Worthless asshole just gave him the election.
He should’ve practiced more
When he yells “fight”, what does he mean to fight for? Fight against freedom? I wonder the same thing when it comes to Qbert and Empty-G. Fight? What are they fighting for, exactly? More tax cuts for billionaires? More special privileges for xtians?
I was told today that someone we know is going to vote for donnie - because “economy”. What. The. Actual. Fuck. They said that the economy was better under donnie. I just can’t even. And this is someone that will be a target under fascist rule.
Their potato chips and beer have gone up a lot in the past few years, therefore we were in the economic golden age under Trump. Life is pretty simple for some people.
Yeah, I see that all the time for people that don’t even have to think about being targets - read: xtian white cishet males that are cons…this was someone that would definitely be in the crosshairs of the Project 2025 types. Repeating Bullshit Mountain style propaganda about “the economy”.
The economy won’t mean shit if you are a political prisoner or made a second class citizen…or even worse.
A lot of deep haters here in the comments. Trump derangement syndrome is live and well in many coddled minds. I was a Trump fan back then but I realized that Trump was not getting anything done as president that Trump campaigned on during 2016 and ever since then, was no longer a fan and was quite dissapointed. Came to realize Trump was an egomaniac at best.
However I do not wish for voilence. I do not see him as a good option as president in 2024 due to his track record of getting nothing done during his first term. However for lefties to hate Trump because “The TV told me so” and being spoon fed with the opinion that “Trump is the next Hitler” is such mental gymastics. Look lefties, Trump is not a threat to your woke agenda, he did not drain the swamp in 2017, he hired the swamp. I am sure if he wins in 2024, he will hire the swamp in 2025 again and it will just be four years of fuck all nothing.
Chill the fuck out.
Ugh. Why can’t we just get one win?
He got shot and he says “let me get my shoes” wtf? Didn’t he notice that somebody (supposedly) wanted him dead?
Tbh that’s the most characteristic thing about Trump. Saying things so outrageously stupid, so far outside common sense and so detached from reality that people end up thinking about them more than they should.
Biden’s official statement:
He’s in a video conference now.
"I have been briefed on the shooting at Donald Trump’s rally in Pennsylvania.
I’m grateful to hear that he’s safe and doing well. I’m praying for him and his family and for all those who were at the rally, as we await further information.
Jill and I are grateful to the Secret Service for getting him to safety. There’s no place for this kind of violence in America. We must unite as one nation to condemn it."
You know what’s sad about this?
If the roles were reversed, Trump would be offering the shooter a posthumous pardon and probably a medal. And no, I’m not joking. Trump would never be seen giving someone else the respect he demands from others.
I want Dark Brandon in the next debate “Let me say it again, in your good ear this time…”
Oh god please let this happen
Exactly right.
Which is why Trump hasn’t answered Bidens call…
Has me wondering if this was an attempt to start a race war, like a bunch of past mass shootings, attempts to knock out power by shooting transformers, etc.
Who knows. Someone that would take it upon themselves to do something like this could have all kinds of flawed thought processes, as well as mental illness.
I mean, the Republicans have a habit of constantly casting each other out for various forms of apostasy, real or imagined, and declaring the apostate a “RINO”. With the way they talk about non-Republicans, that unperson is then a lower lifeform not worthy of empathy…if that’s the kind of thing that led to this, it wouldn’t be that surprising, I guess. I mean, look at how they view Liz Cheney. Liz. Cheney.
FYI: The article is paywalled
Also, there is no indication anywhere in this article what the shooters political leanings may have been. I’m not saying you are wrong. I just don’t see that information here anywhere.
“The FBI identified Thomas Matthew Crooks, 20, of Bethel Park, Pa., as the suspected shooter at former president Donald Trump’s rally. The FBI, which called the attack an assassination attempt, said it was trying to determine his motive and asked the public to come forward with anything they know about Crooks. The shooter was killed. Crooks was a registered Republican, according to the state’s voter status records.”
It requires registration, not payment. And it clearly says he is a registered republican.
My bad, I do see that it is referenced further down. I didn’t scroll that far initially. Deleted my initial comment.
Are we placing bets on this being entirely staged?
Yes it’s stage. Because we all know. If you going to staged an assassination. You do a head shot. 🤦♂️
It’s pretty easy to cut your ear and get blood. They do it in wrestling all time.
Violence begets violence, and Trump is responsible for no shortage of violence. Is this for the violence of Jan 6, or the violence against the women in his life, or some other time? I want to find out.
Damn this is worst case dude is going to be made a maytr for this bs.
If only he were a martyr from this, but he survived. You have to die to be a martyr.
That distinction won’t matter to him or his followers.
Stop saying “he’ll be a martyr.”
This gets touted any time any consequence could come to him. Saying this makes it a lose lose situation. Either we let him get away and do whatever or “he’s a martyr.” No. He reaps whatever consequences come to him for his actions. It shouldn’t come as an assassination, but he has to have some consequence for what he does.
He’ll make himself into one if they’re not fast enough.
His base will embrace it. The question is will the center. I know I am not, as a centrist. But I only speak for myself.
I think you’ll find the polls tomorrow the same as the polls today.
Lots of people seem keen to jump to this being staged. That makes zero sense: Trump was already winning before this, especially with Biden (his preferred opponent) looking to hang on to the nomination.
Trump was already winning before this
Do you just not understand how elections work? You don’t “win” before votes are cast.
winning in the court of public opinion
Which public? That’s their point. It’s a snapshot of people that do enter polls. I’m too fuckin busy to take time out of my day for that. But I will vote.
the republican voters, obviously.
Are you being wilfully pedantic, or do you not know that it’s possible to tell someone is ahead in a contest?
Polls are worthless now and response rates are too low to matter.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-can-election-2024-polls-really-tell-us/
Or, is this just your gut talking?
Polls have significant predictive power, especially when you poll reportedly and/or aggregate them. Which is why all political campaigns, R or D, spend literally millions running their own polling. Moreover, it’s now July, the first convention is literally coming up within days, so the excuse of being “far out from the election” no longer holds.
Totally agree with your last statement. I think I was just saying we’ll have to wait and see how this turns out.
conspiracy theorist in me sees several venues where it is Very beneficial to POTUS45 to stage this:
- finally come out as victim
- frame Biden/CIA/FBI as villains
- come out as “defiant” hero and rally support to the point where it’s a landslide win, where he would be able to go after anybody and anything he doesn’t like.
more wicked stuff comes to mind but I think above is sufficient . Fact that bullet grazed him and nobody around him in a tight setting is kind of strange, with his bravado on display with fist shaking. One can only dream for this election campaign video to be run on repe 24/7 on fox and other outlets, giving him more air time, and now that Biden asked everyone to read project2025 entire nation will be watching nothing but POTUS45. Still could be some morron that didn’t get his signature at the rally pulling out his Beretta…
Witness statement was that another attendee was shot in the head and killed and a 2nd in the forearm and hand.
sounds like, indeed bystanders been hit according to latest information. I still believe that POTUS45 would be OK sacrificing any number of people as long as it gets him power. No evidence of his involvement but entire story “smells”
New York Post is the first to identify the shooter. Not linking it here because, well, New York Post… but it is being floated out there on non-social media.
Edit CNN is speaking to Evan Perez, Senior US Justice Department Correspondant, confirming the information first reported by the New York Post.
Also on Reuters:
NBC:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-rally-shooter-identified-rcna161757
TBF, an earlier version of a New York Post story mentioned it was thought to be a BB gun, so…
Yeah, BB guns don’t go 150 yards.
Keep in mind, this was something put up on New York Post very shortly after, so…in addition to being the New York Post, it’s also one of those cases where early information is wildly incorrect.
This should seal the deal on Biden dropping out of the race. His odds of winning already weren’t good, and now he’s completely lost control of the popular narrative.
The assassination attempt will be all everyone’s talking about until something extremely big replaces it. The only possible story that can shift people’s focus is Biden’s deeply patriotic decision to sacrifice his second term for the good of the country.
Devise a framework where negative ads are not allowed, and debates are civil and informative to the public. Find the best candidate the old fashioned way.
seriously, at this point the Democrats have got to do something bold. the combined trajectories of this election and the country are not promising.
Exactly. Trump threw out the playbook and won. Biden got by with old politics and won, but it’s not going to happen again. Not after today.
The Democrats need to finally establish a cohesive identity. Introduce someone who can tell you what voting Democrat will deliver for your family.
And maybe please involve James Carville in the process. He consistently has his finger on the pulse of economic issues, which are what actually matter right now for “swing voters.”
NYT photographer got the photo of the bullet, it seems that TMZ’s reporting that it was glass from the teleprompter is not correct:
https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1812293722832318726
That isolated tweet with the pic doesn’t claim to be from NYT or a NYT photographer. I’ve never heard of this “spectator index”. Here is the AP collection of photos from the event.
If I do assume that’s a bullet, let’s test if the size of the streak makes sense. A bullet travels at about 750m/s. That streak (using Trump’s head for scale) is about 50cm long, or 1/2 meter. A 750 m/s bullet travels 1/2 meter in 1/1500 seconds. When you consider projection effects (we might not be looking with a line-of-sight perpendicular to the bullet’s trajectory), we expect the length and time used in my above calculations to be lower bounds, with the true answer probably being within about a factor of 3 of that bound. This means that this image only makes sense as a bullet if the shutter speed is between 1/1500 and 1/500 seconds. That lines up with this website’s recommendation of 1/1000 second exposure time for bright outdoor shots.
Either a very good fake that considered the kinematics, or this is a real image of the bullet.
Thanks! With the information in the article you just linked, I am now very suspicious that this is a picture of the bullet, where I previously thought it was plausible from my low-precision estimate. From the article:
“If the gunman was firing an AR-15-style rifle, the .223-caliber or 5.56-millimeter bullets they use travel at roughly 3,200 feet per second when they leave the weapon’s muzzle,’’ Mr. Harrigan said. “And with a 1/8,000th of a second shutter speed, this would allow the bullet to travel approximately four-tenths of a foot while the shutter is open.”
Same procedure, but an AR-15 shoots a bullet faster than the speed for a generic bullet that I used, and the shutter speed was faster because it was a fancy NYT camera. 3200ft/s is almost exactly 1000m/s. The 1/8000s shutter speed is the fact that seems the most reliable, assuming that the photographer knew what setting their camera was on.
What I disagree with is that that streak is only 0.4 feet long. The average size of a human male head (brow to back of head) is about 20cm, or 8in per this image from Wikipedia. The streak from the bullet in the image is about twice the size of Trump’s head, or 40cm/16in. Due to projection effects, this is a lower bound on the path of the bullet during the 1/8000s exposure. This puts a lower bound on the speed of 3200m/s. This is over three times the velocity of an AR-15, at minimum. Either this was some super-high-powered rifle to fire the bullet that fast, the shutter speed is misquoted (or a misleading representation of the exposure time), or this isn’t picture of the bullet.
Thanks for providing the data to make me suspicious that this is an image of the bullet.
assuming that the photographer knew what setting their camera was on
The photographer would definitely know even if the camera was in a mode that selects the shutter speed automatically because it’s embedded in the image file’s metadata, which is shown in software used for image processing.
Note publishing and social media platforms usually strip metadata from images.
3200ft/s is muzzle velocity, that’s going to drop over the distance.
Plus the velocity depends on how hot the load is. An AR-15 can be as high as 3,200, but it can alao be lower.
https://www.spartanarmorsystems.com/understanding-bullet-speed-how-distance-affects-armor
Right, all more reasons the streak in the image is too fast to be an AR bullet.
What also doesn’t make sense is, if you roughly line up his arm position in the three stills vs going frame by frame in the video/audio playback captured by the various news outlets, he raises his hand to his ear nearly 2/3rds a second after the audio recorded first shot, which, given bullet velocity and distance traveled was probably nearly a full second after the first shot (so a super slow reaction time, which normal nervous system reaction time is .150-.300/sec), since you’ll hear (and audio record) the shot roughly 5 frames after it’s passed by. He starts to lift his hand off the podium at nearly the same time the second shot estimates to be fired, and maybe 3-4 frames before the first posted NYT pic catches the bullet supposedly whizzing by.
drop over the distance
Very true, but it was only 300".
Well that certainly blows up any argument it was staged. You don’t fake shoot a real bullet past your fake targets head.
Dammit! So close!
Trump is just a symptom. There’s even more deranged people coming up behind him.
A symptom ppl rally behind. Gop will hopefully tear itself apart more if he was out of picture.
Who cares? I’m perfectly fine treating the symptoms until we can develop a proper course of treatment.
That doesn’t make it ok. It also is even more of a reason to stop him.
