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That’s very abstract and doesn’t mean much. With as many words you can say capitalism is based on scientific reasoning.

Just to understand what you are saying, do you say communists apply scientific reasoning?

Here are some properties of any conspiracy theory worth it’s name:

• Closed Ideological Systems: They provide an all-encompassing explanation for various events or states, with everything fitting into their worldview.
• Immunity to Facts: Any contrary evidence is dismissed as false or considered part of the conspiracy.
• Enemy Construction: They tend to draw a clear line between “us” (those who “know the truth”) and “them” (the supposed conspirators).
• Adaptability: Conspiracy narratives can change and incorporate new “evidence” or events to maintain their credibility.

It matches for QAnon and the MAGA crowd as well as the lemmygrad crowd.

Yes, there is all that. As I said, I think Netanyahu and his bunch belong in jail, not in power.

But even if this guy is out of the way, here’s a few more questions to consider:

• Do you agree that after Oct 7th, Israels strategy of building a wall and an “iron dome” must be considered totally failed?
• Do you agree that the Hamas can not be talked with?
• Do you agree that in addition to the Hamas, Israel is surrounded by militant groups that want to erase the state from the map?
• Do you agree that in the past no palestinean negotiator honestly considered a 2-state-solution?

What are, positively speaking, Israels options? What should a moderate follower of Netanyahu do to achieve some sort of piece? I’m lost here. Do you have any ideas other than saying “not this way”?

Really? What we have in the news these days is published by the conflict parties, independent verification is almost never possible.

To the leftist who is stunned by this message:

Think of Jordan Peterson. There was a time where he was riled up against “ideologies who would kill people in the name of a higher good.” And he named examples, Stalin and Mao most prominently. For all the abstract criticisms of ideologies, he rarely distances himself from Fascism, named Hitler only very occasionally as an example.

Now he is forethinker for the Republican Fascist party which is now normalizing the exact dehumanizing language that the Nazis used to prepared and justify their concentration camps.

Antifascists caught his thought patterns early on and warned of him using fascist arguments much more sensitive than most people, the missing distancing from Hitler along his other prominent examples being one of them.

Now, dear leftists, the mirror of this arguments wants to ask you if you are really only motivated by reducing human suffering and wanting peace. And if so, you cannot ignore the role of Hamas in this longtime ongoing conflict nor in this war. If you skip that, if that’s not in your mirror, it’s big time necessary to go outside your bubble. Because then chances are you are a puppet playing the propaganda trumpet for the Hamas, or otherwise playing in their hands.

Tedious as it may be, missing distance to a terrorist group like that in a conflict like that is a big red flag.

And just as a tedious albeit necessary disclaimer, I believe Netanyahu and quite a bunch of other Israeli actors belong in a courtroom and then in jail for their atrocities, and certainly not in power.

Circlejerk rather than shitpost.

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Diverse???

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Redditors, mostly

I thought so too until this week. These days I’m reconsidering. /c/all is as least as bad a shit hole with this unhinged hate on Jews as /r/all with their white supremacy fascism.

Just as the reactionary Republicans who accuse the democrats of all sorts of foul play that’s in their playbook, this whole comment looks to me like projection.

Using the population as shields, by hiding weapons and militants in hospitals and schools is what the Palestinian combatants have done for _years decades. Etc

You have a few points, the Israeli government has long been gone across any reasonable state of mind.

But the whole mindset you describe did not originate in Israel. This whole situation is waaay less one sided than you make it appear. And it changed significantly last weekend, initiated with a terror attack of unprecedented scale by the Hamas.

Ok, I guess then there is no logic to understand. I’ll stop trying. Have a good day.

Ok, so before 1918, the Ottomans had that piece of land for about 400 years. I guess that makes a turkish claim is older, and therefore stronger, by your logic, am I right?

Before that there was the Mamluks for 200 years, but that doesn’t seem an ethnicity that’s notable today, so let’s forget that.

Before that, the cruzaders had that land for 200 years, I suppose that means Europe also has an older claim.

Before that, Arabs for 400 years, so I see we’re back to their claim.

But hold on, before that, it was Roman territory for a whopping 700 years. That’s notable. Italia has a really good claim, I’d say.

But even before, there were the Jews there, and for close to a thousand years. So, following your logic the state Israel has all right to be there.

Before that there also lived people, of course, but it’s hard to pinpoint those to ethnicity. Egypt was there shortly. That’s an older claim even, but not very long.

Hmm. Are now all those people justified in killing innocents on some grounds that hasn’t been “theirs” for generations?

Oh really? Then we’d have war everywhere. There is no place on earth that was not at some point taken by force by this or that group of people.

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Again, what’s the justification for killing innocents? Because they walk on land that another claims theirs? That sort of thinking always and everywhere only led to war and war crimes.

As for the Israelis, for those who live there, it’s their home, for many going back three generations. In many cases those ancestors took it it legally under ottoman law. I find that 24-undisputed-hour-rule questionable myself, but your story doesn’t hold up legally in many cases, nor historical. Everyone’s ancestors lived someplace. That doesn’t automatically make that place theirs.

Pointing to an old map and claiming the territory that another currently occupies never leads to peace.

Now you named one factor that explains this mess, and no objection here. But I’m still missing the answer how killing innocents can be justified.

It seems to me that you think that every person that lives in Israel is responsible for everything that the Israeli government did over the years.

How is that any different from this weeks retaliation that this Israel government hands out over the massacres of citizens by hamas from last weekend?

I understand. you list here injustice that when experienced are beyond words.

Now tell me: in what cases does is the punishment of innocents justified?

I was equating killing innocents with killing innocents, nothing else.

You are justifying mass punishment with …something about your daughter, and with that exposing exactly the attitude that keeps the region in a never ending cycle of death.