressing this problem and it’s a big problem for many voters, probably over half of all swing voters are effected by this. I wish I could advise Biden on what to say and do to improve his poll numbers, because many of the problems that bother large segments of the voters are things that could be easily resolved through the executive office without new laws while adhering to classical economic theory, but he’s not going to make the needed changes, I have no way of suggesting things except sending a letter that will not be read but instead will just be summarized as a view (like “letter received, opinion is inflation is bad”).
He is going to keep relying on ivory tower economic statistics because fundamentally he’s a career politician, he believes his bureaucrats or lacks the ability to understand the real experiences behind the data, and Trump is going to swoop right in and pluck every disaffected swing voter or disaffected Democrat he doesn’t reach. The fact that Biden is also doing cool or nice or interesting things in terms of other policy choices doesn’t somehow make up for this major weakness in ignoring this.
The fact that The Guardian is referring to the public’s “misconceptions” highlights how journalists and also politicians just regurgitate erudite statistics without reflecting on their real world implication, as though regular voters were just wrong or stupid. This is also a problem of Democrats at large who don’t know how to take academic research and information and look to the real-world meaning of it and then communicate effectively with regular people or implement practical policies based on this data.
So yeah, Biden will definitely lose. Trans people should figure out how to organize now for possible fascism, which sucks. They should figure out how to technologically, emotionally, and organizationally prepare for a worse case scenario. I can’t fathom Biden would win.
Good little write-up. I was just thinking along these lines today. It’s a real shame Biden didn’t try just a little harder to connect with the working class.
His state of the union definitely was pro-working class. A couple quotes from that speech: “A future where the days of trickle-down economics are over and the wealthy and biggest corporations no longer get all the breaks.” “America’s comeback is building a future of American possibilities, building an economy from the middle out and the bottom up, not the top down, investing in all of America, in all Americans to make sure everyone has a fair shot and we leave no one behind!”
It’s frustrating because these economic problems are not that hard to change through sensible policy. I’ve thought about making TikTok videos about several things that could be done, but I am concerned about TikTok’s privacy policies and they are about to get banned as a platform anyway. I’m mostly stupid at everything except economics. The only other way to reach people is YouTube and YouTube shorts don’t have any reach and and YouTube also has terrible privacy policies. Both political parties keep making disastrous economic policy decisions instead of making the smart decisions and just taking 3 minutes to explain it to voters. I can’t believe that our politicians are actually this bad at economic policy. With Republicans, I think they are just genuinely evil bad people that are either corrupt or delusional about their impact. For Democrats, it seems like they actually don’t understand economics or can’t make sense of data. I’ve even thought about running for office, but I don’t have a normal job history and was arrested once and charged with assault with a great bodily injury enhancement and am probably too tainted by that to ever appeal to Democrat voters. I’ve also have sucked way too many dicks to appeal to Republicans, just a vast, vast amount of dicks. I don’t think I could be a politician and an openly prolific slut. Ranting on YouTube or TikTok might be a bad look, even if my views are all rigorous and accurate. The policy decisions of our elected officials are so stupid they often make me filled with apoplectic rage, so there would possibly be angry vitriolic ranting if I did try to make any videos going over current bad policy decisions and solutions to correct the problems. It’s probably better to stay quiet and try to live a private life at this point and continue to let our respectable leaders make horrible decisions while occasionally a mild boring economist makes bland commentary without any real policy suggestions or impact. We’re all going to likely be horribly impacted by climate change soon anyway, and there’s a certain seize the day nihilism that goes with that reality and the fact that large amounts of the population don’t understand the brutal cruelty of how exponents look on an x-y coordinate plan when you zoom out.
I don’t think I could somehow get Biden to do the 3 or 4 things he would need to do in order to win the election, and I hesitate to discuss them on here because Trump’s team could just make those points part of a plan and then it would make Biden’s situation worse. But Biden is on track to lose.
Trans people should be doing things like installing Briar. It’s that bad. Briar so they can communicate by bluetooth. They should be installing Graphene now, not later. These should be learning the obfuscation techniques practices in China by people trying to break past the great firewall. They are the new scary boogeyman and need to organize now and not once Trump is elected. Many trans people are incredibly smart and great at computers but they need to start planning now to be in a situation in which normal organization may be harder. If they are not in a trans friendly state now, they need to leave now, not later, or plan to leave before the election. This is not going to go well for trans people and it’s horrible to understand what will likely happen.
This is a good write up thanks.
What bothers me is that in his state of the union address he spent time talking about junk fees with Ticketmaster et. al. (which is a problem) yet never really touched on the bigger problem of housing costs. Nor is there any real push by his administration or the Democrats to address this issue any time soon. Like you I don’t know if this is intentional or ignorance due to his advisors.
It’s a frustrating place to be because I know that Trump gives even less of a shit about the “poors” and would make things even worse. So a large part of this country’s population will sit in the status quo for a minimum of 4 more years hoping that the next round of elections will bring in something new and progressive.
Trump lies constantly but he’s also very blunt and realistic about problems (as long as he can disclaim responsibility for their cause). Do you think Trump will avoid talking about this as it gets closer to election time? No, he’s going to be blunt and realistic and pragmatic sounding and Biden will come off as out of touch to the incredibly large base of quiet regular lower middle class and middle class people affected by this. Probably 40% of the vote will be won based on how people are feeling about this and Biden is responding to that by saying “Actually, you’re feelings about the economy are invalid because according to my policy wonks, the economic data is good.” It’s insulting and enraging to the people who are struggling. Many lower middle class and middle class people don’t care that much about abortion or trans issues or whether Trump is a pathological liar being paid by a foreign country to destabilize America. They just want to be able to pay their bills and not be so damned stressed out. Biden absolutely does not get it. This is also the fault of the officials surrounding Biden who should be doing a better job of addressing these problems. Biden is very old and generously ran against Trump out of kindness because he knew he’d be more likely to win. The people around him should be addressing this, the DC insiders and people he took with him into office, and no one addresses the problem or crafts policy. This is an easy win for Trump and he knows it, Trump is not stupid contrary to what many want to imply, he’s enormously intelligent and just mean at times and cruel towards many minorities, but Trump needs to do barely anything to win at this point. You don’t get into Wharton as an idiot, even if you come from money, so liberals who want to claim he’s stupid are doing themselves a disservice by underestimating Trump. Trump is greedy and corrupt and cruel and incredibly intelligent, and if you don’t get the fourth part you miss the threat. Trump also at times has good intentions and people sense that, which is also a threat because he doesn’t seem completely disingenuous. Biden’s campaign is like the Titanic in a field of icebergs and all Trump has to do is just wait. For Biden to win, he’d have to make a lot of changes which he should have done over a year ago, and based on the team around him that hasn’t dealt with the problems correctly, he’s probably not going to make the right choices on this. If he makes superficial meaningless gestures on this issues in a last minute hail mary pass, it’s not going to matter. Voters aren’t stupid. I wish I could write Biden or his team and tell them what they should do, but I’m some nobody. No one would care.
FWIW, the Biden administration is doing a decent amount of behind the scenes work on housing costs, both directly (funding low income housing) and indirectly (incentivising cities to change laws that decrease supply and prop up the local landlords). Some of the reasons (IMO) he doesn’t talk much about this are:
Is it stupid? Absolutely!
Is Biden doing enough on housing? Definitely not!
But a big chunk of what he is doing is flying under the radar, partially because they’re not advertising it and partially because it takes longer than just one presidential term for these kinds of projects to make it to fruition. The first development in my city that took advantage of Biden administration policies finally broke ground in September. The first actual affordable unit to come out of it will be available in 2025.
In the past, I have been a proponent of learning to cook. Meal prep can save you money, and it tastes better than mickey dee’s. I still believe this, but the bill at the grocery store is making it more and more difficult.
So now, I’ve been researching gardening and I hope i can save money by growing my own vegetables. I think there are ways to get it going without spending a ton of money. Especially by using reclaimed materials that are free or close to it.
The issue that concerns me is the amount of time it takes to get the compost pile going. There will be upfront costs if your soil is shit and needs to be amended. Which defeats the entire purpose of growing your own food.
It sorta feels like we’re fucked whichever direction we look.
I completely respect your points and opinions here. Trying to be a realist myself… I don’t see Trump doing shite to help the average American though economically. He’ll help big oil, wall street execs, and he’ll keep fueling the divide over social issues.
Let’s be real, trump doesn’t care about us and it’s worth reminding voters of that.
Great write up, professional commentators should quote your take.