Both equally insufferable, but NFT son is more consequentially risky.

I also discount your political takes because it has lead us to doom.

OK, so you are saying the world started out “broken”? I guess it’d be best if a vacuum decay event just instantly wiped out humanity at the cradle in that case.

I don’t view Harris as a fascist and I more or less agree with Womble.

That’s not what I said. I had a strategy, it was to put my energy into an election outcome that would prevent the fascist from winning. I don’t view Kamala Harris as a fascist like you seem to, shes at worst a typical neo-liberal. I’d rather fight against a neo-liberal than a fascist. She lost, and all available non-passive options are now awful and I am not motivated to do much other than openly hate almost everyone even slightly responsible in this outcome.

Available strategies now include: Hunker down and survive an indeterminate number of years, flee the country, or die in a doomed rebellion. All knowing the earth is cooked at every corner anyway so who gives a flying fuck.

I’m not doing that last strategy, you can have fun getting shot in the street by fascists if you want. I’m going to just try my best to not die.

Yes you do. You support him via advocating for a completely ass backwards promotion of third party voting.

If a third party is to be even remotely viable in FPTP, you don’t fucking start with the presidency.

You can’t magically drum up sufficient support for a candidate to win the fucking presidency with zero/near zero seats in congress or the senate.

Having a strategy doesn’t guarantee ideal outcomes. It also clearly doesn’t guarantee you avoid the worst ones either. We were never inevitably going to the promised land. The key was to maximize good and minimize bad. We’ve maximized bad.

It doesn’t matter that much anymore. I’m not advocating we continue any strategy because I think we’re doomed now. We’re on a sinking ship and you are arguing over whether we can swim across the entire ocean to safety.

The new goal is to not die due to a fascist take over the United States. A lot of us are about to fail that. Maybe me, maybe you. We’ll see in 4 years.

No its not. That doesn’t even make any sense. Moral compromise has been a constant of human civilization.

They weren’t completely ignored by Harris. She could have done a lot more (in particular to distance herself from Biden), but she did try to appeal to them at least once.

The problem is that even doing that wasn’t going to help much because the propaganda campaign to paint her as the pro-genocide candidate was already floating around enough that low information tik tok voters were likely nudged primarily against her.

Regardless, if my family was being butchered in that situation IDK how I’d react but I know the rational decision was still to prevent the fascist that actively hates Palestinians from winning.

But obviously voters are not rational.

All leftists absolutely did not all vote for Harris. I’ve literally seen “A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide” propaganda spread around with posters/banners. And that shit almost certainly moved fence sitters.

We can blame multiple groups at the same time. Its just left accelerationists and protest voters/non-voters are legitimately stupid and evil and yet are more likely to start arguments on Lemmy because they’re self righteous and think they actually have the big brains or whatever.

Neolibs/Centrists think they’ll be fine and are going to get the bag regardless (thinking the fascists wont come for them) and the apolitical types don’t even want to engage because they’re not paying attention anyway nor want to. They don’t engage.

The blame is equal. Its just it gets louder between left leaning people because of the frustration.

And now the genocide will get worse.

We had multiple non-Trump candidates

Do you understand how first past the post works?

“trying to make a better world”

What the fuck are you talking about how is Trump winning enabling us to make a better world? Its done the fucking opposite. Are you actually this delusional?

Virtue doesn’t matter. Consequences do.

Human society owes the individual human everything. Every individual. Especially a society that has any pronatalist inclinations.

Otherwise, what’s the point of continuing human society at all? Why birth new sentient beings on the expectation that they be the one’s to work all their life and suffer for a future that is constantly out of reach? To make humanity great? Why? No one consents to being born.

Your focus on my personal privilege and selfishness is myopic and indicates an unwillingness to engage with my points. Its an attack on my character and I earnestly don’t care if you think I’m a piece of shit. I want you to be better than me. I want you to face reality or explain to me why I am actually wrong.

But I don’t want her to fail. I want to be wrong, desperately. I legitimately want to feel fucking stupid about being doomer in 4 years.

I’ll probably try to help in non-risky ways at best but I think I might be pretty useless anyway. Being an atheist and terrified of death/non-existence yet also resenting having been born doesn’t tend to make one particularly productive in meaningfully resisting death cult nazi’s.

I don’t know if I’m capable of being productive. I’m having a mental breakdown.

Staying silent is exhausting.

White, yes. Bisexual though. AMAB, but honestly IDK what my gender is. I just go by he/him for convenience though.

Significantly Autistic. Negative net worth from the expense of a nearly worthless college degree. Live in a red state rural American wasteland. Terrified of death yet still with suicidal idealization as of late.

But honestly none of this matters. Concern over Identity is all virtue ethics. I don’t care about virtue ethics. My identity doesn’t intrinsically matter outside the consequences of it. Whether I’m correct matters. Consequences matter. Or at least, mattered.

I owe you literally nothing. I owe the world literally nothing. I could just off myself out of spite and I’d be 100% in the right because I literally did not choose to be born, no individual chooses to be born.

That said, I earnestly wanted the world to be better. I used to have a small sliver of hope for that. My resentment toward politics comes from seemingly having to swim up a fucking waterfall while people who ought to have been my allies hold my ankles.

Human beings are dying everyday in horribly unjust ways, not just Palestinians, and Palestinians are going to be worse off under Trump. If you disagree with the latter point you are delusional and we don’t need to talk anymore.

I wanted to minimize death and suffering. Harris objectively would have caused less than Trump. That’s it.