It´s not unsupported since I gave two examples. Stop trolling.

I am not going to rewatch the worst NuTrek show just so I can tell you what exact episodes that were. If you want to know, rewatch that crap yourself. Also, blocked for trolling.

It should be clear to any reasonable person that I have no need whatsoever to apologize to strangers on the internet for having my own opinion. The way you take yourself way too seriously sounds pretty megalomaniacal. Also, banned for trolling.

I just gave two examples, stop the trolling or get blocked …

Troll

You are of course entitled to your opinion. However, you should know that you are not in a position where your opinion could concern me in the slightest.

Sorry, I am discussing with too many people simultaneously already and I got tired of it. Please just read my several other comments in this thread where all my points have been made. Apologies.

Sorry, you certainly have many good points. However, I am getting tired from replying to too many answers by too many people at this point, so I don´t have the energy to write you an adequate answer to your well written argument. Apologies.

You intentionally don´t understand the most simple arguments and just keep asking me to put in more argumentative work while all you do is dismissing my points independently of their validity. I am tired of talking to you and consider you a troll, who I will ignore from now on.

I am getting too many replies now to write a full fledged answer to each, sorry. I just want to tell you that you should keep in mind that you don´t actually know me personally, that I was friends with gay dudes 30 years ago already and that you should maybe try to be less judgemental. The new stuff does not make me uncomfortable. It simply annoys me that in NuTrek cheap virtue signalling and queer baiting took the place of good sci-fi storytelling. I am fine with it if you perceive that differently though. Enjoy your favorite Star trek shows, I for myself will enjoy my DS9 rewatch.

Yup, exactly my point.

One example would be the gender identities of Adira and Grey. Instead of just presenting it as a background detail and totally natural thing that there are NB/Trans characters on the crew (as it definitely should be in a modern Star Trek setting imo), there is a huge spotlight on their gender identities in the main plot and there is even a 2020 style pronoun talk, which feels extremely unfitting for a scenario so far in the future, when there should not be a need to discuss such things.

Then there is the presentation of Stamets and Culber, which is often more focused on their gay relationship than on their professional work as crew members, which similarly to how Adira and Gray are presented, feels like cheap queer baiting.

for real though you won’t ever get an actual example from the show from these guys

Uhm, my comment just below this one? cough cough

Also:

scene in the first season where two men brushed their teeth SIDE BY SIDE

It´s shown as normal there are no pep talks and there is no crying but I start to think that you will never get those nuances.

In the past, the story was the focus, and the wokeness was an addition to it. Now, the woke seems to be the focus, and it’s at the expense of the storytelling.

It should primarily be a science fiction show, not a morality lecture.

You nailed it there! Thanks for the support, I appreciate it <3

Hey look, a person who missed my point entirely.

You bring up some interesting points.

TOS put a diverse cast front and center on the screen, including folks hailing from nations that were currently/recently enemies of the USA at the time

Yes and they had that diverse crew naturally work together as a team of professionals without loosing a word about it, instead of constantly reassuring each other and the viewer in dramatic pep talks with a lot of crying. That is exactly the understated wokeness I miss in NuTrek and appreciate in classic Trek.

Geordi turned the concept of what it meant to be ‘disabled’ on its head felt really pointed.

Agreed but that worked so well because Geordi being a full member of the crew was presented as completely normal. There are no tearful pep talks to reassure Geordi that he’s a full fledged member of the crew. That would have been unnecessary, because it’s shown as just natural that he was. Another example of the understated, smart wokeness in classic Trek. This is the opposite of NuTrek wokeness, which constantly gets overstated and rubbed in the viewers face, like the viewer would be a mentally challenged bigot, who could not grasp the concepts of tolerance an humanism on their own.

Trek has always been woke but the woke messages in classic Trek were embedded in good stories so it felt smart and natural. That is why fans of classic Trek embrace the way it is woke. Discovery on the other hand constantly puts the woke element in the center, points three spotlights on it and then paints it neon until there is no more room left for a good story and mature viewers feel treated like they were idiots. It is sad how younger fans seem to be unable to perceive this significant difference and accuse people who do of bigotry.

He did but you obviously did not understand.

Yes but the woke messages were embedded in good stories so it felt smart and natural. That is why fans of classic Trek embrace the way it is woke. Discovery on the other hand constantly puts the woke element in the center, points three spotlights on it and then paints it neon, so there is just no more room left for good stories and mature viewers feel treated like they were idiots. It´s sad how younger fans seem to be unable to perceive this significant difference.