With respect for your writing, I couldn’t understand the argument against meeting people where they’re at. The wife approval factor is the tongue in cheek official benchmark for acceptance. It’s gentle wisdom that can be applied to all potential users, and I understand it to mean compromise is always needed unless your partner is also a FOSS advocate.

I love free software, but I come to it almost purely from a privacy perspective. And if privacy is the main goal, there is commercial software that doesn’t care about vacuuming up consumer data. So for some, including me, it’s only a question of risk - tolerance, appetite, and mitigation.

Admittedly I think I don’t yet understand the free software movement. My journey began with docker and self hosting some alternatives to big commercial software. There’s probably more need to explore why meeting users where they’re at is a good rule. Me as an example, I may have overlapping interests with free software but my motivations are different. Therefore the fundamental need for me to use a libre alternative to discord just isn’t there. That’s not to say I wouldn’t be able to appreciate libre more as I interacted with the software and community (regardless of the platform theyre talking on).

Companies capitalizing on convenience is not new. If you want to go to the ultimate end of the spectrum where you don’t need to give up any info to a third party, open source applications have you covered. Firefly iii, Actual Budget to name two with existing bank integrations.

It comes down to your personal risk tolerance and appetite. If you have no tolerance, don’t take the risk and stick with your convictions instead of grumbling that you had to give your bank statements to download a scammy Tetris app.

I have very little faith in some random tech limited liability to be able to pay up if something bad happens. That’s not to say I’m super confident in the banks either, just that they have way more money, are pressed hard to do infosec and have government backing if and when shit hits the fan.

Agreed, peering behind the veil of any organization will probably result in a loss of confidence. And to be fair, I do have concerns about this ultimately being 100% private and secure, but I’m mindful that perfection shouldnt be the enemy of progress. I have confidence that there is a relatively safe way to implement this. We’re not the first in the world to do it, and thankfully we can look to other jurisdictions to see where the risks are.

Now that I think about it, I bet the big five have probably made sure the conditions are as onerous as possible in order to reduce any actual competition as much as possible. :D

They’ll undoubtedly speak with banks when the legislation passes and regulations are being drafted, and a part of me hopes that the big dinosaur institutions we have realize deep down that they need to enter the modern world.

Banks are competition in the sense that they have competing interests, but not in the sense that are offering a comparable product. If my bank was actually interested in building an app that would help me wrangle and take control of my spending habits, they would have already built it with a couple devs like all these other apps popping up.

The problem is Plaid et al are forced to scrape webpages because banks dont offer an alternative. Banks currently hold the user liable for sharing their password if theres a breach, but this new open banking legislation will shift that liability to plaid/third parties.

I get that this doesnt matter for a lot of people, but i specifically chose my bank because it had close ties with Plaid (API aggregator) - the closest we currently have to open banking. To me, it just seems so fundamentally simple to be able to offer a way to export your own transaction information to whoever you agree to share it with. Boggles my mind that we dont have this already.

In Canada, the thing that makes people hesitate is around where liability sits when sharing your account details. Right now, because i’m sharing my credentials with Plaid some banks would refuse to reimburse you if you were subsequently hacked - regardless of the leak source. When open banking legislation comes into effect, this liability will be shifted to the data brokers (plaid), and potentially also the thrid party applications that do things with your financial data.